Notre Dame #9 in BCS Standings

[bmf175]

I'll end with this.

We all see the flaws that you see. Those flaws keep this team from being a championship caliber team. But there aren't many teams out there without flaws. Most of the BCS field will have flaws.

And I don't believe that as you say half of us are willing to admit that ND doesn't deserve a BCS bid. In fact, if the Irish finish 11-1, they are without a doubt BCS worthy by every definition of BCS worthy, including the polls and the numbers. How could an 11-1 team that plays a top 20 schedule NOT be picked for the BCS?

However, if the Irish go out to LA and lose. I'll be the first to admit it's Gator Bowl time.

As for rankings, you can't find one post from me complaining about the rankings. Or Mark May or anybody at ESPN, etc. My stance there is win out and the rankings take care of themselves. Once the title shot is gone (and it is) I just want to see the highest ranking possible. But that has to be earned by winning. Which they have done every game so far since losing the title shot.

It will all play out. If ND is overrated, it will show in LA. If not, we'll see it in the BCS.

I still think ND can beat Florida. And I've given many a reason why.

Well if they win in LA I will think they are better than I give them credit for. But even if they do They will not be able to hang with the above mentioned teams.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Hilarious here we go again. For some reason ND is soo high and mighty.

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? Because I said I wanted to see ND play the best team available as compared to where we finish in the rankings? Nice leap of logic.

This has to be the only turn off I have found in being a ND fan.

Oh boy....

You guys are giving me a hard time for saying ND is not a Top 5 team.

We did? Where? I'm giving you a hard time for moaning about how we're overrated. I'd be surprised if you could find a post by me whining that ND isn't in the top 5.

Well you also cant say they are at #2 because they beat us.

I don't know it for a fact but I bet they made their biggest jump in the polls after beating ND....right? What other victory can they point to as the reason why they're ranked so high?

Well I was curious, so I had a look.....they jumped from 13 to 6 in the coaches poll (11 to 5 in the AP) after beating ND. You're right....beating ND had nothing to do with where they're ranked now.

 

[bmf175]

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? Because I said I wanted to see ND play the best team available as compared to where we finish in the rankings? Nice leap of logic.

Get over yourself you think ND is soo high and mighty and too good to play an "average" team in a bowl game. Have you ever considered we just may be an "average" team this year. There is really nothing too great about this TEAM. Get off your soap box nothing worse than a psuedo forum philosopher.

I don't know it for a fact but I bet they made their biggest jump in the polls after beating ND....right? What other victory can they point to as the reason why they're ranked so high?.

So who the hell did we beat that we are ranked 9th in the country???

Well I was curious, so I had a look.....they jumped from 13 to 6 in the coaches poll (11 to 5 in the AP) after beating ND. You're right....beating ND had nothing to do with where they're ranked now.

Oh but we are in the top 10 because we beat who?

 

[tedwick]

Well, we've beaten these teams with winning records: Navy (6-3), Penn State (6-4), Georgia Tech (7-2), and Purdue (6-4).
1 Legit, 3 questionable
(I'm counting 6 wins and under questionable)

3 less than OSU: PSU, Purdue, Iowa, Texas, Cincy, Indiana and NIU
1 Legit, 6 (!?) Questionable

1 less than Michigan: CMU(!?), ND, Wisconsin, Iowa, and PSU
they've beaten only one more winning team than ND, one of them BEING ND.
2 Legit (ND, UW), 3 Questionable

One less than Texas: Sam Houston St. (!?), Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma.
Sam Houston St. is I-AA, so it doesn't count.
2 Legit, 2 Questionable

2 Less than Louisville (!?): Kentucky, Miami, Kansas State, Middle Tennessee St. (!?), Cincy, and West Virginia
1 Legit, 5 Questionable

1 less than Auburn: Washington St., LSU, SCar, UF, Ark. St.
2 Legit, 3 Questionable

2 less than Florida: SoMiss, TN, Kentucky, Bama, Georgia, and LSU
2 Legit, 4 Questionable

1 less than USC: Arkansas, Nebraska, Arizona (!?), Washington St., AzSt.
2 Legit, 3 Questionable

Same number as Cal: AzSt., OregonSt., Oregon, WashSt.
1 Legit, 3 Questionable

I figure the 6 win bar to be pretty reasonable. If anything, it hurts ND with analysis this way because there are teams here that have beaten 5-4 teams. If we counted 6 wins as legit, then ND would look a lot better compared to some of these teams.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say here, is that very few teams here should be in the top 10 because they've beaten impressive opponents. Teams with 2 legit wins should be there. Teams with 1 legit win aren't there because of their schedule. They're there because of their record: 7-1 or 8-0 in the case of louisville, ND, Cal, and OSU.

I'm not saying that ND's schedule is harder than anyone elses, although it is probably comparable to Cal's. I'm just saying that ND is 7-1, and is rewarded as such by having a comparable schedule to other top teams. They're a top 10 team. I don't know who you would put in front of them.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Get over yourself you think ND is soo high and mighty and too good to play an "average" team in a bowl game. Have you ever considered we just may be an "average" team this year. There is really nothing too great about this TEAM. Get off your soap box nothing worse than a psuedo forum philosopher.

Jesus, you're thick....I have never said ND should play the #1 or #2 team, only that we should play one ranked near us.....unlike the pussies on this board that would rather see us play someone well below us because they think it gives us a better chance of a sure win.

So who the hell did we beat that we are ranked 9th in the country???

Oh but we are in the top 10 because we beat who?

Way to avoid answering the question about Michigan.....not once, but twice!

 

[bmf175]

Jesus, you're thick....I have never said ND should play the #1 or #2 team, only that we should play one ranked near us.....unlike the pussies on this board that would rather see us play someone well below us because they think it gives us a better chance of a sure win.

Im not the only one because nobody is saying we should play a team "below" (again ND high and mighty attitude) us we are saying we should not be put into a game with a better team just based on our school name. We are not saying we should play a weak team just one that is at our level.

And whats with the hostility and name calling you are really letting your maturity level show.

Way to avoid answering the question about Michigan.....not once, but twice!

Way to avoid answering the question about ND!

 

[bmf175]

Well, we've beaten these teams with winning records: Navy (6-3), Penn State (6-4), Georgia Tech (7-2), and Purdue (6-4).
1 Legit, 3 questionable
(I'm counting 6 wins and under questionable)

3 less than OSU: PSU, Purdue, Iowa, Texas, Cincy, Indiana and NIU
1 Legit, 6 (!?) Questionable

1 less than Michigan: CMU(!?), ND, Wisconsin, Iowa, and PSU
they've beaten only one more winning team than ND, one of them BEING ND.
2 Legit (ND, UW), 3 Questionable

One less than Texas: Sam Houston St. (!?), Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma.
Sam Houston St. is I-AA, so it doesn't count.
2 Legit, 2 Questionable

2 Less than Louisville (!?): Kentucky, Miami, Kansas State, Middle Tennessee St. (!?), Cincy, and West Virginia
1 Legit, 5 Questionable

1 less than Auburn: Washington St., LSU, SCar, UF, Ark. St.
2 Legit, 3 Questionable

2 less than Florida: SoMiss, TN, Kentucky, Bama, Georgia, and LSU
2 Legit, 4 Questionable

1 less than USC: Arkansas, Nebraska, Arizona (!?), Washington St., AzSt.
2 Legit, 3 Questionable

Same number as Cal: AzSt., OregonSt., Oregon, WashSt.
1 Legit, 3 Questionable

I figure the 6 win bar to be pretty reasonable. If anything, it hurts ND with analysis this way because there are teams here that have beaten 5-4 teams. If we counted 6 wins as legit, then ND would look a lot better compared to some of these teams.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say here, is that very few teams here should be in the top 10 because they've beaten impressive opponents. Teams with 2 legit wins should be there. Teams with 1 legit win aren't there because of their schedule. They're there because of their record: 7-1 or 8-0 in the case of louisville, ND, Cal, and OSU.

I'm not saying that ND's schedule is harder than anyone elses, although it is probably comparable to Cal's. I'm just saying that ND is 7-1, and is rewarded as such by having a comparable schedule to other top teams. They're a top 10 team. I don't know who you would put in front of them.

Impressive research. Your right the work doesnt really make ND look any better than anybody else.I would be concerned with some of the teams we have beaten you have listed as questionable. Navy isnt impressive, and Purdue isnt either. And not to take away from GT but the ACC is having a very down year. But we can only play who is on the schedule as they can only play who is on their schedule.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Im not the only one because nobody is saying we should play a team "below" (again ND high and mighty attitude) us we are saying we should not be put into a game with a better team just based on our school name. We are not saying we should play a weak team just one that is at our level.

BS....people here plain out said we should play a lesser/easier opponent to ensure we win a bowl.

And stick your high and mighty comments up your ass...there's nothing high or mighty about wanting to play a similarly ranked team. Using the word "below" makes it high and mighty? Well, sorry to burst your bubble there pal, but as long as teams are ranked numerically, there will always be an above and a below. If that fits high and mighty according to your definition, I think you need a dictionary.

Way to avoid answering the question about ND!

Go back and check the thread friend, you were the first to skirt my question. I directly addressed your whine that beating ND had nothing to do with UM's ranking. I pointed out exactly how much UM benefited (and not wrongly so), which you conveniently ignored (and still do).

 

[bmf175]

BS....people here plain out said we should play a lesser/easier opponent to ensure we win a bowl.

And stick your high and mighty comments up your ass...there's nothing high or mighty about wanting to play a similarly ranked team. Using the word "below" makes it high and mighty? Well, sorry to burst your bubble there pal, but as long as teams are ranked numerically, there will always be an above and a below. If that fits high and mighty according to your definition, I think you need a dictionary.


Go back and check the thread friend, you were the first to skirt my question. I directly addressed your whine that beating ND had nothing to do with UM's ranking. I pointed out exactly how much UM benefited (and not wrongly so), which you conveniently ignored (and still do).

Youre an idiot, this thread is going nowhere.

 

[TexasDomer]

Fellas,

Let's chill out. We're on the same side, guys.

 

[bmf175]

Fellas,

Let's chill out. We're on the same side, guys.

Agreed

 

[tedwick]

Impressive research. Your right the work doesnt really make ND look any better than anybody else.I would be concerned with some of the teams we have beaten you have listed as questionable. Navy isnt impressive, and Purdue isnt either. And not to take away from GT but the ACC is having a very down year. But we can only play who is on the schedule as they can only play who is on their schedule.

Well, someone asked the question "Who have we beat that puts us in the top 10". So I looked at who ND and everyone above them has beaten. I noted every team that everyone beat with a winning record as a win of note. Then from there, I partitioned it between 5-6 win teams and 7 win team, 5-6 win defeats being "questionable" and the 7 win teams being "legit".

This partition makes sense, given that the 7 win teams have only had one or two losses, one of them being to the team listed. This means that the teams are pretty powerhouse in their own right. Meanwhile, the "questionable" teams go from 6-3, a game away from the 7-2 mark being noted as "legit", all the way down to 5-4 in the case of a lot of the teams, and even 5-5 in the case of Indiana, who counts as a win of note for OSU.

Really, what I was trying to say that, while you can't really answer the "Who has ND beaten" question with much certainty, you can't answer it for a lot of the teams in the top 10. Basically, the "Legit" wins are wins that can factor in that conversation, and none of the top 10 have more than 2. After that, you can make arguments for any of these wins of note not being strong wins.

For instance, look at OSU. They've beaten Texas. That's a Legit win. After that? PSU and Purdue, both of whom ND has beaten handily. Iowa, who, by general consensus, doesn't seem to be that good this year. And then you have 5-4 NIU and Cincy, and 5-5 Indiana. Their schedule doesn't look that much harder than ND's now, does it?

Look at Louisville. The team of note they've beaten is WVU. Then they have a bunch of semi-creampuff opponents. If ND played their schedule, they'd probably be 8-0 too.

I'm not saying that ND's schedule is harder than anybody elses. I'll admit that it is sort of weak given how it played out. However, what I'm trying to say is that if you want to use the "Who have they beaten" argument, you ought to look at the schedules of Cal, OSU, and Louisville and ask the same questions about them. The schedules aren't identical, but they're comparable.

 

[Overdose]

Bottom line guy's is that you have to play the game. Any team can get beat if they don't show up to play.

Notre Dame could beat any team in the nation if the other team did not have their A game on.
This works both ways. Any team could beat us too.
Who cares I love Notre Dame win or lose.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Youre an idiot, this thread is going nowhere.

well done!

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Fellas,

Let's chill out. We're on the same side, guys.

I'm not sure we are. I'm with scoop, I think this dude is a troll. 2 years and only 460 posts? Sounds like someone that comes on to bust chops every now and again. The constant "ND fans think they are so high and mighty" gives it away. Classic trollism. I could be wrong. He may be an ND fan, just not my kind of fan. And I don't see many people on this board agreeing with him, even though he claims they are.

PS. When someone goes on a ND site and argues that the team is over-rated at 8-1 and uses the same arguments that the "haters" use and calls some ND fans "high & mighty" over and over and gives more respect to Michigan than his own team....yeah, that person does deserve to be questioned about being a troll.