Notre Dame #9 in BCS Standings

[tommy]

not that it matters what other people think as cw has stated time and again . its just like settleing for second best if you start thinking like that you will never be the best at what your doing

 

[Aerosmith777]

imagine what will be said if we do go to the gator bowl nd wold be smeared no matter win or lose .

Oh, the same people who say the Irish should go to a lesser bowl against a team more "their level" would be the same ones saying the "W" doesn't count after they win b/c they played "inferior talent."

The funny thing about this to me though is, I think this will happen even if Notre Dame goes to a BCS game and wins. If they beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl lets say, I can already tell you what the headlines will be: "Meyer didn't play Tebow enough." "This was a team that barely beat unranked Vanderbilt & Georgia." "They lost to Auburn, who lost to Arkansas, so they can't be that good." etc etc etc.

 

[tommy]

its so sad how they use that for our oppenents and against us

 

[scooper]

Some ND fans yes, others think ND will beat the Colts and can do no wrong. Who is right or wrong?
Theres a difference in being "scared" to play a true top 5 team in a bowl and knowing what your teams limitations are. IMO the fan that thinks ND can do no wrong is by far the wrong of the two.
Nothing wrong in admitting the team has too many weak spots to hang with a top 5 team THIS YEAR. But there is something wrong with ignoring the weak points and thinking we can do no wrong.

Find one person here who thinks the Irish would beat the Colts. (As I told another poster, hyperbole will win you no arguments)

I'll admit a games against Ohio St. right now wouldn't look too good.

As for hanging with a "true" top 5 team, that depends on your definition of "true." Had Florida not blocked two Vanderbilt punts on Saturday, they would not be a "true" top 10 team today.

Yes, we see ND's faults. There are weak points. But outside of Ohio St. and maybe Michigan, there are not teams out there without faults.

But go ahead and cower in fear.

 

[scooper]

But if you win or not depends on your D!!!! We will not win against a team with a great O and a great D.

Which right now is Ohio St. and Michigan. Quit attributing Florida as having a great O.

 

[scooper]

POOR teams dont go to bowl games, there is an actual winning record requirement. And is ND above playing a #18 team in a bowl game? Last I checked UCLA was unranked but almost beat us. Not to mention others.

So.....that Florida team that you are afraid of almost lost to an unranked Vanderbilt over the weekend. And did you see the teams that Ohio St. and Michigan were lucky to escape against? I'm not saying we are OSU or UM right now, but you can't count close wins as losses as you seem to be doing.

 

[scooper]

Yeah but at least those are two high powered Offenses that are undefeated.

Um. Did you miss the fact that one of those teams is no longer undefeated and is now ranked behind ND? I find it funny that you make the must have a great D argument in the same thread in which you give those two teams credit for earning their record with high powered offense.

Oh, and if we played WVU's schedule, we'd be undefeated too.

 

[tedwick]

wow. scooper went OFF.

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

Warning: Pathetic anecdote following.

When I was in HS. My football program blew. One win year after the other for 4-5 years. Leading up to my Senior year we needed change. We needed a new vibe. Coaches couldnt provide such. Every year a new staff would try and turn it around to no avail. Along came coach Joe and his nutbag staff. The type that would jump in the middle of Bull in ring drills with no pads or helmet on and throw us around like rag dolls *I was lucky I was doing RB drills*

Homecoming: First night game of the season. Much anticipation. We got dressed knowing we had a shot at beating our opponents (they sucked like us) After going through pre game drills in the dark it was evident something was missing.... What could it be.... OH YEAH THE FUCKING LIGHTS!!!!! They gave us some half assed reason for being late and came about an hour passed with 4 few lights than expected.

The opposing coach wanted to call it. Coach joe wasnt havin' it. He demanded the game be played out. So, the game started. After the first quarter, Leading by 2..or 3 TD's their coaching staff started crying about how 'the black jerseys were masking the ball' (which is believable) My coach called over the ref and coach and stated in front of the enormous crowd of 300 or so people.

"I dont give a fuck what color our jersey's are. We'll put on the white ones. Well put on the white pinnies. Well put on dresses. AND WELL STILL BEAT THEIR FUCKING TEAM!!"

Ref was so impressed his emotional rant, he called it, and we had to play it over on Sunday.

So, what was the point of this....

Oh... yeah...

I dont care who, what, when, where, or why we play anyone in the NCAA. Notre Dame and their fan base cannot sit there and worry over losing. They have to have to confidence to play anyone on Saturday and win.


BTW, We still won the game, but Coach Joe was fired after the next season ( similar rants and the school got all tight) The new coach has actually changed the program around, though.

 

[bmf175]

Find one person here who thinks the Irish would beat the Colts. (As I told another poster, hyperbole will win you no arguments)

I'll admit a games against Ohio St. right now wouldn't look too good.

As for hanging with a "true" top 5 team, that depends on your definition of "true." Had Florida not blocked two Vanderbilt punts on Saturday, they would not be a "true" top 10 team today.

Yes, we see ND's faults. There are weak points. But outside of Ohio St. and maybe Michigan, there are not teams out there without faults.

But go ahead and cower in fear.

Cower in Fear? Go ahead and grow up! And step into reality.

Who cares what you have said to another poster? So all of a sudden you set rules for arguments?!?

If you think there is a winner to ANY of these arguments on the board...the joke is on you. We argue about the same things every week. In the next couple of days there will be a Willingham thread up....again. No point in "arguing" for false pride I am just talking ND football, thats it.

Playing OSU RIGHT NOW wouldnt look good? We are 3/4ths done with the season. And our D is still questionable, we hope every saturday that our O performs to their abilities!!! Dont you get it? This is our team, these are our weaknesses. If they have not changed this far into the season they are not going to change. The only thing that can change is the intensity of the players and even then they can only play up their talent level, which for the D is not as HIGH as it needs to be to beat a superior team.

 

[proudndfan]

Some ND fans yes, others think ND will beat the Colts and can do no wrong. Who is right or wrong?
Theres a difference in being "scared" to play a true top 5 team in a bowl and knowing what your teams limitations are. IMO the fan that thinks ND can do no wrong is by far the wrong of the two.
Nothing wrong in admitting the team has too many weak spots to hang with a top 5 team THIS YEAR. But there is something wrong with ignoring the weak points and thinking we can do no wrong.

Thank You

 

[bmf175]

So.....that Florida team that you are afraid of almost lost to an unranked Vanderbilt over the weekend. And did you see the teams that Ohio St. and Michigan were lucky to escape against? I'm not saying we are OSU or UM right now, but you can't count close wins as losses as you seem to be doing.

And you also cant count close wins against "inferior opponents" a good reason why we should play Florida or any other higher ranked team in a BCS bowl (as you seem to be doing).

 

[bmf175]

bullshit half the bowl games are poor teams if you go bye your thinking bmf

OK Ill admit that. Lets say any team they put against a one loss ND team is not going to be a shit team.

 

[scooper]

Playing OSU RIGHT NOW wouldnt look good? We are 3/4ths done with the season. And our D is still questionable,

Nobody is arguing against that. But at 8-1, it's obvioulsy good enough to win some games when coupled with the offense. As is Florida's bad offense when coupled with their defense.

Dont you get it? This is our team, these are our weaknesses. If they have not changed this far into the season they are not going to change.

Nobody has argued this either. But again, they win way more often than they lose. Why? Because more often than not, the offense DOES show up.

The only thing that can change is the intensity of the players and even then they can only play up their talent level, which for the D is not as HIGH as it needs to be to beat a superior team.

The gist of my argument is not that we can beat a superior team, it's what constitutes a superior team. My cower in fear comments have been against those who are so sure the Irish would get rolled by a team like Florida. My contention is that they are NOT a superior team. Superior D? Yes. Superior O? Not by a long shot. Just like ND, they have played some close ones against lesser competition and have had some breaks to get to where they are.

Who cares what you have said to another poster? So all of a sudden you set rules for arguments?!?

I don't give a damn what you use when arguing against others. But I'm not big on hyperbole as an argument and I certainly won't be swayed by it.

As like everybody else here, I don't think the Irish could beat the Colts, as your hyperbole would have us to believe. I'm not trying to convince anybody that ND is a championship caliber team. That would be silly.

But the Irish would have a shot against anybody outside of the top 2. And I don't get the reasoning of those who are looking for an easy opponent in a bowl game. What the heck would that get us?

I think Notre Dame could beat Florida. I think Florida could beat Notre Dame. And Notre Dame has never been about looking for nothing but sure wins. Why start now?

You quoted Lou regarding the need for a great D. Lou has also used the old saying about beating the best to be the best. He's a coach who never backed down. And his teams took down a few higher ranked teams against which the "experts" said ND had no chance. Those wins became Notre Dame moments.

Finishing 11-1 and taking down a hyped Florida team would be a Notre Dame moment. Beating a middle tier team for the sake of a simply getting a bowl win would not.

 

[scooper]

And you also cant count close wins against "inferior opponents" a good reason why we should play Florida or any other higher ranked team in a BCS bowl (as you seem to be doing).

Going 11-1 WOULD be a good reason to play a high ranked team in a bowl. Wins are wins. Losses are losses. I can't remember the last team that went through a season without losing or winning some games closer than they should. But the wins still counted for them. Why don't they count for Notre Dame?

Miami's last title team was probably it. Followed by an OSU team that won a title with a lot of breaks, including a Cincinnati WR dropping a touchdown in the end zone that would have put OSU simply in the Rose Bowl and out of the title game. A lucky win against an inferior team. Yet it still seemed to count? Hmmm.

 

[scooper]

Thank You

OK. Since you're thanking him, find me one poster on this board who doesn't think ND has some faults or who thinks ND could beat one of the elite teams in the NFL.

Find me such a post. Take a day or two. Please report back to us.

 

[bmf175]

If you're trying to sound intelligent while making a point...yes.

No it only matters if you are a petty person that thinks grammar corrections are even remotely important in a forum.

And I think an argument could be made that a fair number of poor teams go to bowls, what with the number of games that are played after the reg season.

Ok any team they put against a one loss ND team is not going to be "poor" the whole point to playing in a bowl is money. No body is going to go to a ND v. SDSU bowl game. Just because we dont play a team in the top five does not means that we will not play another good team.

Last I checked, they don't award wins for almost beating the other team.

Nope but it proves something.
Did we learn something when Zook's boys almost beat OSU? Yep. That OSU can be beat. Have we learned something from ND "almost" lossing to half the teams they played? Yep, we are over rated. Hell I can admit it others on the board can admit it. No shame in it.

 

[bmf175]

OK. Since you're thanking him, find me one poster on this board who doesn't think ND has some faults or who thinks ND could beat one of the elite teams in the NFL.

Find me such a post. Take a day or two. Please report back to us.

Man, calm down you're getting carried away. Its OK if people disagree with you. Obviously some things escape you.

 

[scooper]

Did we learn something when Zook's boys almost beat OSU? Yep. That OSU can be beat.

OK. Let's start here. Did we learn anything when Vandy almost beat Florida? Yep. That UF can be beat. Is Vandy better than ND? Works both ways, doesn't it?

Have we learned something from ND "almost" lossing to half the teams they played? Yep, we are over rated. Hell I can admit it others on the board can admit it. No shame in it.

Once again, hyperbole. Notre Dame has played 9 teams. They lost to one. They "almost" lost to two others. MSU and UCLA. You might argue Georgia Tech, but ND was in control from the end of the first half on. Maybe not in the score, but they were moving the ball from then on and GT wasn't. And that's more than some other good teams can say about their games with GT. Nobody else has come within two touchdowns of ND. So where do you get this overrated because they almost lost to half the teams?

Now I'm convinced you're trolling.

 

[scooper]

Thank You

Man, calm down you're getting carried away. Its OK if people disagree with you. Obviously some things escape you.

I'm not the only one posting in this thread. You seem to be going with your side. When I see something I believe to be false, I try to provide evidence to the contrary.

 

[penguin]

Lovin' my Irish

Lovin' my Irish

Damn...there's barely any difference between us Cal and U. of Spoiled Children according to the BCS average.

Irish- .732
Cal- .733
Spoiled Children- .745

That's the difference between 7th and 9th...

I like this comment. Personally, I think the Irish are better than at least one of these teams.

I'll have to borrow the "U of Spoiled Children" designation. I love it !! That is one team I love to hate.

Now, for my special wish (again this year): Please, God, let us dominate over the team deemed "spoiled children" and be shown better than both Pac 10 schools.

It's been an interesting year. Hopefully it will only continue to improve.

~ Always lovin' my Irish.

 

[bmf175]

Going 11-1 WOULD be a good reason to play a high ranked team in a bowl. Wins are wins. Losses are losses. I can't remember the last team that went through a season without losing or winning some games closer than they should. But the wins still counted for them. Why don't they count for Notre Dame?

Miami's last title team was probably it. Followed by an OSU team that won a title with a lot of breaks, including a Cincinnati WR dropping a touchdown in the end zone that would have put OSU simply in the Rose Bowl and out of the title game. A lucky win against an inferior team. Yet it still seemed to count? Hmmm.

Im not arguing that.

I think ND is great, everybody on here has been an ND fan for a long time. Everybody wishes ND the best. And who ever they play I WANT them to win, hell I will more than likely be in the stands, even if I think it is a bad match up.

You talk about hyperbole, I dont recall anybody saying we should only play a suck ass team in a bowl. The only thing some of us are saying is that we dont think we are good enough this year to compete with some teams....thats it.
Nobody is "scared". Why would they be we are not on the field!

Some people think we are too "superior" of a team and school to lower ourselves to play the Broncos or Rutgers? Why? You guys make a big deal about being 8-1 last I checked they have a better record than us. Just because we dont play UF or UM or OSU doesnt mean they disrespecting the ND.

 

[scooper]

Im not arguing that.

I think ND is great, everybody on here has been an ND fan for a long time. Everybody wishes ND the best. And who ever they play I WANT them to win, hell I will more than likely be in the stands, even if I think it is a bad match up.

You talk about hyperbole, I dont recall anybody saying we should only play a suck ass team in a bowl. The only thing some of us are saying is that we dont think we are good enough this year to compete with some teams....thats it.
Nobody is "scared". Why would they be we are not on the field!

Some people think we are too "superior" of a team and school to lower ourselves to play the Broncos or Rutgers? Why? You guys make a big deal about being 8-1 last I checked they have a better record than us. Just because we dont play UF or UM or OSU doesnt mean they disrespecting the ND.

There have been a number of posters on here who have outwardly wished to play a weaker team for the sake of getting a bowl win. If you don't feel that way, good. It's been a long thread, but I believe my contention was in contrary to your believing a team like Florida would roll ND.

I've watched a lot of Florida this year for some reason and they have had their own trouble against lesser opponents. And they simply don't have the offense that people seem to think they do. In no way am I saying ND doesn't have faults. But I believe they COULD overcome them to beat a team like Florida. But like I said above, that game could go either way.

Onto Rutgers, etc. If Rutgers runs the table, they are a worthy opponent. And a tough one that runs the ball very well and plays outstanding defense. IF they win out, they would not be too low. I'm not so sure about Boise, based purely on competition. Though they looked great in spanking the same Oregon St. that beat USC. That Ian Johnson is a very underrated RB.

I guess my main contention is, having watched most of them numerous times, I think ND could hang with anybody in the top 10 outside of the top 2. Texas would scare me a bit with their QB play having improved tremendously. Florida, though, doesn't scare me. I think it would be a great matchup.

 

[bmf175]

OK. Let's start here. Did we learn anything when Vandy almost beat Florida? Yep. That UF can be beat. Is Vandy better than ND? Works both ways, doesn't it?

Once again, hyperbole. Notre Dame has played 9 teams. They lost to one. They "almost" lost to two others. MSU and UCLA. You might argue Georgia Tech, but ND was in control from the end of the first half on. Maybe not in the score, but they were moving the ball from then on and GT wasn't. And that's more than some other good teams can say about their games with GT. Nobody else has come within two touchdowns of ND. So where do you get this overrated because they almost lost to half the teams?

Now I'm convinced you're trolling.

Trolling? What the fuck are you talking about? I cant be trolling if some people agree with me. Ive been apart of this forum longer than you but I have far less useless postings than some people.
A forum troll not only causes trouble but has thousands of useless posts. Sound like anybody YOU know?

 

[scooper]

Trolling? What the fuck are you talking about? I cant be trolling if some people agree with me. Ive been apart of this forum for as long as you but I have far less useless postings than some people.
A forum troll not only causes trouble but has thousands of useless posts. Sound like anybody YOU know?

Nope. Nobody I know. I tend to think my posts are quite useful, thank you.

 

[bmf175]

Nope. Nobody I know. I tend to think my posts are quite useful, thank you.

Im growing quite bored with this as long as we agree I am right and you are wrong we should just call it quits.
Go Irish!

You know the funny thing is people on this board are soo willing to cry when they think the media is against us. They cry and complain if we are not ranked higher than so and so.

But when they do pick us to play in a BCS bowl (because we attract huge crowds) and we lose and look stupid. Those same people cry and complain the following year that the media hates us.

The fact is not all of the ND fans think we are deserving of a BCS bowl. If half of us are willing to admit it, then you know the media knows it. But we get picked anyways. And the cycle continues.

 

[NDgettysburg]

No it only matters if you are a petty person that thinks grammar corrections are even remotely important in a forum.

It wasn't a correction of grammar to begin with...but of course you knew that.

Ok any team they put against a one loss ND team is not going to be "poor" the whole point to playing in a bowl is money. No body is going to go to a ND v. SDSU bowl game. Just because we dont play a team in the top five does not means that we will not play another good team.

So you're saying there's no difference between a BCS eligible team and those who fill out the "lesser" bowls?

I never said they wouldn't play a good team, but unless they play in a BCS game, they won't play a team that, across the country, is considered to be one of the best. And that was the point of wishing to see ND in a BCS bowl. Play the best available and risk the loss verus playing an average team that we should beat.

Yep, we are over rated. Hell I can admit it others on the board can admit it. No shame in it.

I don't think so....no one outside of the top 2 have really distanced themselves. OSU beat Texas....Michigan beat....well, I don't know who they beat since you consider ND overrated. Where is their marquee win that justifies the #2 spot?

I've not made any claims that ND should be in the top 5 but I clearly do not think they don't deserve to be where they're ranked. If the "we can only play the teams that are on the schedule" excuse works for the rest of the top 10, why not ND? There's not a team in the top 10 that has dominated every game from whistle to whistle. Everyone has close calls....and those close calls didn't come against top competition either.

 

[scooper]

I'll end with this.

We all see the flaws that you see. Those flaws keep this team from being a championship caliber team. But there aren't many teams out there without flaws. Most of the BCS field will have flaws.

And I don't believe that as you say half of us are willing to admit that ND doesn't deserve a BCS bid. In fact, if the Irish finish 11-1, they are without a doubt BCS worthy by every definition of BCS worthy, including the polls and the numbers. How could an 11-1 team that plays a top 20 schedule NOT be picked for the BCS?

However, if the Irish go out to LA and lose. I'll be the first to admit it's Gator Bowl time.

As for rankings, you can't find one post from me complaining about the rankings. Or Mark May or anybody at ESPN, etc. My stance there is win out and the rankings take care of themselves. Once the title shot is gone (and it is) I just want to see the highest ranking possible. But that has to be earned by winning. Which they have done every game so far since losing the title shot.

It will all play out. If ND is overrated, it will show in LA. If not, we'll see it in the BCS.

I still think ND can beat Florida. And I've given many a reason why.

 

[scooper]

I'm going to bed. Remember to vote tomorrow.

 

[bmf175]

It wasn't a correction of grammar to begin with...but of course you knew that.

Oh Im sorry lets just drop it because you dont know me but you think you are the smartest person.

Play the best available and risk the loss verus playing an average team that we should beat.

Hilarious here we go again. For some reason ND is soo high and mighty. This has to be the only turn off I have found in being a ND fan. Other ND fans give us the image that we are soo much better than everybody else.
You guys are giving me a hard time for saying ND is not a Top 5 team. You guys say the only thing that seperates us is one loss. WELL guess what the only thing that seperates ND from a #18 team is one loss, so we cant be too snooty can we.

I don't think so....no one outside of the top 2 have really distanced themselves. OSU beat Texas....Michigan beat....well, I don't know who they beat since you consider ND overrated. Where is their marquee win that justifies the #2 spot?

Well you also cant say they are at #2 because they beat us.