Playoff System

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

Yay or Nay.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Nay. College football is better than pro partly because every game matters. A playoff system would make 1 or even 2 losses sustainable.

It just wouldn't be good for the game.

* interesting avatar, btw.

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

Nay. College football is better than pro partly because every game matters. A playoff system would make 1 or even 2 losses sustainable.

It just wouldn't be good for the game.

* interesting avatar, btw.

The BCS is going to make things ugly this year, if no one goes the distance.


Thanks, I made it for scooper. OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

BESIDES, how come CFB is the only major sport without one?

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I don't know. But what I do know is that college football is by far the greatest sport in the world.

What's that phrase again? "Don't fix what 'aint broke"?

 

[jiggafini19]

I've participated in two playoff games. Every game played at D-I AA, D II, DIII, etc. matters. To think that any game on an 11 game schedule is utterly wrong. You play to win every game and try to win your conference. You aren't thinking about any cushion because of a 16 game playoff that can save you.

Playoff games just don't come with a nifty paycheck like bowl games do.

Moneywise, playoff system bad. Determining real champion, good.

Alas, writers, coaches polls, computers and people in suits will decide.

 

[tgolden]

while I certainly don't think the BCS is perfect and don't really like how 1 loss early in the season can ruin a team's chance, I don't think a playoff system is what is needed.

just from a practicality standpoint, I think it would make the season way too long. Those guys already have such hectic schedules, I think it would be really hard for them to be playing so much. I guess if you just did a playoff of the top 4 or 8 teams, it might be doable, but then there would be controversy over what team deserved to be #8 and which one deserved to be #9.

 

[guff]

I don't know. But what I do know is that college football is by far the greatest sport in the world.

What's that phrase again? "Don't fix what 'aint broke"?

Ain't broke? The f*ckin' thing is in shambles. Nearly every year the formula is tweaked to correct the previous year's mistake. The thing is so screwed up the AP wants nothing to do with it. Last year was one year where there was no debate as to who should play in the title game, but last year wasn't without a problem. After Reggie Push shoved Lienart into the end zone, the BCS title game was fait accompli. That was it - Texas and USC were playing in the title game and no other games really mattered. The rest of the regular season was rendered moot.

The BCS system turns every other game bowl game into meaningless exhibition football. I couldn't even tell you who played in the Sugar Bowl last year. Auburn? That would be my guess. Doesn't matter though because the outcome didn't matter. One game matter - Texas vs USC - every other game was split squad Catcus League baseball. *YAWN* (Even the Fiesta Bowl)

As for the 'a playoff would ruin the regular season' argument. WEAK! One loss kills a teams season. Their destiny is no longer in their own hands. They have to hope for a million senarios to break right and hope to catch some love geeks and their computers. Imagine ND/USC playing on Thanksgiving weekend both fighting for their playoff lives. Winner goes on, loser goes home. How freakin' great would that be? Instead ND/USC will play for pride and BCS $$$ and since I don't see any of the cash I really don't care about that aspect of the equation.

The BCS sucks!

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

I've participated in two playoff games. Every game played at D-I AA, D II, DIII, etc. matters. To think that any game on an 11 game schedule is utterly wrong. You play to win every game and try to win your conference. You aren't thinking about any cushion because of a 16 game playoff that can save you.

Playoff games just don't come with a nifty paycheck like bowl games do.

Moneywise, playoff system bad. Determining real champion, good.

Alas, writers, coaches polls, computers and people in suits will decide.

Ha, you actually think people wouldnt shell out the money? Have the same bowl's just instead put 'PO Game #' instead. Rotate the games etc. Making a bowl game would be the same as the playoffs essentially, only that a champion would truly be determined.

 

[irishfan]

The BCS system turns every other game bowl game into meaningless exhibition football. I couldn't even tell you who played in the Sugar Bowl last year. Auburn? That would be my guess. Doesn't matter though because the outcome didn't matter. One game matter - Texas vs USC - every other game was split squad Catcus League baseball. *YAWN* (Even the Fiesta Bowl)

Actually the Sugar Bowl mattered a lot then, and it still matters now. West Virginia would not be ranked nearly as high, and probably would be ranked below us. We would be rooting for them to beat Louisville instead of the other way around, because West Virginia would be ranked 15-20 right now.

 

[guff]

Actually the Sugar Bowl mattered a lot then, and it still matters now. West Virginia would not be ranked nearly as high, and probably would be ranked below us. We would be rooting for them to beat Louisville instead of the other way around, because West Virginia would be ranked 15-20 right now.

Using that logic Louisville should be ranked lower then ND. They didn't play in BCS last year. They played in the Gator Bowl and lost (I had to look it up). Last year's bowl has no impact on a teams rank at this point.

Also your argument reinforces my contention that in the current system a team with one loss no longer controls it's destiny.

 

[KMac151993]

College Football is all about tradition, it is bad enough we are selling out so many rights to things. The Bowls and the format is what makes college football great IMO, its what makes division 1 ball unique. irishfan is right as well, the Sugar Bowl last year has helped WVU all season long...so its not like the other bowls don't matter.

 

[guff]

Can't argue tradition either. Tradition would have it that the Big 10 champs and Pac 10 champs meet in the Rose Bowl. The BCS does away with that tradition. If a Big 10 or Pac 10 is #1 or #2 in the BCS then they go to BCS Championship game/bowl. The Rose Bowl then gets first pick of an at-large team. If Pac 10/Big 10 finish 1 and 2 in the BCS they don't play in the Rose Bowl. How 'bout that for tradition.

BCS exists to make money for conferences and universities. That's it. There is no valid argument for the BCS to exist.

 

[KMac151993]

Can't argue tradition either. Tradition would have it that the Big 10 champs and Pac 10 champs meet in the Rose Bowl. The BCS does away with that tradition. If a Big 10 or Pac 10 is #1 or #2 in the BCS then they go to BCS Championship game/bowl. The Rose Bowl then gets first pick of an at-large team. If Pac 10/Big 10 finish 1 and 2 in the BCS they don't play in the Rose Bowl. How 'bout that for tradition.

BCS exists to make money for conferences and universities. That's it. There is no valid argument for the BCS to exist.

I would rather just go back to the old format prior to the BCS.

 

[tommy]

i think if they did it like the ncaa basketball it could work but their are so many diferentials that i dont think they could compromise on it .

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Ain't broke? The f*ckin' thing is in shambles. Nearly every year the formula is tweaked to correct the previous year's mistake. The thing is so screwed up the AP wants nothing to do with it. Last year was one year where there was no debate as to who should play in the title game, but last year wasn't without a problem. After Reggie Push shoved Lienart into the end zone, the BCS title game was fait accompli. That was it - Texas and USC were playing in the title game and no other games really mattered. The rest of the regular season was rendered moot.

The BCS system turns every other game bowl game into meaningless exhibition football. I couldn't even tell you who played in the Sugar Bowl last year. Auburn? That would be my guess. Doesn't matter though because the outcome didn't matter. One game matter - Texas vs USC - every other game was split squad Catcus League baseball. *YAWN* (Even the Fiesta Bowl)

As for the 'a playoff would ruin the regular season' argument. WEAK! One loss kills a teams season. Their destiny is no longer in their own hands. They have to hope for a million senarios to break right and hope to catch some love geeks and their computers. Imagine ND/USC playing on Thanksgiving weekend both fighting for their playoff lives. Winner goes on, loser goes home. How freakin' great would that be? Instead ND/USC will play for pride and BCS $$$ and since I don't see any of the cash I really don't care about that aspect of the equation.

The BCS sucks!

I could not agree with this statement more...so I just wanted to "quote it for truth".

 

[irishfan]

Using that logic Louisville should be ranked lower then ND. They didn't play in BCS last year. They played in the Gator Bowl and lost (I had to look it up). Last year's bowl has no impact on a teams rank at this point.

Also your argument reinforces my contention that in the current system a team with one loss no longer controls it's destiny.

I was talking about preseason rankings, and obviously those matter now, especially when a team like West Virginia plays nobodys, they wont fall in the rankings. All I was trying to say was that last years bowl games have such a big impact on the preseason rankings, which impact the Top 10 right now. It's the last impression that a team makes before the off-season. Like I said before, had West Virginia lost to Auburn in last years Sugar Bowl, then West Virginia proabably would be close to Boise State and Rutgers in the Top 25. Instead, they came into the rankings in the top 5, and have stayed there even through their weak schedule. Look back at last years bowl games, and teams that won big games, even if they lost a lot of talent, still came into the rankings high. (Ohio State, Texas, West Virginia, etc.)

 

[tgolden]

ok, i change my mind. the whole ranking thing is bogus. they should do like bball and have a 64 game tourny that lasts a couple months.

 

[KMac151993]

ok, i change my mind. the whole ranking thing is bogus. they should do like bball and have a 64 game tourny that lasts a couple months.

That's just stupid....64 team tournament, give me a break.

 

[KMac151993]

I was talking about preseason rankings, and obviously those matter now, especially when a team like West Virginia plays nobodys, they wont fall in the rankings. All I was trying to say was that last years bowl games have such a big impact on the preseason rankings, which impact the Top 10 right now. It's the last impression that a team makes before the off-season. Like I said before, had West Virginia lost to Auburn in last years Sugar Bowl, then West Virginia proabably would be close to Boise State and Rutgers in the Top 25. Instead, they came into the rankings in the top 5, and have stayed there even through their weak schedule. Look back at last years bowl games, and teams that won big games, even if they lost a lot of talent, still came into the rankings high. (Ohio State, Texas, West Virginia, etc.)

Just so everyone knows, since obviously no one remembers, West Virginia beat Georgia last year in the Sugar Bowl...not Auburn as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread.

 

[tgolden]

That's just stupid....64 team tournament, give me a break.

sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm. I'm not that much of an idiot I know that would never be even a possiblitly. I'm just slightly angry about how all the polls seem to be against us right now.

 

[KMac151993]

sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm. I'm not that much of an idiot I know that would never be even a possiblitly. I'm just slightly angry about how all the polls seem to be against us right now.

Sorry, I thought it might be but with all the ideas that people are throwing out here about a "playoff" system I couldn't be so sure.

 

[guff]

Just so everyone knows, since obviously no one remembers, West Virginia beat Georgia last year in the Sugar Bowl...not Auburn as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread.

Exactly my point

 

[irishfan]

Just so everyone knows, since obviously no one remembers, West Virginia beat Georgia last year in the Sugar Bowl...not Auburn as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread.

You're right. My bad. That's not going to help me prove my point, but all I was trying to say was that the bowl games have a huge impact on the pre-season rankings. And in the case of West Virginia and Louisville who have played nobody, (except louisville played Miami) they have not moved at all since then, so the bowl games from last year are still having a big effect on the rankings right now.

 

[KMac151993]

Exactly my point

My point is that shows that a majority of Notre Dame fans know nothing about any other teams or happenings in college football....as hard as it may be for some people, Notre Dame is not the only team playing college football.

 

[lattedatte]

My point is that shows that a majority of Notre Dame fans know nothing about any other teams or happenings in college football....as hard as it may be for some people, Notre Dame is not the only team playing college football.

well said, in general we ND fans are huge homer's and care very little about any other team. We are also very set in our ways.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

well said, in general we ND fans are huge homer's and care very little about any other team. We are also very set in our ways.

I agree. But I also think that's generally true of all other teams.

There is an exception, though.. I think fans know a pretty decent amount about their opponents, at least the major ones.

I mean, I consider myself pretty knowledgable of USC football, just as an Auburn fan would of Alabama.. or Georgia as we would say we are of Michigan.

 

[AZIRISHFAN]

They need a playoff thats for sure. Some teams get knocked out of the title picture early by a quick loss out the gates but play better then the rest by the end of year (See Calfornia and their early loss at TN). But, you also keep the bowl system in place as well.

I would like to see a system where the Big 4 rotate who hosts the championship game, 2 others host the Semis, the other hosts a quarterfinal with a couple of other sites (throw in some Dome sites to give other areas a chance Indianapolis, Atlanta, Houston, Minnesota, Detroit to name a few). That would be an 8 team playoff to determine who is the best of the best. Instead of taking the month of December off they play thru. If teams dont make the playoff then they can play in the other bowls. It will be like the NIT (Not Invited) they can go get their money and play at the so-and-so tire bowl or the dot.com bowl.

But atleast it will 8 teams with a chance instead of just 2.

 

[lattedatte]

I agree. But I also think that's generally true of all other teams.

There is an exception, though.. I think fans know a pretty decent amount about their opponents, at least the major ones.

I mean, I consider myself pretty knowledgable of USC football, just as an Auburn fan would of Alabama.. or Georgia as we would say we are of Michigan.

I would agree, in general... I also think that other fans tend to know a lot about us.

 

[Aaronl]

how could anyone not want a playoff?