Penn St over scUM

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you heard it hear first....

Night game at happy valley, any one remember the last night game at Happy Valley?? That's right OSU last year. PSU will be looking for revenge from last years screw job by the refs on the clock. Morelli is coming around and played big in the OT game yesterday. The defense has the athletes to match scUM and Henne's head is going to explode from the intense pressure. 110,000 maniacs, 109,000 of which I can't stand, but this week they are all my friends.

Go lions, beat scUM!!
 

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amen to that.

Notre Dame beat Penn State
Michigan beat Notre Dame
Penn St beats Michigan

It would be all even.
 

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Boy oh boy...I'd never let the Michigan faithful live down a loss to the Lions at this point considering PSU has been exposed as a truly OK team. They were GIVEN that win last weekend against Minnesota when the pass interference extended the game in OT and they went on to win. I'd love to see the Lions play tough and up-end the skunkbears...and I HATE PSU living in Pennsylvania. Sometimes, the enemy of your enemy is your friend...haha. In this case...go PSU!!
 
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Don't think so.

I think MSU has a better chance of beating Ohio State...if only it were at night.

But seriously, for some reason people are forgetting that OSU hasn't faced a team yet that can put the ball in the air. This will be their first challenge in that respect. And MSU is known for its upsets.. it's kind of weird for them to go an entire season without one..so this will be their opportunity, a la 1998.

I think it can happen. Everyone's counting them out since they lost to Illinois and Michigan, but I sincerely believe they can win this game. OSU's defense is a paper tiger and MSU will be pumped for this game since they are the #1 team in the nation.

And besides, OSU doesn't show up for the small games; if the Iowa game weren't so over-hyped, they would have stood a chance.
 
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I HATE PSU living in Pennsylvania. Sometimes, the enemy of your enemy is your friend...haha. In this case...go PSU!!

I see your from Harrisburg too, small world lol. As much as the ND nation despises Michigan, I would never root for PSU. Can't stand how the local media beats them down our throats.
 

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Just want to bump this back to the top becuase I'm fairly convinced about this, hope I'm right....
 

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I don't know. Since they've joined the Big 10, PSU hasn't done very well against scUM. OSU maybe, but not Annie Arbor.

Regardless of where they play or what time it is, tOSU is going to bounce Sparty wicked hard. Maybe some snow or rain can derail them.
 

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First, let me take this opportunity to say Harrisburg High is going down Saturday night and yours truly will probably be there. ;)

On topic, I'm not so sure. Manningham's injury takes a chunk out of Michigan, but I'm not sold on Penn St's offense moving the ball against Michigan's defense. There's no way that line control's Michigan's front.
 

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Last I checked, Manningham wasn't a part of that defense and Mike Hart is healthy.

They can't let one guy going down make them start moping around. ND lost McKnight last year and it turned out pretty good in the end.
 

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Last I checked, Manningham wasn't a part of that defense and Mike Hart is healthy.

They can't let one guy going down make them start moping around. ND lost McKnight last year and it turned out pretty good in the end.

That was my point. The bottom line is Michigan's defense is too good for the iffy at best Penn St. offense.
 

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Agree...

Agree...

I see your from Harrisburg too, small world lol. As much as the ND nation despises Michigan, I would never root for PSU. Can't stand how the local media beats them down our throats.

jsully84,

Agree about the local media (Patriot News, Easton Express, PennLive, etc.) constantly rub it in about the Lions.

On the Blue-Grey SKy BLog, a fellow Pennsylvanian described
the PR writer for the Harrisburg Patriot News as "Bagdad
Bob'. It really applies to all the Lion's media.

Whatever the case, I want the team to win which has the
most impact on the ND BCS chances...Tom
 

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I'll be the third HBG resident to chime in. I hate PSU and I can't stand that idiot Phil Gross from Blue White Illustrated. Every time I hear his voice on the radio it makes angry enough to kick puppies.

That said I'd like them to beat Michigan. But I don't think it will happen. Morelli just isn't good enough yet.
 

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I'd love to see Penn St. win, but I doubt it. They just don't have the talent. Sparty has a better chance at the upset, but it's doubtful too.
 

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Talent isn't everything boys and girls.... And with the likes of justin king, poslusny, o'conner on d, let's face it they aren't talent deprived. On offense they are filed with 4 and 5 star kids. Morelli showed descent maturity at Minnesota last week. I honestly can't remeber the last time Henne won a tight game on the road(i could be wrong). Then factor in the fact it's a home night game in happy valley, 35 degrees, revenge from last year.. O boy we got ourselves a perfect storm for an uspet. Don't forget this PSU team battled OSU in the shoe and had a chance to tie it with 2.5 minutes left. PSU 19-scUM 17. Saftey is the difference.

As I said, living in Pittsburgh, where PSU alums outnumber Pitt alums, I cannot stand those arrogant assholes. But for one night, one night, they are all my freinds.... rahhh, rahhh!!!!!!

FYI - i also dispise Pitt fans as well.
 
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PSU has a chance to beat Michigan, but their QB play is not that great. Plus, their receivers aren't all that physical. Michigan's defense is too tough for PSU and the offense will score just enough points to eek out a victory. Without Manningham, they don't have a gamebreaker. I think people stopped trying to shove Breaston down our throat after Manningham's emergence. I think it says alot about you as a receiver if the only pass they can throw to you is whatever the heck that pass is where they throw it out in the flats and you try to get some yards out of it. Breaston is a subpar receiver and he always has been. Arrington and Manningham are better. Anyway, they won't need Manningham. Just give the ball to Mike Hart. As far as OSU and MSU.....if MSU plays like they did the 1st half of our game, they have a chance. If they play like they have in the last 9 quarters of football, they lose. Badly. By a minimum of 3 TDs.
 

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you heard it hear first....

Go lions, beat scUM!!

In the immortal verse of Stephen Tyler, "Dream on, dream on, dream on..."

Too many Michigan D-linemen in the PSU offensive backfield, too much Michael Hart in the PSU defensive backfield. And Breaston and Arrington aren't chopped liver.

I'm just hoping we get to see Joe Pa sprint for the toilet.
 

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after a thrashing at the hands of scUM, watching them win out is the only thing that makes it bearable. personally, i'm much more interesting in seeing a bi-polar MSU knock down the mighty buckeyes.
 
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I'd love to see MSU win, but I'd love to see another John L Smith nutjob episode even more.
 

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In the immortal verse of Stephen Tyler, "Dream on, dream on, dream on..."

Too many Michigan D-linemen in the PSU offensive backfield, too much Michael Hart in the PSU defensive backfield. And Breaston and Arrington aren't chopped liver.

I'm just hoping we get to see Joe Pa sprint for the toilet.

Could we bet 500 of bankroll on it, anyone know the answer to that/??
 

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Sorry, but Michigan will role into the OSU game.
We played poorly against Michigan, but they are a good team!
 
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Hm.. Michigan - Manningham = not good.

But, PSU still doesn't have an offense. It'll be ugly, but UM will win this one.. I still think by at least 17.
 

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Hm.. Michigan - Manningham = not good.

But, PSU still doesn't have an offense. It'll be ugly, but UM will win this one.. I still think by at least 17.

Not good?

How so? Manningham is a great deep threat...but to say they are "not good" is a REAL stretch.

They have many weapons, he is the #1 receiver, but the others are pretty good too.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamstats?teamId=130

Mike Hart is going to run hard against Penn State. If we had a good O-Line, Walker might have gotten some yards against them. However, Hart is going to rush for a century easy...
 

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I know, I know we beat penn st by 30 and lost to michigan by 30, so michigan will beat penn st by 60. That is the most overated way to look at a CFB game. It's a lot about matchups and emotion. If scUM thinks they could just walk into this game and run hart left, run hart middle, run hart right... they will be mistaken.. Penn st defense is stout, gave up 14 points to OSU in the shoe. Penn st offense has a ton of talent and Morelli is maturing, probably a little slower than some like but he is getting better.
 

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lattedatte seems to be buying into the Lou Holtz scenerio scheming of somehow hoping that all the undefeated teams lose one game so Nd can have a shot at the title game. I wonder what he was saying about PSU before they played Nd. Seriously, dream on, it's never happened before. I'm not saying we'll be in the championship game, but I am 99% sure Nd won't be there, and if they are, it's a crying shame.

Our camp is divided on this game, much the same way you guys are. Some think we'll just roll because PSU is an inexperienced team, but I tend to agree with those who worry.

First, the game is at Happy Valley. They are very angry about what happened last year, so the atmosphere will be wild. PSU's has a good run defense and a horrific (and I mean awful) secondary. But I fear that if they stop the run, Henne will be forced to make tough throws that kept Troy Smith out of balance (the PSU-OSU game this year was close for 3.5 quarters). The key will be Hart. Can the OL give him room to establish the running game. If so, easy victory. If not, I can see an upset.

Another important key is stopping PSU's running game. Now, though I can see us winning the game if our run game is not established, there is no way PSU can win without establishing Hunt. If Morelli can't playaction, he will be sacked or he will throw picks. He's just not in sync with his excellent recievers now, and that rarely changes in a week (It didn't change for Henne for the entire 2005 season). It didn't even happen against Minnesota, a game that was given to them by the refs on a phantom "pass interference" call that would have ended the game for Minnesota. In every game Morelli has played, he seems to be slow in his decisionmaking, oftentimes not reading defenses correctly or consistenly. He throws a great deep ball one moment, and then throw a horrible ball right into the defenders hands. That's why he's so vulnerable to picks. These symptions make it even more unlikely that he will simply emerge. But they will have to gamble anyways. Otherwise they lose the game.

As much as I like Manningham's big play ability, he's not the HART of this offense. It's no surprise that our success often hinges on his health. When we was out last year, we lost. When he was healthy, he won. We are also benefiting from a Henne that has really come alive this year, performing very well in pressure situations. Manningham is not a mature reciever yet. You see the big plays on tv, but you don't see the drops or the fact that he sometimes runs bad routes (this was not the case against Nd, but in almost every game afterwards you saw some of these weakness). Obviously he will be missed, but it's not the end of the world.

It will be interesting to see which one of our recievers matches up with Justin King. If they put him on Arrington, then Breaston will have to step up (as a senior native of PA who's underachieved at the WR postion, he'll need to be effective). I also expect the TE to be open all the time. Hart can roam the backfield and get passes, too (He is very good in that area)

Henne has the additional incentive of coming back to his home state and the team he vanquished. Apparently, Paterno pushed extremely hard for Henne, and Henne apparently promised Paterno that he would commit to PSU, only to change his mind last minute. That resulted in PSU recruiting Anthony Morelli. His performance will also matter.

I'm pretty confident Hart can run against the PSU defense. PSU's rush defense is good up the middle but is weak on the sides. This was exploited by OSU, who repeatedly sent Pittman to the sidelines, resulting in good yardage. But Hart can't do this alone. Smith was uncharacteristically off during the PSU game, and Henne will have to make some throws in order for us to win the game. He has done this before, and I believe he is motivated. The key is getting the crowd out of the game immediately.
 
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Happy Valley under the lights........Henne doesn't have the noodle to handle that kind of atmosphere, and you know it. ND? You could hear a pin drop (as usual). That kid will be a life-long gym/kickball teacher when it's all said and done.
 

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I think the crazy crowd will play into this, but I still like scUM.

Manningham's being absent will play a major role against Ohio State. Their defense can handle Penn State and Iowa enough to get away with having their best receiver down.
 
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I'm understanding that Manningham will be back by the time OSU comes around.
 

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I'm thinking/believing/hoping that Michigan, with Super Mario, is good enough to go into Columbus and beat the U$ele$$ Nut$. If they are that good with him, they should be able to beat the JoePas in Beaver Stadium without him.
 
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