What has changed at ND in the admissions department?

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In Holtz's latter years he made reference of admissions standards hurting him. Davie took over and recruited good athletes, but not elite difference maker athletes. Willingham didn't even go after the best athletes. So how is it that Weis is able to recruit the best of the best?

I agree that Weis is going to bring more appeal to ND due to his offense and his NFL connections. And he has a phenomenal work ethic. So he going to attract the best athletes to ND. But how is getting the studs past admissions? Has he been granted a certain number of "exceptions" per year?
 
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Jenkins, Jenkins, and more Jenkins. He is the one that fired Willingham, (not Monk, or Hatch or White) and has tremendous influence over the program as a whole......
 
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I think the approach has changed a bit.. they used to go purely by the numbers, but now, I think they are willing to give good kids some lee-way; they figure that if they have strong character, they won't get into trouble and they'll work hard.

But here's another thing: Notre Dame has begun recruiting a lot of guys with 18s on the ACT and a few with scores under 900 on the SAT. That's nothing new. Ty went after Derell Hand (880 SAT) and Ronald Talley (18 ACT) among others.

If you need to be re-assured about the guys we're recruiting, just watch their interviews; guys like Arrelious Benn and Bartley Webb have really impressed me with their maturity.

Now, for a guy I don't think we should have ever gotten into the business of recruiting, I present to you: Marvin Austin. Fortunately, Barksdale and him are polar opposites.

And hey, one of the biggest failures of the "by-the-numbers" approach: Maurice Clarrett. Did he have character as a senior in high school? No. In fact, Prescott Burgess, the DB for Michigan, wanted to go to Ohio State, but he didn't because he and Maurice went to the same high school and he couldn't stand him.

Burgess got a 16 on the ACT. Maurice Clarrett, I believe, got around a 1200 on the SAT and did awesome in school. Now, by the numbers, which one do you think would be more likely to end up getting their school in trouble and in prison for a few years?

And that's the point ;)
 
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Good story with Prescott Burgess. And a good reality check for the neaderthal Nd fans to brag about never loosening admissions standards.

You have to do that in college football. Otherwise, you lose. It's that simple. But you don't have to just give up on standards. Some measures, like maturity or character, are very important too.

The way I look at it, even the best schools admit people with less than steller credentials (one of my friends had an 1100/1600 SATs and a GPA that wasn't approaching 4.0/4.0), but he was admitted to places like UPenn. If athletes bring something to the school that no one else can, then I say why not. Nobody admits purely on numbers anymore, so I don't understand this rhetoric about numbers and numbers only. Alums to a lot of things. Some start companies, some become leaders, some make great scientific discoveries, and some play in the NFL. Give them a shot to succeed academically, but also know that character and leadership go a long way towards successful NFL careers.
 
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Good story with Prescott Burgess. And a good reality check for the neaderthal Nd fans to brag about never loosening admissions standards.
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Well, a 16 is pretty bad. Too bad for us. So at the very least, we can say that an admission standard still exists. It doesn't matter how good a guy you are, with a 16 or a 17, you are not coming here. An 18 is the lowest we'll accept and even then, you've got to prove yourself on and especially, off the field.

But as I mentioned, nothing has changed. Whenever we do well, people start saying we sold our soul for wins by lowering the standards.. but I already cited a few guys Ty recruited who had 18s and/or low SAT scores and neither of those guys...............are any good, really. So it's not like their talent forced us to make a compromise.

Um.. another point I want to make is that schools like Notre Dame and Michigan make sure their players attend class and graduate. In addition, neither football program is bothered by off-field problems. So I think ND and Michigan do look at more than just a kid's talent, unlike say, Ohio State, Miami, USC, and FSU... which, incidentally, provide approximately 65% of their hometown's crime.
 
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Óglaigh_na_hÉireann said:
Um.. another point I want to make is that schools like Notre Dame and Michigan make sure their players attend class and graduate. In addition, neither football program is bothered by off-field problems. So I think ND and Michigan do look at more than just a kid's talent, unlike say, Ohio State, Miami, USC, and FSU... which, incidentally, provide approximately 65% of their hometown's crime.
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Oglaigh...this is true for the most part...except for certain individuals from a certain team up North who made the choice to "Spank their Monkey" in Co-Ed students windows. But other than that...
 
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you know what I am so dam tired of hearing about what other schools do wrong as far as recuiting morals whatever...they are kicking our assssssss
 
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