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Thanks for keeping me from working today guys. Good discussion.

Go irish!!!! Beat Wolverines!!! A bottle of Grey Goose and some tonic water here i come!!!
 
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WOW... I cannot believe how blind you guys are. WVU is a legit top 5 team, I don't care what anyone says on this board. Steve Slaton and Adrian Pet. are the two best backs in the country. Hands down. They beat Ga. in Ga.
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Slaton looks good, but what good defenses has he gone up against. The Big East has a lot of big name rb's this year in Rice, Lenord, Slaton, Bush, etc, and that's mainly because the defenses these guys are going up against are atrocious.

If Daruis played for WVU he too would probably rush for at least 1700 yards. Look what he did against an awful Stanford defense last year, if he played in the Big East he'd be facing a defense like Stanford's or even worse every week.

WVU doesn't even bring in top 25 talent, I know stars aren't everything, but you have to at least bring in top 25 talent if you want to be considered an elite program.

If they played in the SEC they'd be lucky to win 3 or 4 games with that talent.
 
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Exactly. Gimmick offenses work with good, not great athletes, in bad conferences. Look at Urban's offense at Utah. But you can't take an undefeated Utah from a few years ago or WVU from this year and compare them to major schools playing other major schools, with great athletes on both sides.
 
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Exactly. Gimmick offenses work with good, not great athletes, in bad conferences. Look at Urban's offense at Utah. But you can't take an undefeated Utah from a few years ago or WVU from this year and compare them to major schools playing other major schools, with great athletes on both sides.
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I guess you could call an offense run by about half of college football a gimmick. Last year's 4 BCS games were all won by teams running variation of the spread offense. O by the way the founding father of the spread offense... Rich Rodriguez at Glenville St., then at Tulane with Shaun King.

Ralph, do you even watch college football, seriously..
 
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Are you honestly going to argue that WVU and Utah didn't run gimmick offenses? Their entire offense is a gimmick. It WOULD NOT translate directly to a power conference. That's a fact. It's called having good, not great players, but better players than the rest of your conference, and then installing a gimmick offense that maximizes their ability.

WVU would be middle of the pack at best in the SEC.
 
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That would be a great Game ND-vs-WV Fiesta Bowl
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ralphwaldoemerson said:
Are you honestly going to argue that WVU and Utah didn't run gimmick offenses? Their entire offense is a gimmick. It WOULD NOT translate directly to a power conference. That's a fact. It's called having good, not great players, but better players than the rest of your conference, and then installing a gimmick offense that maximizes their ability.

WVU would be middle of the pack at best in the SEC.
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Those are two different topics ralphy boy...

WVU runs a spread offense in its truest form, like I said if its a gimmick then Ohio St., Texas, PSU(last year) all have gimmick offenses. Georgia also ran it. You really don't understand college football if you think the spread offense is a gimmick.

And if you wan't me to say WVU would have a tough time in the SEC, that's fine they would have a much more difficult time. That's the best conference in CFB. But they did beat the SEC champ in their own backyard last year, with a freshman QB and RB.
 
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lattedatte said:
Those are two different topics ralphy boy...

WVU runs a spread offense in its truest form, like I said if its a gimmick then Ohio St., Texas, PSU(last year) all have gimmick offenses. Georgia also ran it. You really don't understand college football if you think the spread offense is a gimmick.

And if you wan't me to say WVU would have a tough time in the SEC, that's fine they would have a much more difficult time. That's the best conference in CFB. But they did beat the SEC champ in their own backyard last year, with a freshman QB and RB.
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Ok, now next question-

If WVU had the same roster as, say, Florida, and ran the current WVU offense while playing an SEC schedule, how would they fare?

Your answer to this will go a long way towards showing whether or not you really get the argument. Those teams run, as you said, "variations" of the spread. What are the variations for? They're to account for the incredible SPEED of the defenses in major conference play, which can't be beat consistently by the type of offense WVU plays, regardless of the quality of the athletes in the offense. None of those teams you list play a true spread offense, because it wouldn't work in major conference play - because it's a gimmick offense.

Otherwise, why don't all the major programs use WVU's unstoppable offensive scheme?
 
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I do think WV is a good team not great, they do have a great set of backs
but!!!! I think they will lose atleast 2 games.
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ralphwaldoemerson said:
Ok, now next question-

If WVU had the same roster as, say, Florida, and ran the current WVU offense while playing an SEC schedule, how would they fare?

Your answer to this will go a long way towards showing whether or not you really get the argument. Those teams run, as you said, "variations" of the spread. What are the variations for? They're to account for the incredible SPEED of the defenses in major conference play, which can't be beat consistently by the type of offense WVU plays, regardless of the quality of the athletes in the offense. None of those teams you list play a true spread offense, because it wouldn't work in major conference play - because it's a gimmick offense.

Otherwise, why don't all the major programs use WVU's unstoppable offensive scheme?
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They run the same offense cheif. The spread offense is mainly a read offense. Shall I explain what that means? Variations refer to using what your best athletes to exploit the defenses weaknesses.

I don't understand why you think that major college teams don't run this offense.
just off the top of my head hear are some, from major conferences:
Texas, Ga, Flor, NC State, Clemson, Ohio St., ASU, Kansas(only because they are on right now), PSU(last year), Northwestern, A&M....
 
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I think you're making a semantics error. WVU does not run the same offense as any of the teams you just named. Watch the damn games and tell me that's the same offense. Who are you trying to kid?

Real conferences don't use those offenses because they DO NOT WORK against the modern athlete on defense. It's the same reason Nebraska had to quit the option. They would no longer have been able to compete nationally running the option.

"Spread offense" has become as nebulous a term as "West Coast offense." It now means nothing, because it means almost everything. None of those teams runs the offense WVU does.
 
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so now that I proved that they do run the same offense as other teams or should I say other teams run the same offense as them. you are now saying becuase they run the ball more its a gimmick? just becuase they don't pass doesn't mean they will not. go back and look when rasheed marshall was their qb they were like 60/40, at least. If you have a top two RB in the nation and a QB that runs a 4.3 you would run more as well. ralph you are just wrong on this one not me.
 
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You're right. An offense that runs 95% is the same as a balanced offense. My mistake.

Oh, also, Texas Tech runs the same offense as WVU. Everyone runs the same offense. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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I just don't get it dude, really, the pass/run split has nothing to do with what TYPE of offense you run and certainly doesn't equate to anything gimmicky....
 
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You don't think a run-all or pass-all offense is gimmicky? Really? If you wouldn't consider that a gimmick offense, what WOULD you consider one?
 
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i think they probably do what they do best more often then not how is that gimmicky
 
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But it's only best because they've recruited athletes and learned an offense specifically to be gimmicky. If a team shuts down the run against WVU, do you think they're just going to adjust and out of the blue become a passing offense? They wouldn't be able to. They're geared towards run, run, run.
 
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And just for shit and giggles:

Texas, you know the team that won the National Championship, here are their stats:

P: 325
R: 600

How many times am I going to have to prove you wrong ralph, tell me, how many..
 
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