man the way cw looked after the g tech game compaired to the penn state is unreal cw looked like he was on deaths door after the g tech game and i cant say im surprised i had the worst head ace of my life and i m just a fan but not only do i want us to win but i think we need to i hate to say it but cw isnt in good shape i dont know about his health but it cant be good i mean i looked at joe p and couldnt belive this guy has been coaching for so long it has to damn near beat you down i understand why joe p doesnt call plays and basicaly takes it easy on the side line he has to im sure this is probably a usseless thread to every one but i just wanted to hear an thoughts you guys have on this
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ralphwaldoemerson
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It's really none of our business.
But, since you asked.
Charlie, Parcells, Mangino, Friedgen - none have had to retire, none have had heart attacks that we know of. All are overweight, grossly overweight.
Randy Walker looked to be in fine shape.
In other words, there's no telling. A morbidly obese Marlon Brando lived 60 years longer than an NBA-ready Hank Gathers.
But, since you asked.
Charlie, Parcells, Mangino, Friedgen - none have had to retire, none have had heart attacks that we know of. All are overweight, grossly overweight.
Randy Walker looked to be in fine shape.
In other words, there's no telling. A morbidly obese Marlon Brando lived 60 years longer than an NBA-ready Hank Gathers.
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I like the guy, so I'm concerned; you know you are a good guy when people worry about your health.
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Bull. ND fans are only concerned about his long term health for selfish, football-related reasons.
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He's a likable guy. Are there any selfish reasons? Yeah, of course. The guy is, afterall, a pretty good football coach. But that doesn't change the human aspect.
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Sure it does. Were you worried about his health when he was coaching offense for the Pats?
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Honestly, I had never heard of him. I didn't follow the NFL then and I don't really follow it now. It just seems boring to me. Maybe when Brady is under center on Sunday, I'll find a reason to care.
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Exactly. Would it be bad for ND football if something happened to him? Of course. Disastrous. Would it be horrible for Weis and his family? Of course. But it's none of our business.
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Maybe. But it's a moral issue and I don't think I'm on the wrong side because I don't feel as though I'm on the wrong side.
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I don't like that assumption that you can only want/wish a person to be healthy because of some personal benefit. You don't need to know a person or need to rely on them for a win to wish that they live a long healthy life. In that case, I hate the cowboys but i dont actively wish a heart attack or stroke on parcels just to screw the franchise over. I think even insinuating that is rediculous
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Not really. The question is simple: if Ty Willingham were overweight as Weis is, or Bob Davie were overweight as Weis is, would anyone here be concerned with their health?
Of course not.
It's not that big a deal. Of COURSE you only care about Weis's health because his health is important to the success of the program. Denying it is ridiculous and frankly a little embarrassing. He was fatter while he was at New England. He almost died on an operating table. Where was your concern then? "Oh we hadn't heard of him. We didn't know what a good guy he was." Bull.
Isotopes, that's flawed logic. No one's saying you root for the health of your own people, and root for ill health for opponents. That's insane. But when's the last time you thought, "Man, I hope Bill Parcells slims down. If he had a heart attack it'd be awful." You've never done that, because you don't care about his health either way, either enough to wish him ill health or to be concerned about his health. And if Weis were the head coach at Rutgers, nobody here would wish him ill health, but nobody would be concerned about his health and say "Man he really looked bad." Let's use common sense here and be honest.
Of course not.
It's not that big a deal. Of COURSE you only care about Weis's health because his health is important to the success of the program. Denying it is ridiculous and frankly a little embarrassing. He was fatter while he was at New England. He almost died on an operating table. Where was your concern then? "Oh we hadn't heard of him. We didn't know what a good guy he was." Bull.
Isotopes, that's flawed logic. No one's saying you root for the health of your own people, and root for ill health for opponents. That's insane. But when's the last time you thought, "Man, I hope Bill Parcells slims down. If he had a heart attack it'd be awful." You've never done that, because you don't care about his health either way, either enough to wish him ill health or to be concerned about his health. And if Weis were the head coach at Rutgers, nobody here would wish him ill health, but nobody would be concerned about his health and say "Man he really looked bad." Let's use common sense here and be honest.
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Wow man you know me so well, It is impossible for me to wish for someone like that good health. Especially when I work at a physical therapy clinic and encounter many people who struggle with there health, many who are severly limited because of their weight issues amongst countless other ailments that leave them in some way disabled. The fact that my aunt has been through that again must leave me with an inability to look at a person as a human being and wish that their lifestyle was a bit more healthy.
In other words, your assumption that because you apparently don't have a heart no one else does. In reality however it is possible to wish for a person to be healthier. Not everyone hears some one dies of a heart attack before you say oh thats too bad and then subsequently dismiss them. Some actually care before then.
And next time you feel its necessary to question my common sense or capability of being honest with those on a blog, please feel free to restrain your comments because they are probably way, way off.
In other words, your assumption that because you apparently don't have a heart no one else does. In reality however it is possible to wish for a person to be healthier. Not everyone hears some one dies of a heart attack before you say oh thats too bad and then subsequently dismiss them. Some actually care before then.
And next time you feel its necessary to question my common sense or capability of being honest with those on a blog, please feel free to restrain your comments because they are probably way, way off.
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Yea so that's complete nonsense. You honestly expect anyone here to believe that you worry about the health of Parcells, a coach you hate? Give me a break. Obviously you don't wish him ill health, but to try to get us to believe you worry about the health of ANY and EVERY overweight coach, and not just one coaching a team you like, is an insult to the intelligence of every person here.
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Honestly, why do you guys even bother with Ralphie?
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http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673606692519/abstract
Association of bodyweight with total mortality and with cardiovascular events in coronary artery disease: a systematic review of cohort studies
Abel Romero-Corral MD a, Victor M Montori MD b, Prof Virend K Somers MD a, Josef Korinek MD a, Randal J Thomas MD a, Thomas G Allison PhD a, Farouk Mookadam MD a and Francisco Lopez-Jimenez MD
Paul Ernsberger, PhD, Case Western Reserve School of Medicine:
Extremely obese 30-year-old have 40 years of life expectancy (versus 45 years of they were thin). Thus, to actually extend lifespan the surgery must keep weight off for life. This is not likely unless new operations are done every 5 to 10 years.
At any given time, tens of millions of Americans are on weight loss diets. Most will lose weight, but 95% or more will eventually gain the weight back and some will gain back more than they lost. Cycles of weight loss and regain can be harmful. Epidemiological studies show higher than expected rates of heart attacks and deaths among "yo-yo dieters". Why does losing and regaining weight seem to raise the risk of cardiovascular disease? What is the influence of diet composition during the weight loss and relapse phases?
Our studies are directed towards answering this question by using our own genetic animal model, the SHROB rat, which is both obese and has high blood pressure. These rats have a spontaneous gene knockout for the receptor for leptin, a hormone made by fat cells that regulates appetite and metabolism. When SHROB rats are made to lose and regain weight, their blood pressure soar even higher, they become even fatter, and heart and kidney disorders are exacerbated. Future studies will unravel the hormones and neurotransmitters involved in this weight cycling syndrome, identify diets that ameliorate the syndrome, discover genes that can modify the risk factors, and extend these studies to human patients. Additional studies will seek drug therapies that correct abnormalities in obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure. See Figure 1 below ---l1-imidazoline receptor signaling pathway (From Ernsberger, et al., 1997.)
http://www.case.edu/med/nutrition/ernsberger.html
Association of bodyweight with total mortality and with cardiovascular events in coronary artery disease: a systematic review of cohort studies
Abel Romero-Corral MD a, Victor M Montori MD b, Prof Virend K Somers MD a, Josef Korinek MD a, Randal J Thomas MD a, Thomas G Allison PhD a, Farouk Mookadam MD a and Francisco Lopez-Jimenez MD
Paul Ernsberger, PhD, Case Western Reserve School of Medicine:
Extremely obese 30-year-old have 40 years of life expectancy (versus 45 years of they were thin). Thus, to actually extend lifespan the surgery must keep weight off for life. This is not likely unless new operations are done every 5 to 10 years.
At any given time, tens of millions of Americans are on weight loss diets. Most will lose weight, but 95% or more will eventually gain the weight back and some will gain back more than they lost. Cycles of weight loss and regain can be harmful. Epidemiological studies show higher than expected rates of heart attacks and deaths among "yo-yo dieters". Why does losing and regaining weight seem to raise the risk of cardiovascular disease? What is the influence of diet composition during the weight loss and relapse phases?
Our studies are directed towards answering this question by using our own genetic animal model, the SHROB rat, which is both obese and has high blood pressure. These rats have a spontaneous gene knockout for the receptor for leptin, a hormone made by fat cells that regulates appetite and metabolism. When SHROB rats are made to lose and regain weight, their blood pressure soar even higher, they become even fatter, and heart and kidney disorders are exacerbated. Future studies will unravel the hormones and neurotransmitters involved in this weight cycling syndrome, identify diets that ameliorate the syndrome, discover genes that can modify the risk factors, and extend these studies to human patients. Additional studies will seek drug therapies that correct abnormalities in obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure. See Figure 1 below ---l1-imidazoline receptor signaling pathway (From Ernsberger, et al., 1997.)
http://www.case.edu/med/nutrition/ernsberger.html
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the post was really to get your opinions on how the game of football and loseing affects some ones health leave it to ralph to twist it in to some bullshit vince you took the words right out of my mouth why do we even bother with ralphie its just like a car wreck no one wants to see but no one looks away if you read the first post ralph i included a guy ( joe p) on a team i could care less about football wise but do indeed wonder and worry about how the game effects some ones health your an ass and you love to tell others how they feal get a grip on your self ass bag ( ralphie may )
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Prove it. Find me all the posts by ND fans about Weis, worrying about his health, before he was our head coach. In fact I'd go so far as to say I hadn't seen anyone concerned with his health prospects until it became clear that he was a WINNING head coach, and was a GREAT recruiter. Which is fine and natural, but admit it, for God's sake. It's a little too obvious a thing to deny without looking silly.
Also, thanks NDXUfan for that. I agree it seems healthier to just be fat, and steady at that weight, than to keep losing but not be able to keep the weight off, which is the case for most people.
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Talking about the weight and health issues of our coach just plays into the crap they spew about him on other teams' boards. Charlie's not a dumb man. His health is really not for us to speculate about. If something arises that makes it newsworthy, that may be different. But he has his friends and family around to worry about stuff like health. He doesn't need a bunch of us bouncing it around on net boards.
Rather, we should talk about how he is going to counter Michigan's attacking defense or which blue chips he's going to land this weekend.
Let's leave his health to his family.
Rather, we should talk about how he is going to counter Michigan's attacking defense or which blue chips he's going to land this weekend.
Let's leave his health to his family.