George Zimmerman in another gun related incident.

[Cackalacky]

Let's keep it chill y'all.

To be clear as of right now, the allegations are in limbo or for several legal reasons charges may or may not be filed.

 

[Golden_Domer]

Now he doesn't even have the right to threaten his wife and father-in-law. So pathetic!

Turns out, he's not above threatening people with guns. Go figure.

You guys really need to stop jumping to conclusions. That's how the #justice4trayvon crowd got egg on their faces to begin with.

 

[Cackalacky]

Apparently O'Mara said he did have a gun on his person but did not take it out.George Zimmerman won't be charged after alleged domestic incident - CNN.com

The question of the gun became confused later when police told reporters there was no gun involved, but George Zimmerman's attorney told CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 that he believed his client had a firearm on him.

and then...

O'Mara is no longer representing him regarding this issue. Attorney Mark O'Mara drops George Zimmerman - CNN.com

WTH?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bogs, back like 3 days and already stirring the pot.

Do you honestly think so? I did not intend to stir anything. I certainly didn't try to disagree or get in opposition with or point out a shortcoming with or start a fight with, anyone. Someone pointed out that what was quoted looked one-sided. Someone else asked what that meant, and why. I pointed out an example. My post showed both sides, a representation of what happened pretty well, I thought. I just stopped here to see the latest scoop. I went on record with my feelings on GeoZim. Kind of like I feel with the Michigan game.

If in stopping and trying to explain, I am stirring the pot, I have pretty much decided I need to get out of the kitchen!

 

[Golden_Domer]

Apparently O'Mara said he did have a gun on his person but did not take it out.George Zimmerman won't be charged after alleged domestic incident - CNN.com

and then...

O'Mara is no longer representing him regarding this issue. Attorney Mark O'Mara drops George Zimmerman - CNN.com

WTH?

lol @ CNN. All O'Mara said was that he isn't representing GZ in this case. How is that "dropping" GZ? CNN said O'Mara "will no longer represent his notorious client." haha. That doesn't make sense, considering O'Mara is still representing him in other cases, just not the divorce or the domestic violence investigation (maybe he doesn't handle family/divorce law issues?). CNN getting desperate for clicks/views. Probably why O'Mara was hired by CNN as a legal analyst.

With regard to the gun thing. The Orlando Sentinel quoted Zach Hudson, the Lake Mary Police spokesman:

"We searched him... there was no weapon," Hudson said, adding later: "As of right now, a gun is not a part of the equation."

They also said police didn't search his car. So who knows if he had his gun or not at the time of the argument. Regardless, they really need to stop reporting on this until something actually happens. But that's not going to happen.

I find this story more interesting than anything that's going on w/ George right now: Trayvon Martin medical examiner fired, now wants to sue Volusia | News-JournalOnline.com

 

[SaltyND24]

1. What I (or you, for that matter) think, is irrelevant.

2. I quoted that part because it directly related to Irish Insanity's comment about it being pathetic that Zimmerman was not charged. He was not charged because the wife later took back her statement that he had threatened anyone with a gun.

Channeling my inner conspiracy brother: Maaaaaaybe deep down she really cares about him still and the way that he may be portrayed if she held to her statement...If she kept to her initial story, clearly those who sided with him during the trial would have to come to the realization that clearly he was capable and likely to have threatened TM with the gun in their altercation (w/ Pat being the first person to jump ship). I mean, if a man can threaten his own family with a gun, SURELY he would have no problem doing it to a suspicious black teenager whom he doesn't know. In her best efforts to keep his reputation, and by association her own from being hit another time, she decided her best bet was to remain silent...before she or anybody she cares about were silenced...FOR GOOD!

 

[Irish Houstonian]

...someone follows a teenager and that kid ends up being killed...

I feel like you may have left out the middle part of that story.

 

[Golden_Domer]

Channeling my inner conspiracy brother: Maaaaaaybe deep down she really cares about him still and the way that he may be portrayed if she held to her statement...If she kept to her initial story, clearly those who sided with him during the trial would have to come to the realization that clearly he was capable and likely to have threatened TM with the gun in their altercation (w/ Pat being the first person to jump ship). I mean, if a man can threaten his own family with a gun, SURELY he would have no problem doing it to a suspicious black teenager whom he doesn't know. In her best efforts to keep his reputation, and by association her own from being hit another time, she decided her best bet was to remain silent...before she or anybody she cares about were silenced...FOR GOOD!

Ooooor (channeling my inner legal analyst): You're both wrong (along w/ some media outlets reporting she decided not to press charges) because it's up to the cops/state's attorney to decide whether charges should be brought in domestic violence cases.

Occam's razor, my friend.

 

[SaltyND24]

Ooooor (channeling my inner legal analyst): You're both wrong (along w/ some media outlets reporting she decided not to press charges) because it's up to the cops/state's attorney to decide whether charges should be brought in domestic violence cases.

Occam's razor, my friend.

Oooooor I could've put it in italics, would that have helped you out sir?

 

[Golden_Domer]

Oooooor I could've put it in italics, would that have helped you out sir?

I know you post was in jest, but my point was still worth making, just for clarification.

 

[Redbar]

1. What I (or you, for that matter) think, is irrelevant.

2. I quoted that part because it directly related to Irish Insanity's comment about it being pathetic that Zimmerman was not charged. He was not charged because the wife later took back her statement that he had threatened anyone with a gun.

As I understand things, she did not back away from her statement that he threatened them with a gun, she said, "she did not see the gun," there is a difference. She said,"He's in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun, and he's saying, 'Step closer.' He's just threatening all of us with his firearm," she said. Further, the cops did not find a gun, but they did not search his car because he could lawfully have a gun there. That doesn't mean there was no threatening with a gun.

I agree with most that at this point there is nothing here, but I also believe Mr. Zimmerman is very good at staying just on his side of the law.

 

[Redbar]

Bump.

George has now been arrested for pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend. Not the estranged wife from a couple of months ago. Didn't think I needed to make a third thread about this moron and the people he has pointed guns at.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

It's seriously going to take video proof of this man blowing someone's head off before some people get it.

 

[Domina Nostra]

It's seriously going to take video proof of this man blowing someone's head off before some people get it.

LOL. I hear what you are saying, but let's keep the two strings untanggled.

First of all, you do need PROOF. The issue when Zimmerman was in court was not the state of the man's soul (thank God), but the proof available to the prosecutor.

Second, I have no idea what kind of guy Zimmerman is, but don't you think it's at least possible that his being threatened daily, being forced into hiding, and being called a racist murderer for over a year on every TV station in America COULD POTENTIALLY have pushed the guy over the top? He may not be the man he was two years ago. All his neighbors, including black neighbors, thought he was a nice helpful guy.

The problem with all of these issues is that they are treated as so black or white. "See, the President is an idiot!" "See, the president is the most intelliegent man to ever hold office."

Here, instead of asking whether there was sufficient proof to prosecute the man of murder (instead of, say, manslaughter), the question becomes "George Zimmerman, good or bad. Decide now."

That is a very different question in my mind.

If Zimmerman turns out to be a wacko, that has nothing to do with whether there was evidence in front of the court that he murdered someone.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

i hope his girlfriend is white so he'll finally do some time.

 

[GoIrish41]

Bump.

George has now been arrested for pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend. Not the estranged wife from a couple of months ago. Didn't think I needed to make a third thread about this moron and the people he has pointed guns at.

In fairness, she was probably wearing a hoodie and "up to no good." This guy is a menace.

 

[anarin]

LOL. I hear what you are saying, but let's keep the two strings untanggled.

First of all, you do need PROOF. The issue when Zimmerman was in court was not the state of the man's soul (thank God), but the proof available to the prosecutor.

Second, I have no idea what kind of guy Zimmerman is, but don't you think it's at least possible that his being threatened daily, being forced into hiding, and being called a racist murderer for over a year on every TV station in America COULD POTENTIALLY have pushed the guy over the top? He may not be the man he was two years ago. All his neighbors, including black neighbors, thought he was a nice helpful guy.

The problem with all of these issues is that they are treated as so black or white. "See, the President is an idiot!" "See, the president is the most intelliegent man to ever hold office."

Here, instead of asking whether there was sufficient proof to prosecute the man of murder (instead of, say, manslaughter), the question becomes "George Zimmerman, good or bad. Decide now."

That is a very different question in my mind.

If Zimmerman turns out to be a wacko, that has nothing to do with whether there was evidence in front of the court that he murdered someone.

Omg shut up!!! You make way too much sense.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

LOL. I hear what you are saying, but let's keep the two strings untanggled.

First of all, you do need PROOF. The issue when Zimmerman was in court was not the state of the man's soul (thank God), but the proof available to the prosecutor.

Second, I have no idea what kind of guy Zimmerman is, but don't you think it's at least possible that his being threatened daily, being forced into hiding, and being called a racist murderer for over a year on every TV station in America COULD POTENTIALLY have pushed the guy over the top? He may not be the man he was two years ago. All his neighbors, including black neighbors, thought he was a nice helpful guy.

The problem with all of these issues is that they are treated as so black or white. "See, the President is an idiot!" "See, the president is the most intelliegent man to ever hold office."

Here, instead of asking whether there was sufficient proof to prosecute the man of murder (instead of, say, manslaughter), the question becomes "George Zimmerman, good or bad. Decide now."

That is a very different question in my mind.

If Zimmerman turns out to be a wacko, that has nothing to do with whether there was evidence in front of the court that he murdered someone.

my only argument with this point, is he WAS in a gun related incident where someone--an innocent minor--was killed. he was acquitted, but he was still in that scenario, under his own volition--before the "media has made him in to the monster he is now".

come the **** on! this guy now has 3 police related incidences since his acquittal. two of which involving a call to 911 and involving destruction of property, intimidation and a gun.

the only question now, HOW ****ing dumb is this new girlfriend to A: enter this relationship with this POS? and B: get impregnated by him? again, i hope she's white so he'll finally do some time.

 

[irishpat183]

Non story. People are just looking for something to stick to this idiot.

Like OJ.

People are even reporting minor traffic violations, for godsakes. The media is after this guy.

His best bet is to go on a long vaca after he sues the **** outta MSNBC for their slamming of him before they got their facts straight.


Go away GZ, you're only hurting yourself.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Non story. People are just looking for something to stick to this idiot.

Like OJ.

People are even reporting minor traffic violations, for godsakes. The media is after this guy.

His best bet is to go on a long vaca after he sues the **** outta MSNBC for their slamming of him before they got their facts straight.


Go away GZ, you're only hurting yourself.

and other people....

 

[GoIrish41]

Non story. People are just looking for something to stick to this idiot.

Like OJ.

People are even reporting minor traffic violations, for godsakes. The media is after this guy.

His best bet is to go on a long vaca after he sues the **** outta MSNBC for their slamming of him before they got their facts straight.


Go away GZ, you're only hurting yourself.

Yea it is MSNBC's fault that he keeps pointing guns at people and threatening them.

 

[irishpat183]

Yea it is MSNBC's fault that he keeps pointing guns at people and threatening them.

Traffic stops are relevant, how?


And it's their fault they threw this guy under the bus before they had any facts in the TM case.


Besides, like with the wife, there is more to these stories. There was no gun. She lied.

He needs to stay outta the news, though. If this latest case is true, then he should be prosecuted.

And he needs to stay away from women. They don't help this situation.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

And he needs to stay away from women. They don't help this situation.

He doesn't help his own situation...

 

[irishpat183]

He doesn't help his own situation...

That goes without saying.

When you're in the spotlight, and the media and public mob is looking for payback because THEY looked like fools when calling for your head, you need to stay outta the spolight

 

[Domina Nostra]

my only argument with this point, is he WAS in a gun related incident where someone--an innocent minor--was killed. he was acquitted, but he was still in that scenario, under his own volition--before the "media has made him in to the monster he is now".

come the **** on! this guy now has 3 police related incidences since his acquittal. two of which involving a call to 911 and involving destruction of property, intimidation and a gun.

the only question now, HOW ****ing dumb is this new girlfriend to A: enter this relationship with this POS? and B: get impregnated by him? again, i hope she's white so he'll finally do some time.

But he also had zero incidents, as far as I know, before the incident occured. The only issue I ever heard of was pushing an undercover cop who was arresting his friend, or something like that... That seems relevant to me, if true. It says he has recently lost it and has become stressed-out, crazy "Gun Guy."

As far as your "white" remark, I think that is why people become so defensive in these conversations. Just like reflexive racism that blames black people for everything is dangerous, the apparent desire to believe the racial narrative that gets instantly superimposed on all of these stories also seems dangerous to a lot of people.

The guy is of mixed decent, lived in a mixed neighborhood, went into business with a black guy, volunteered with black kids, yet is still lumped into some giant psychological conspiracy against African-Americans. That kind of easy, catch-all way of understanding things frustrates people.

I don't need to hear it implied that I am racist simply because I disagree with you that the facts of the case don't add up to murder, instead of just agreeing that Zimmerman was gunning for black kids and that black kids can't get justice.

 

[GoIrish41]

Traffic stops are relevant, how?


And it's their fault they threw this guy under the bus before they had any facts in the TM case.


Besides, like with the wife, there is more to these stories. There was no gun. She lied.

He needs to stay outta the news, though. If this latest case is true, then he should be prosecuted.

And he needs to stay away from women. They don't help this situation.

Agreed. Best way to do that is stop pointing guns at people.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He is having a kid? Oh, my! I was looking for a picture of a vagina with an baby arm sticking out holding a cheap 9mm, but that is a difficult find, and it probably wouldn't make it past sensorship.

I took a lot of shiit for calling this guy defective early in the whole trial thing. So I will share.

Defend this guy and some of his bull shiit will rub off on you. I mean sensible people will nod their heads politely and just walk away.

Because, from my experience we had people like this (never met one until I joined the service.) And then I only saw a couple. They are a rare breed.

No matter how great of guys they were, (and some were quite likeable):

1) Don't stand near them.
2) Always keep them in plain view, unless you can put a poured concrete wall between you and them.
3) Never go out with them.
4) If you get a call to rally to one of your buddies aid, make sure it isn't them.
5) Don't ever address them by first name, or buy them any food.
6) Always know whether they are armed or if there are guns around. (Filling out the unauthorized discharge [friendly fire] paperwork is a b1tch.)
7) Put them out front in battle. First skirmish line. (Filling out the unauthorized discharge [friendly fire] paperwork is a b1tch.)
8) Keep them away from fellow Marines after battle or training exercises. (Filling out the unauthorized discharge [friendly fire] paperwork is a b1tch.)

There may be more, but this is all I can remember. This guy will never be out of trouble.

 

[irishpat183]

Agreed. Best way to do that is stop pointing guns at people.

But you still haven't addressed the media jumping all over traffic violations....waiting....

 

[UmphreakDomer]

But he also had zero incidents, as far as I know, before the incident occured. The only issue I ever heard of was pushing an undercover cop who was arresting his friend, or something like that... That seems relevant to me, if true. It says he has recently lost it and has become stressed-out, crazy "Gun Guy."

As far as your "white" remark, I think that is why people become so defensive in these conversations. Just like reflexive racism that blames black people for everything is dangerous, the apparent desire to believe the racial narrative that gets instantly superimposed on all of these stories also seems dangerous to a lot of people.

The guy is of mixed decent, lived in a mixed neighborhood, went into business with a black guy, volunteered with black kids, yet is still lumped into some giant psychological conspiracy against African-Americans. That kind of easy, catch-all way of understanding things frustrates people.

I don't need to hear it implied that I am racist simply because I disagree with you that the facts of the case don't add up to murder, instead of just agreeing that Zimmerman was gunning for black kids and that black kids can't get justice.

i don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection. or even the argument that had Martin had a gun himself his death could've been avoided. the NRA wants to arm white people for protection. but the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide. please. race is extremely relevant to this case. especially in Florida.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

But you still haven't addressed the media jumping all over traffic violations....waiting....

in my opinion--it points to his "above the law" attitude, brought on and amplified by getting away with murder.