let's all have some tre$$el humor

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I know it would be impossible for any school to get a player out of any ncaa infractions like what bomar did,but
what if smith was in the same prediciment?
suspension from practice for a week?

 

[Pete]

They would probably pull a Bobby Bowden, "We punished, privately. Just 'cause you don't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. We made him run stairs at 6 in the morning."

 

[Subway Alum - MA]

Which stairs? How many times? Probably the six or seven that lead to the cafeteria - in and out before and after breakfast? Not too early though and not on the weekend. Don't want to run in to Alex Boone looking for a cup or two of black coffee after returning from an evening of partying in downtown Columbus!

Subway Alum - MA
ND Fan Since '52

 

[scooper]

As much as I dislike the Buckeyes, Smith's one time $500 gift, while wrong, was nowhere near the severity of Bomar's infraction. The difference in the dollar amounts and time span are extreme.

 

[GChild]

How about Alex Boone getting into a wreck and getting a DUI, but won't miss a game. RPN missed the rest of the season, like 6-7 games, for similar situation, and he didn't get into a wreck!

 

[scooper]

How about Alex Boone getting into a wreck and getting a DUI, but won't miss a game. RPN missed the rest of the season, like 6-7 games, for similar situation, and he didn't get into a wreck!

Yeah, that's pretty crappy.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

How about Alex Boone getting into a wreck and getting a DUI, but won't miss a game. RPN missed the rest of the season, like 6-7 games, for similar situation, and he didn't get into a wreck!

I probably never would have started this thread as a joke had that not happened.On another board a few were ragging tOSU fans about that situation and i just replied with a "why don't we just ask RPN what punishment boone should recieve"
brutus-pink-eye fans didn't want to hear that.

 

[irish4life99]

How about Alex Boone getting into a wreck and getting a DUI, but won't miss a game. RPN missed the rest of the season, like 6-7 games, for similar situation, and he didn't get into a wreck!

And RPN wasn't a minor like Boone,

But according to Ohio's AD he is under double secret probation. The punishment if not at all visable, is to be quite sever. No after dinner desert for a week is my guess.

 

[punishment]

I realize that ND usually only recruits quality kids, but does anyone ever worry that a recruit might see the difference in punishments and ask themselves "what kind of boot camp are they running out there where there is no leniency for mistakes?"

Even a good kid could be slightly worried by something like this, because everyone slips at some point. Regardless of how perfect you think you are.

 

[BigIrish]

Even a good kid could be slightly worried by something like this, because everyone slips at some point. Regardless of how perfect you think you are.

when you recruit good kids, they're the type of kids that aren't looking to hedge their bets for when they get in trouble. they're not the type of kids that expect to get in trouble. granted, it doesn't always pan out that way, but all the same...

 

[jiggafini19]

When you're 18-23 years old, mistakes will be made.

Just ask RPN, Eric Chappell, Jarvis Edison, Lee Becton, Ray Zellars, Derrick Mayes and Kinnon Tatum.

 

[KMac151993]

When you're 18-23 years old, mistakes will be made.

Just ask RPN, Eric Chappell, Jarvis Edison, Lee Becton, Ray Zellars, Derrick Mayes and Kinnon Tatum.

Some very solid players on that list.

 

[VictorsValiant]

Ok, let me set things straight.

Tressel is dirty. There is overwhelming evidence. His players get in trouble and boosters are close. Maurice Clarett was only the tip of the iceberg. Some player gets busted drunk driving, and he gets a "warning." My understanding of his discipline policy is that he gives out one "warning" before any punitive actions. That means you get one free pass to do something dispicable. Tressel was also dirty at Youngstown St., where he committed numerous violations.

OSU knew what they were getting when they hired Tressel. A great coach, but also a dirty one. They knew about his track record, and he's shown no sign of cleaning house. They had to make a choice, and they chose winning over morals.

I hate to be cynical, but the NCAA is more lenient with bigger programs. Why? Simple: the money. If one of these big programs was busted, it would be a coup on ratings. That's why the OK infraction must have been so obvious and unavoidable, that OK would do such a thing. The NCAA protects big name programs, like it or not. That's why they don't do anything to hurt OSU football, but they sure can impose sanctions on OSU basketball because they're expendible.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I live in Bexley, which is an incredibly rich suburb of Columbus. I'm middle-class, but I know plenty of kids whose parents are millionaires.. I can think of one billionaire that owns a home about a half-mile from where I live.

Ohio $tate has a dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, sports program. Think Rhett Bomar is bad? Ha!!!!! You have no idea what kind of shit is pulled down here.

The boosters are very close to the team, as you said VictorsValiant, but the families are even closer. They 'take care' of their boys---I'll leave it at that. I guess that's what happens when you have too much money and nothing to do with it.. you try to get involved with the local celebrities. The only problem is that in Columbus, they are of the 18-22 year-old variety.

I know of a couple NCAA violations.. some involving one Mr. Troy "I'm uncomfortable in the pocket" Smith. But I'd never say a word. Notre Dame needs programs like Ohio $tate; there can be no good without evil.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I realize that ND usually only recruits quality kids, but does anyone ever worry that a recruit might see the difference in punishments and ask themselves "what kind of boot camp are they running out there where there is no leniency for mistakes?"

Even a good kid could be slightly worried by something like this, because everyone slips at some point. Regardless of how perfect you think you are.

that's a good point,but the school really doesn't want them anyway.
the holtz days are over at the golden dome and one bad apple could realy get the school in trouble.

It's really bad what happened to RPN last year and look at all the money it cost him going to the pros,but it was for the better,it sent a message that if you want to play here that type of behavior will not be tolerated.
yes it could cost some top prospects in the future,but think about the consequences.

look,oklahoma put all their stock in bomar this year and now it could be questionable if they even keep their top 10 ranking.If they do it's only because of respect in the coaches for what stoops did and they probably won't be ranked in the top 10 for long.They just don't have the backup quarterback to get the job done.

I watched the 1980 holiday bowl today on cstv.I was sitting there wondering how much money craig james and eric dickerson got paid to go to smu.I'm also wondering if smu will be a name in football again.
i don't think anything that strict would be put upon notre dame,but i still don't want people saying "just because you're notre dame...you can get away with murder"

notre dame has always had a target on their backs,but now it could be bigger then ever.

 

[jiggafini19]

Some very solid players on that list.

They sure are. Just ask Kim Dunbar.

Every one of those guys had a lapse in judgement.

(Help me out here BGIF...)

Chappell sold his alloted game tickets for profit. The other four were "involved" with Ms. Dunbar and took various gifts from her.

Maybe they knew they were doing wrong, maybe they didn't, but it was a lapse in judgement either way. Tough to say whether they were "bad" kids.

Alex Boone had offers from both Notre Dame and Michigan, if anyone happened to wonder.

 

[CharlotteND]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2544467

Out for the whole year? I'd hate to see what you have to do at OSU for you to get kicked off the team for the year!

 

[OSU_Fan14]

The boosters are very close to the team, as you said VictorsValiant, but the families are even closer. They 'take care' of their boys---I'll leave it at that. I guess that's what happens when you have too much money and nothing to do with it.. you try to get involved with the local celebrities. The only problem is that in Columbus, they are of the 18-22 year-old variety.

so, if the parents are rich, they're not allowed to give their kids money becuase it will look to suspicious? Unless i'm interpereting it wrong, thats how i see it. You never got any money from your parents when you went to college or got older?

I know of a couple NCAA violations.. some involving one Mr. Troy "I'm uncomfortable in the pocket" Smith. But I'd never say a word. Notre Dame needs programs like Ohio $tate; there can be no good without evil.

How do you know? Im not being sarcastic or anything, i'm just curious on how you know? Through the grapevine or are you an "insider" of some sort? And evil? why is it that you can sit here and bash tressel but complain or absolutely disregard anything bad someone says about weis. "its just that people are jealous of weis and ND", ya im sure thats it.

 

[scooper]

Well, this is an ND board. Whose side do you expect him to take?

 

[VictorsValiant]

Having a clean and disciplined program isn't going to hurt you per se, since players are going to programs that will prepare them (and feature them) for the NFL. It's all about making it to the pros. Do you blame them? Since ND is on tv a lot, that creates exposure, and winning will increase your NFL stock. However, having a clean program that loses is always, well, a loser. Also, keep in mind that many well-intentioned parents want their kids to go to good programs for discipline and good schools for education. Sometimes that is a factor, sometimes it's not (Thaddeus Gibson's mom wanted him to come to Michigan, but he chose OSU)

 

[BigIrish]

Having a clean and disciplined program isn't going to hurt you per se, since players are going to programs that will prepare them (and feature them) for the NFL. It's all about making it to the pros. Do you blame them? Since ND is on tv a lot, that creates exposure, and winning will increase your NFL stock. However, having a clean program that loses is always, well, a loser. Also, keep in mind that many well-intentioned parents want their kids to go to good programs for discipline and good schools for education. Sometimes that is a factor, sometimes it's not (Thaddeus Gibson's mom wanted him to come to Michigan, but he chose OSU)

good point. if ND got every kid whose PARENTS wanted him to come, we'd be winning national championships left and right.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

so, if the parents are rich, they're not allowed to give their kids money becuase it will look to suspicious? Unless i'm interpereting it wrong, thats how i see it. You never got any money from your parents when you went to college or got older?

lol, no, that's not what I was trying to say.

I'm saying that the alumni aren't so much the problem, it's people who are too rich for their own good and who want to come into contact with the local celebrities---the football players---and so, they give them gifts.

How do you know? Im not being sarcastic or anything, i'm just curious on how you know? Through the grapevine or are you an "insider" of some sort?

Yeah, I guess you could say I have a little inside information. I won't give myself too much credit, though, a lot of this stuff is very obvious when you're friends with kids whose parents are part of the 'gift-giving' scandal.

why is it that you can sit here and bash tressel but complain or absolutely disregard anything bad someone says about weis. "its just that people are jealous of weis and ND", ya im sure thats it.

Well, I don't think I made any comment about Jim Tressel in this thread and I don't hear many constructive criticisms of Charlie Weis. Pretty much the only bad things I hear about him concern his weight and don't get me wrong, I think it's a serious issue, particularly after Randy Walker died. It's scary, it really is. I think that the health of a human being has to be taken seriously and so when Penn State fans decide to take the initiative in making jokes about his weight with the typical 'go eat another big mac' comments, I get a bit pissed off and disregard everything they say.

 

[OSU_Fan14]

lol, no, that's not what I was trying to say.

I'm saying that the alumni aren't so much the problem, it's people who are too rich for their own good and who want to come into contact with the local celebrities---the football players---and so, they give them gifts.

oooo, i got it....i've never been to the suburbs, i heard they are rich tho, like upper arlington.

Yeah, I guess you could say I have a little inside information. I won't give myself too much credit, though, a lot of this stuff is very obvious when you're friends with kids whose parents are part of the 'gift-giving' scandal.

same as above, i dont know what it's like....so i cant comment on families. i assumed you were referring to the parents actual kids, not the kids in general. so i might owe you and apology, but hey..i gotta defend my team

Well, I don't think I made any comment about Jim Tressel in this thread and I don't hear many constructive criticisms of Charlie Weis. Pretty much the only bad things I hear about him concern his weight and don't get me wrong, I think it's a serious issue, particularly after Randy Walker died. It's scary, it really is. I think that the health of a human being has to be taken seriously and so when Penn State fans decide to take the initiative in making jokes about his weight with the typical 'go eat another big mac' comments, I get a bit pissed off and disregard everything they say.

by "you" i meant ND fans. bad choice of words on my part. but i also think it's stupid to make fun of someone's health or condition. it can be very serious, like you said. i'm just saying that when the situation w/ the clemson player came up....a lot of ND fans said the kid was wrong and charlie wouldnt do anything like that. yet, they sit back and bash tressel for "dirty recruiting" that hasnt ever been suggested by anyone of any importance.


how many days until football season starts

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

how many days until football season starts

Wow, OSU_Fan14, you sound like a pretty decent guy. When does the season start? ND plays Georgia Tech on September 2nd, but I believe the first games of the season are at the end of this month!

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

a lot of ND fans said the kid was wrong and charlie wouldnt do anything like that. yet, they sit back and bash tressel for "dirty recruiting" that hasnt ever been suggested by anyone of any importance.

Practically all ND fans that use messageboards like this one follow recruiting and the majority of the denials were coming from the internet---but there was good reason for it.

Only a week or so before that article was released the University of South Carolina's biggest committment---a 5* cornerback named Gary Gray---decommitted from USC and opened up his recruitment to ND and USC. I cannot ellaborate on how pissed off South Carolina's fans were and how much they felt cheated now that people were starting to think he might end up in South Bend.

So I think it was a 'yellow journalism' situation where the newspaper saw a demand for anti-ND news and that's where Clemson's Jamie Cumbie came in. I honestly think that Cumbie thought the article would never make it out of the state of South Carolina, so he basically trash-talked ND's recruiting approach.

Unfortunately for him it did get out of South Carolina and landed right on Charlie Weis' desk. So Cumbie 'adjusted' his words and pretty much took everything back.

You don't owe an apology, I see where you're coming from, and besides, it's nice to have different perspectives on the board. Where in Ohio are you from, anyway?

 

[Subway Alum - MA]

O$U Fan. Did you read the Jamie Cumbie story? Did you read Coach Weis's response? Did you read the followup, which basically amounted to a retraction in which the athlete, his mother and the Clemson sports information director apologized. Cumbie retracted his comment that Notre Dame used "negative recruiting" and stated that it was a poor choice of words.
When all was said and done, what tactics did the Notre Dame coaching staff utilize in the recruiting of Jamie Cumbie last year? First, they compared the positives and negatives of attending Notre Dame with Clemson. Certainly, enough schools - especially those in the South - are quick to use the adverse weather conditions and the strict academic standards against Notre Dame. Why was it "negative" for Notre Dame to compare the quality of its education to one received at Clemson? Second, Jamie Cumbie indicated that Notre Dame continued to recruit him even after he had verbally committed to Clemson. Coach Weis has stated openly that he will continue to recruit players Notre Dame is interested in who have committed to other schools unless they tell him not to do so. How many of these 17- and 18-year old young men ultimately change their minds and de-commit, a trend that has been increasingly in recent years. Commitments are not binding until L.O.I. Day in February. I don't remember anyone speaking out in the past when Notre Dame coaching staffs were not as aggressive as this one has proven to be, and lost recrits - much to our dismay.
Finally, both AD White and Coach Weis have character clauses written into their contracts, whereby they can be immediately terminated for a violation. There may be others, but I'm not aware of any other major college coach who has a similar requirement?

Subway Alum - MA
ND Fan Since '52

 

[OSU_Fan14]

Wow, OSU_Fan14, you sound like a pretty decent guy. When does the season start? ND plays Georgia Tech on September 2nd, but I believe the first games of the season are at the end of this month!

thanks....all this is building up for one great season. i have so much respect for this board and most of its members. everyone is passionate for ND football and ND in general, and you cant dislike that.

You don't owe an apology, I see where you're coming from, and besides, it's nice to have different perspectives on the board. Where in Ohio are you from, anyway?

it's nice to provide that different perspective. I dont currently live in Ohio, but i used to live in Youngstown. I still have family there.