Clausen's recruiting impact question

[lattedatte]

What is everyone's thought on how it has gone so far. My observation's are that Kamara and Ragone referenced Jimmy as reasons for committing. And the Increased national exposure. However, I believe that it may be hurting us with some recruits. With Jimmy getting all of the attention(like being called the Lebron James of HS football) I think some of these kids are maybe showing some jealousy and hesitent to commit. Some of these kids want to be the man and no matter what, until Jimmy proves himself otherwise, they will be second fiddle to Jimmy. Benn has been asked numerous times about Jimmy and while he has had some good things to say, they haven't been on par with analyst speculation. And you can't ignore the fact that recent prospects haven't been committing. I want to make it clear that I don't blame jimmy in the least for this, from everything ive seen and heard he is as humble as a kid could be in the circumstance. Thought's?

 

[jiggafini19]

It's almost August. They have 8 verbals. They have 6 months to get 17 more.

Only when asked directly about Clausen did Kumara and Ragone mention Clausen.


What can of examples of jelaousy and hesitation to commit do you have in regards to this? Marc Tyler? With his shoddy grades?

Signing day is in 6 months. Who have they lost recently? Speculation on Wilson and Miller does not count.

 

[Indydomer]

How can having the best talent at qb in the last 10 years hurt. Everyone is failing to realize that we would have had no chance with most of these kids 3 years ago. The tide has turned fellas, the talent will come. Benn is arguably the best or second best wr in the nation. He is taking his time.

Chill, Its all good.

 

[scooper]

The Clausen effect is way overplayed...both positively and negatively . Ultimately, each kid will make the decision that he feels is right for him.

 

[lattedatte]

I just think the hype that surrounds Jimmy doesn't always have a positive impact in recruiting. Does anybody remember the last time someone was this hyped??? How well were we able to recruit other difference makers once he jumped on board? We had Jamba Juice man for a while but that was about it. I completely disagree with the notion that this doesn't enter into the mind of prospects when deciding on where to go. I think some of these guys are THE man in high school and wan't to THE man in college.

 

[scooper]

I just think the hype that surrounds Jimmy doesn't always have a positive impact in recruiting. Does anybody remember the last time someone was this hyped??? How well were we able to recruit other difference makers once he jumped on board? We had Jamba Juice man for a while but that was about it. I completely disagree with the notion that this doesn't enter into the mind of prospects when deciding on where to go. I think some of these guys are THE man in high school and wan't to THE man in college.

Which is EXACTLY why USC has had soooooo much trouble getting top recruits. They want to be THE MAN. Not share the spotlight with other top players.

Clausen is not hurting recruiting. This is an assinine assumption.

 

[CharlotteND]

On top of what scooper said, it's not like ND doesn't have enough spotlight to accomodate more than one "the man". We've had three of the most profiled players this summer in all of CF in Quinn, Zibby, and Samardzija.

 

[lattedatte]

To compare anyone at USC(or any other recruit) to Jimmy is assinine. Who at USC was called the lebron james of high school football? People in California are comparing him to John Elway for hype!! I can't remember a spot on Sportscenter dedicated to recruiting anybody at USC, in APRIL!!

 

[jiggafini19]

What proof does anyone have that Clausen is hurting recruiting in any way, shape or form? Give me quotes, links, whatever.

Unless a kid plays QB, why would Clausen's presence intimidate him? If a kid that doesn't play QB or plays DEFENSE wants to be the top recruit in his class, then he's an asshole and we're better off without selfish jerkoffs like that. Who the hell cares about being the highest rated recruit or "the man."

All you should want to do is win. Period. If Clausen makes a DB or an offensive guard jealous, tough shit for them. They're probably idiots if they think that way.

Anything and everything about Clausen is starting to get very old for me. He's a senior in high school and adults in athletic media markets are saturating us with information about him. Grown men who work as sportswriters are taking shots at him, his family and Notre Dame.

Sick of it.

 

[scooper]

To compare anyone at USC(or any other recruit) to Jimmy is assinine. Who at USC was called the lebron james of high school football? People in California are comparing him to John Elway for hype!! I can't remember a spot on Sportscenter dedicated to recruiting anybody at USC, in APRIL!!

Dear God, you are kidding me. Wow. OK, how about comparing a certain USC RB to Gayle Sayers. Or last year's team being called the greatest ever before they even played their bowl game. Or dueling Heisman candidates on one team. Or recruiting classes with more stars than a planetarium. USC is the epitome of hype right now.

This has got to be a flame. Is it? I can't believe I got sucked in.

If not, as jigg said, show one just one tiny shread of evidence of JC hurting recruiting because players are afraid of not being "the man."

 

[lattedatte]

Jigga I completely agree, this kid is under the microscope when he goes to burger king for lunch, Starbucks for a mocha frappachino, everthing. I'm not able to substantiate my thoughts in anyway other than the fact that we haven't had any recent recruits enthusiastically jump on board and site Jimmy as the reason. I personally think we will end up having a great class maybe no. one. The reason why I like this site so much is we can generally have conversation about anything and everything ND. It's slow, so why not approach the topic of how we think Jimmy's announcement has affected recruiting? I'm not putting the blame in anyway on any commit, especially Jimmy. I think this kid is special, very special.

 

[jiggafini19]

Here's my idea as to why there have been a lack of verbals lately:

1. It's late July. Signing Day is early February. Some guys are going to decide when they are damn good and ready.

2. Guys want to take their visits, maybe even all 5, before they decide. Some of them genuinely do not know where they want to go. Why people are freaking about about Wilson and Hughes visiting Illinois is beyond me. It is about two hours from where they live on the South Side.

3. Some of them are waiting on grades and test scores. ND Admissions + "conditional" offers = Waiting game.

Clausen's effect, positive or negative, or lack thereof on recruiting is a highly overrated variable. He talks to Benn, he talks to Gray, he talks to Little, he probably still talks to Tyler and I'm sure he's talking to other guys.

It is the job of the coaching staff to represent the school and fill the class with players needed to fill the depth chart as they see fit. Recruits are not responsible for recruiting other players.

 

[lattedatte]

Dear God, you are kidding me. Wow. OK, how about comparing a certain USC RB to Gayle Sayers. Or last year's team being called the greatest ever before they even played their bowl game. Or dueling Heisman candidates on one team. Or recruiting classes with more stars than a planetarium. USC is the epitome of hype right now.

None of these claims were made during recruiting, that's what I'm referring to. Of course USC recent success will drive hype. I never thought this would cuase such a stir. If any admin wants to delete this thread, fine. But I will repeat, I'm NOT BLAMING JIMMY!!!!!!! If you don't think high school players care about being the man, then that is fine. I think ego's play a bigger role than everyone thinks. I played college football and trust me being recognized as 'The Man' is big and I played D II ball.

 

[scooper]

Fine, I'll take a step back. Jimmy has nothing to do with why things have slowed down. That has never been said or even insinuated. The slowdown of commits is for other reasons. For example-it's late July. They have almost half a year before signing day. Many of them are in camps of their own. Most are still looking at other schools-as is their right.

We are ND fans here. The choice, to us is obvious. But these are kids looking to make a huge decision that will affect the next four years as well as the rest of their lives. There are many many factors both long term and short term to consider....

Academics
..Can I get in? Can I succeed?
..Is ND the best school for my chosen major?
..Is it the right place for my career should football not be in my long term future?
..Do I like the staff at my prospective college?

College Football
..Can we win?
..Will I enjoy playing there?
..Do I fit their style or do they fit mine?
..Do I like the guys on the team?
..When can I expect playing time?
..How hard will/should I work?
..Do I like the facilities?

Pro Football
..Is the scheme right one to prepare me?
..What track record does this program have in putting out pros at my position?
..Long term draft history of the school?
..Recent draft history?

Social and location
..Will I fit in and get along with other students?
..How far will I be from existing friends and my family?
..What is there to do around here?
..Am I comfortable in this setting?
..What about the weather?

These are just a few of the questions that recruits have to answer about every school that they are considering. Cook them all together and you get the motives behind choosing one school or another.

Sure Clausen can fit into this equation. But not nearly as much as the hype suggest-good or bad. I like to give these kids more credit than that. They are making the best decision for them based on the above factors and many many more.

 

[jiggafini19]

I played college football and trust me being recognized as 'The Man' is big and I played D II ball.

In I-AA, at least where I come from, that's selfish. Nothing more.

More than that, it's ignorant. What can "The Man' do without the "other" 10 guys on the field.

I doubt the guys who think this is a big deal are very popular in the locker room. I'd assume not have them in mine.

 

[rontdtarchala]

Agreed Jigga, I just don't see one recruite influencing one way or the other in a major way. Good players want to play with and against equally good players. "But there are a meriad of reasons a recruite will choose any individual university. I think I've heard the phrase "the best fit for me" used more this year than any before...please keep in mind that I am also (due to most of you) far more informed than in previous years...

By the way, I am not completely sure that this is a good thing...it sure makes for a lot of anxiety!....

 

[jiggafini19]

If there is a kid sitting out there right now that is jealous of the attention Clausen is receiving and won't consider ND because of it, I'm sorry to say that kid is a moron. I know this is all perception and hypothetical thinking, but that is rotten truth. They're morons.

As a receiver or RB, there is no reason why you wouldn't want to play with a QB like this. As an O Lineman, you're underappreciated anyway so there is no difference. If you play defense and you're jealous of a QB recruit on the other side of the ball, you're a total idiot.

Again, we don't need these guys if that is how they think. If Tyler picked SC because he didn't want to "lurk in Clausen's shadow" anymore, good for him. Personally, I think that opinion is one fabricated by adults that don't know anything about the situation anyway. Tyler CHOSE to live with the Clausens and play for Oaks Christian. He could easily live somewhere else or go to another school. But if Tyler doesn't want to be linked to Clausen anymore, fine.

He's got Aaron Corp at SC.

 

[lattedatte]

In I-AA, at least where I come from, that's selfish. Nothing more.

More than that, it's ignorant. What can "The Man' do without the "other" 10 guys on the field.

I doubt the guys who think this is a big deal are very popular in the locker room. I'd assume not have them in mine.

Definitely. But let me say one thing, you absolutely need players that are confident on your team. As a cornerback you want the ball thrown your way. As a DE you want them to run to your side. As a WR you want the ball thrown to you. If you don't have players with that type of attitude on your team, your team will not be a championship team.

 

[scooper]

Definitely. But let me say one thing, you absolutely need players that are confident on your team. As a cornerback you wan't the ball thrown your way. As a DE you want them to run to your side. As a WR you want the ball thrown to you. If you don't have players with that type of attitude on your team, your team will not be a championship team.

Yes, you want players with positive attitudes and confidence in their abilities. Those players are generally not the ones who are afraid of not being the man. They are not afraid of any other player.

 

[jiggafini19]

Definitely. But let me say one thing, you absolutely need players that are confident on your team. As a cornerback you want the ball thrown your way. As a DE you want them to run to your side. As a WR you want the ball thrown to you. If you don't have players with that type of attitude on your team, your team will not be a championship team.

Of course you want confident players. Confidence and arrogance are obviously different. Jealousy is a trait I do not want on my team.

There's a big difference between what you just said and wanting to be on the cover of the media guide and desiring attention.

Hence, only seniors go on the cover of the media guide. They've put in 4-5 years, so they've EARNED that right.

 

[lattedatte]

Of course you want confident players. Confidence and arrogance are obviously different. Jealousy is a trait I do not want on my team.

There's a big difference between what you just said and wanting to be on the cover of the media guide and desiring attention.

Hence, only seniors go on the cover of the media guide. They've put in 4-5 years, so they've EARNED that right.

That's funny that you refer to the cover of the media guide, there were so many guys on my team that was bitter about a junior being on the cover of our guide my senior year. I was the captain, so everybody came to me to vent. Anyway, again, so saying all of this, I conclude that the Jimmy hype is a factor(not a large one) but for those prospects where it is a factor we don't want them at ND anyway. Sorry to spark such a heated debate at the end of July but I'm always wondering what fellow ND rabid followers think.

 

[jiggafini19]

Sorry to spark such a heated debate at the end of July but I'm always wondering what fellow ND rabid followers think.

I think heat and summer boredom are making us nuts.

I am ready for the season to start.

 

[lattedatte]

AMEN, GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's get no. 12 this year!!!!!!!!

 

[Indydomer]

Good discussion fellas. It's just funny how last year some people were praying to God every night that Jimmy would come here, and now we have switched over. Hence this discussion. Jimmy is going to be the man, but as the man I think he seems to be level headed and a good leader.(from what Ive seen on tape and read).

D. Jones 2007!!!

 

[irishfan81]

In my point of view. I think Aurrelious Benn is gonna be Irish and he will I feel very very strongly about him. With him and Clausen thats 2 great Freshmen starters Jimmy will start he's that good. And Benn is as good as it gets.
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