Your political affiliation?

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I'm a Republican with neoconservative tendancies, particularly where domestic policy is concerned.

 

[Irish Legend]

I'm a conservative Republican. Bush is even too liberal!

 

[jiggafini19]

I've been trying to bring back the Whig Party since fifth grade social studies class.

Something about the name....

There needs to be a legitimate third party in this country. Too much power to be balanced two ways.

 

[irishwavend]

I have been saying that forever, Jigga, so I second that opinion about a 3rd party. I am a moderate Republican. Last election, I was voting for the lesser of two evils, basically. Bush is a moron, but could you really imagine the country under the direction of Gore or Kerry? As far as abortion is concerned, I am against it in almost all cases, but I don't think you can politically outlaw it totally, just limits. Also, I am all about stem cell research & worker's rights; so that is where I stray from the party. As far as Republican foreign policy, I am all about it. Living in LA, I just wish these dang immigrants would learn a couple of things:
1.) You are breaking the law...So, at worst, pay your back taxes.
2.) May 1 is national walkout day. If you can really afford to take a day off work, why don't we take a week off...Can you survive that?
3.) What if something serious really does happen where some of these terrorists from South America come up through the border? Just think Japanese-Americans during WWII; because that is what is going to happen to the Latins.
4.) Why are you in the US? Your countries have plenty of resources. Something about your culture DOESN'T work, so stop trying to bring our culture down with the same mentality!!! Look at what we are doing, adapt, and do what you are supposed to so that this can still be your land of milk and cooookies. (Bernie Mac voice)

I know it is tough to read people's emotions and what not on here, but I am very open to disagreement and respectful arguments, so please, if you disagree, feel free to rip on my statements!

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

As far as abortion is concerned, I am against it in almost all cases, but I don't think you can politically outlaw it totally, just limits

Yeah, those are pretty much my thoughts. I'm against abortion in all instances, with the exceptions being rape, incest or when the woman's life is threatened.

Also, I am all about stem cell research & worker's rights; so that is where I stray from the party.

I used to be very supportive of stem cell research, but I then realized I hadn't looked into it enough to know whether it should be allowed for from a moral perspective. I'm going to make up my mind after I get deeper into the issue. As for worker's rights, I think it's kind of a case-to-case thing. There are situations when their grievances are real, when they are imagined, and when they are real, but outweighed by some more legitimate cause within the capitalist system---to be vague.

As far as immigration is concerned, I disagree with absolutely everything you said. As a guy with an Irish last name, I feel as though there is a moral dilemma. I can't truthfully say I belong here more than anyone else. I'm a third generation American (second on one side), so I can't say that my ancestors were the ones that had **** thrown at them when they first came off the boat or were beaten up for being Irish---fortunately that time had passed when they arrived. But it happened none-the-less. I feel as though if I join the fight against the legitimate working class of illegal aliens, then I'd just be discriminating against my own past. My grandfather actually came here as an illegal alien! He eventually went on to fight in World War II and led a successful life.

But, I live in Columbus, which is worlds away from what is going on in southern California, so I can't really empathize with your position.

But part of me feels as though the people who choose to be American are actually more American than the ones that didn't have to work or suffer to come here and who just got lucky in being born in the right place.

Also, I don't really know whether enforcement of the border is as Republican a principle as it is made out to be. I think immigration is an issue that doesn't have party affiliation; in my AP Government class, the liberals are the most anti-immigration and the conservatives the most supportive of an open border policy.

 

[irishwavend]

I agree on your extension of the worker's rights claim. There are instances where rights are a Plus and others where they are most definitely a negative.

Back on immigration...The ones who come here legally (at least from my experience out here) are very pro American and very pro "immigrate the right way." Many of the illegals, however, come here to work...pay no taxes, get access to government programs, and send their money home, all while waving the Mexican flag, chanting Osama when Mexico plays the US, and spitting on the country that is giving them opportunity. I heard a statistic the other day on the news, but have yet to really confirm it by running numbers: Illegal immigrants consist of 4.7% of the population. Unemployment is at 4.7%.

I am just going to throw this thesis out there, but:
If we backed welfare down a little, so as to make it a true supplement to people's income, instead of giving those on welfare the ability to actually live off of it, those members of society would be forced to take the jobs that the media says "Americans don't want." (Because beggars can't be choosers.) Then, we could force the illegal immigrants to go about the proper steps towards citizenship after returning home. (Seriously, how many of today's illegal immigrants would fight in a World War for our country?)

Mexico & the Central American countries have plenty of resources to be successful, except the citizens will not spark revolution when they have an escape (the US). If we force them back to their countries and put pressure on their governments, the dire conditions will be ripe for revolution in those countries.

Alright...train of thought is going, so let me know where I derailed and crashed into the ravine...haha. Until tomorrow, gentlemen!

 

[gingtoad]

I'm for whoever who has the right idea. No more partys at all. Lets all get on the same page and just make everything better

 

[jiggafini19]

My candiate for 2008....George Allen (R) of Virginia.

 

[guff]

Republican only because Libertarians don't have a viable candidate. I'm somewhere to the right of Antonin Scalia on the political spectrum. And Republicans are starting hack me off with the 'drunken sailor on shore leave' spending.

 

[NDgettysburg]

There needs to be a legitimate third party in this country. Too much power to be balanced two ways.

That's a big X2 jigga!

OnE, no Irish Republican choice in the poll?

 

[domerdaughtersdad]

Affiliation

Affiliation

Yours truly: a small "c" conservative with a nasty liberatarian streak a/k/a "19th Century Liberal" who tends to vote GOP because the Dems have since the time of the sainted POTUS Reagan have shown themselves to be totally bereft of constructive ideas and committed to the suicide of Western Civilization via multiculturalism, junk science, discredited Marxian theories of history and economics, and the ridicule if not outright condemnation of excellence, success and first principles (Judeo Christian ethic, etc) and total control of the Federal Government. And then there are the drunken sailors who now fly under the GOP flag on Capitol Hill, a mere 7 miles from where I write, who have.....ah screw it, why bother, just gets me hot under the collar.

I used to think that being "independent" showed one's inability or lack of commitment to some political philosophy, namely one was somehow "unprincipled." Now, given the behavior of the legislative and executive branches once the (as it now turns out, ephemeral) post-September 11 unity went down the crapper, the question now is: "Why should I let the example of our elected scoundrels set the standard for my political credo?"

Well, it does not. so there.

"No man or his property is safe while the legislature is in session." - Judge Gideon J. Tucker

"Just be glad you're not getting all the government you're paying for." - Will Rogers

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken

 

[jiggafini19]

I used to think that being "independent" showed one's inability or lack of commitment to some political philosophy, namely one was somehow "unprincipled." Now, given the behavior of the legislative and executive branches once the (as it now turns out, ephemeral) post-September 11 unity went down the crapper, the question now is: "Why should I let the example of our elected scoundrels set the standard for my political credo?"

Well, it does not. so there.

WELL PLAYED!!

As you can see, I am the other independent voted in with you.

 

[punishment]

= Living in LA, I just wish these dang immigrants would learn a couple of things:
1.) You are breaking the law...So, at worst, pay your back taxes.

Let me see, do you pay your taxes when you file them, or are they automatically deducted from your paycheck? I don't know about you guys, but mine is automatically deducted from my paycheck.

These "illegals" have taxes taken out of their paychekc also. What?! A shocker!!!! Most are also low income, and should get a refund when they file a tax return. But, they don't file tax returns. So that money goes unclaimed.

[/QUOTE] 2.) May 1 is national walkout day. If you can really afford to take a day off work, why don't we take a week off...Can you survive that? [/QUOTE]

It's not about being able to afford it, it's about taking a stand. The same thing used to happen when some small factions made a big deal about illegal immigration from the Irish, Italians and Germans back in the late 1800s and early 1900s. But nobody ever discusses these. I wonder why?

[/QUOTE] 3.) What if something serious really does happen where some of these terrorists from South America come up through the border? Just think Japanese-Americans during WWII; because that is what is going to happen to the Latins. [/QUOTE]

Name one terrorist from south america. These 9/11 terrorists came from Canada. Why are citizens with guns not guarding that border?

[/QUOTE] 4.) Why are you in the US? Your countries have plenty of resources. Something about your culture DOESN'T work, so stop trying to bring our culture down with the same mentality!!! Look at what we are doing, adapt, and do what you are supposed to so that this can still be your land of milk and cooookies. (Bernie Mac voice) [/QUOTE]

Why are you in the U.S.? Do European countries not have plenty of resources? I would assume that they are least on par with those resources of South America, right? It's funny though that nobody ever comments on Italian culture being displayed in movies, etc. And nobody complains when people hang Irish flags, or Great Britain flags.

Your complaining is no different than the complaining others are doing. People are just affected by different issues.

And before you write me off as some liberal immigrant who doesn't appreciate this country or what not, ask yourself what you have done for your country? People always question my loyalties to the US. Yet, most people did not spend six years in the army like I did. THe U.S. army by the way, not the mexican army or the osama army.

Nowadays, this conservative love of country is defined by being against anything that goes against the European ideals which have been engrained in this country.

But this hatred is no different than when the English hated the thoughts of the catholic europeans coming to the US. (i.e., french, irish, italian, etc.) Just read a history book, you'll see.

It's easy to tell others to stop their whining, while you continue yours.

 

[Fitzgerald]

Liberal-leaning on some major issues, and liberal generally, yet very conservative in some fundamental ways (Catholic upbringing; you know). Both parties and all hangers-on are sickening to me, with third-party types little better. The political process, rather than sullying everyone who enters it, requires of all who enter it only that they're already sullied and don't mind going further in that direction. As CS Lewis said in Mere Christianity, pride is the worst sin, the father of all sins, and pride and its concomitants (power, control, competition for the sake of pride) are politics - which is to say that politics is the least Christian thing going, worse even than war, in which some real nobility must at least play a part.

I voted, ostensibly for Kerry, in '04, but really against Bush. That I had to choose between these candidates, one dangerous and evil and one uninspiring at best, and that the democratic process failed to eliminate a candidate who was so clearly evil and dangerous and incompetent as Bush had by that time (and moreso by this time) proven himself to be, finally caused me to decide to forgo any more voting in this life. Also, of course, due to the brokenness of the system, my vote, here in Indiana, did not really count.

Finally, to anyone who voted for Bush in '04, there's nothing to even say to you. Showing your disapproval of the man in ineffectual polls taken years after an effectual election does nothing to mitigate the damage you, through President Bush, have done to the world and to the country since his re-election.

 

[Irish Legend]

Liberal-leaning on some major issues, and liberal generally, yet very conservative in some fundamental ways (Catholic upbringing; you know). Both parties and all hangers-on are sickening to me, with third-party types little better. The political process, rather than sullying everyone who enters it, requires of all who enter it only that they're already sullied and don't mind going further in that direction. As CS Lewis said in Mere Christianity, pride is the worst sin, the father of all sins, and pride and its concomitants (power, control, competition for the sake of pride) are politics - which is to say that politics is the least Christian thing going, worse even than war, in which some real nobility must at least play a part.

I voted, ostensibly for Kerry, in '04, but really against Bush. That I had to choose between these candidates, one dangerous and evil and one uninspiring at best, and that the democratic process failed to eliminate a candidate who was so clearly evil and dangerous and incompetent as Bush had by that time (and moreso by this time) proven himself to be, finally caused me to decide to forgo any more voting in this life. Also, of course, due to the brokenness of the system, my vote, here in Indiana, did not really count.

Finally, to anyone who voted for Bush in '04, there's nothing to even say to you. Showing your disapproval of the man in ineffectual polls taken years after an effectual election does nothing to mitigate the damage you, through President Bush, have done to the world and to the country since his re-election.

Considering your Catholic upbringing, you should have known that as a Catholic it was wrong for you to vote for Kerry. You can't support (vote for) anyone who supports the legalization of the killing of babies. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with him on that, your vote goes for everything he represents. I voted for Bush only because he was the lesser of two evils. I don't know what the hell is going to happen in 08', you think we're in trouble now?
Finally, please stop reading anything written by Bill Maher, Al Franken or Stuart Smalley.

 

[maison bleu]

I'm an anarcho-syndicalist.

I hate Bush, and I hope all of you who voted for him are happy with the mess he's made. All that peace & prosperity (and budget surplusses) under Clinton really sucked....

 

[Irish Legend]

I'm an anarcho-syndicalist.

I hate Bush, and I hope all of you who voted for him are happy with the mess he's made. All that peace & prosperity (and budget surplusses) under Clinton really sucked....

You are also a Meeechigan fan....so what does that say about you!

 

[dbldomer]

Considering your Catholic upbringing, you should have known that as a Catholic it was wrong for you to vote for Kerry. You can't support (vote for) anyone who supports the legalization of the killing of babies. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with him on that, your vote goes for everything he represents. I voted for Bush only because he was the lesser of two evils. I don't know what the hell is going to happen in 08', you think we're in trouble now?
Finally, please stop reading anything written by Bill Maher, Al Franken or Stuart Smalley.

Irishlegend, remember it is also against a Catholic upbringing to be both anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, a mainstay of conservatives. Kerry is as you may remember a Catholic and his stance on the the subject was always quite clear, anti-abortion and pro-choice. It is the duty of elected officials to govern by the rules of the land. It is possible to say that a woman has the right to choose and not agree morally with that choice. Also remember that christian conservatives are fearful of Catholics as well as their unified distaste of the Catholic church.

 

[maison bleu]

You are also a Meeechigan fan....so what does that say about you!

It says that I'm smart, good-looking, and well-equiped to please the ladies.

 

[ShivaIrish]

Irishlegend, remember it is also against a Catholic upbringing to be both anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, a mainstay of conservatives. Kerry is as you may remember a Catholic and his stance on the the subject was always quite clear, anti-abortion and pro-choice. It is the duty of elected officials to govern by the rules of the land. It is possible to say that a woman has the right to choose and not agree morally with that choice. Also remember that christian conservatives are fearful of Catholics as well as their unified distaste of the Catholic church.

--from dbldomer (not sure exactly how to use this thing yet. If it's not too much trouble, just tell me how I get my quote like all the rest--thanks)

Being that this is my first post, it's ironic that it doesn't involve football. Anyway, I agree with much of what you said dlbdomer, except perhaps with whether or not its ok to allow woman the right to choose (after all, depending on your stance, the parallel could be making murder legal, but then disproving of the choice that the murderer may make. I'm not saying thats my stance, but one could make the argument). All the rest is good. I think a lot of people forget that many foreign and domestic policies by this administration (and others) is pro-death. Third party? Count me in. Too many people just blindly follow what the political party tells them to, when many of the bigwigs of those same parties just do so to get elected. What a vicious cycle.

 

[NDgettysburg]

It says that I'm smart, good-looking, and well-equiped to please the ladies.

I didn't know dildos could type!

 

[Zephyr]

You could not of said it any better. Bleeding heart vomit spew!
But hey, I voted for Bush!

 

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

First you vote with your heart, later you use your brain...

First you vote with your heart, later you use your brain...

...Republican...

 

[Irish Legend]

Irishlegend, remember it is also against a Catholic upbringing to be both anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, a mainstay of conservatives. Kerry is as you may remember a Catholic and his stance on the the subject was always quite clear, anti-abortion and pro-choice. It is the duty of elected officials to govern by the rules of the land. It is possible to say that a woman has the right to choose and not agree morally with that choice. Also remember that christian conservatives are fearful of Catholics as well as their unified distaste of the Catholic church.

Pro-choice is the same thing as pro-abortion! The choice to open her legs is where the choice ended.

 

[maison bleu]

I didn't know dildos could type!

Webmaster doesn't like it when we insult each other. But I want you to know that I'm thinking about calling you a really awful name.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Webmaster doesn't like it when we insult each other. But I want you to know that I'm thinking about calling you a really awful name.

Sticks and stones....but don't be too worked up, it was meant as more of a play on the idea of what might be "smart, good-looking, and well-equiped to please the ladies."

 

[maison bleu]

Sticks and stones....but don't be too worked up, it was meant as more of a play on the idea of what might be "smart, good-looking, and well-equiped to please the ladies."

I'm not worked up, Gettysburg... I thought your post was pretty funny.

 

[Domer95]

I'm an anarcho-syndicalist.

I hate Bush, and I hope all of you who voted for him are happy with the mess he's made. All that peace & prosperity (and budget surplusses) under Clinton really sucked....

Good God MB, something we actually agree on. I believe that there is a special place in hell (the 10th circle?) reserved for Marco's (the ND CHOO CHOO blogger) biggest antagonist, Karl Rove. May God have mercy upon his soul. Shrub is mearly a puppet being controlled by the likes of Rove and Richard Mellon Scaife.

That being said, yes, I'm a Democrat, but not a proud one as with Jigga and others, would vote for a strong/solid 3rd party candidate, if there was one. Since Clinton, they have lost any semblance of a spine and have tried to become Repub-lite. They disgust me nearly as much as the far right wing of the party. The special interests fringe wings of BOTH parties have hijacked them.

I am a PRAGMATIC PROGESSIVE w/ STRONG LIBERTARIAN LEANINGS. Examples: We need to protect the environment, but not to save every single species known to man. Also, I believe that there shouldn't be motorcycle helmets laws at all. If you don't want to wear one, don't, it's your body.

I consider myself a good Catholic who voted for Kerry in '04, as the Church has NO BUSINESS telling me WHO to vote for. The Church is in the "God business", not politics. Ultimately, I believe that it's how you live your life and treat others (remember the Golden Rule????) that is the most important 'family value' and that its private matter between yourself and God and, quite frankly it's none of the public's damn business.

This is the most alarming thing happening in politics. The division between church & state is becoming increasingly blurred and in some cases outright eliminated.

No offense, OnE, but I think that this was a BAD threat to start. While I value nearly all of the input/posts on here, I'd hate to see opinions or views of people whom I've enjoyed reading/dialoging with become clouded, due to their/my poliltical views. There are things that shouldn't be discussed amongst colleagues and friends and they are politics and religion. Rather than harp on things that DIVIDE us (like politics and to a lesser degree, religion) Let's get back to what UNITES us at IrishEnvy, that being ND's KICK ASS FOOTBALL TEAM and its very golden future.....and some good U BICH, tO$U and scUM bashing as well....

 

[punishment]

Wow, I agree with Maison_blue. And I'll give up my Al Franken novels when people return theirAnn Coulter and Newt Gingrich items, talk about people who spread hatred.

I also agree with domer95, this thread should not have been started. BUt it's hard not to want to speak your mind.

I guess that is why I'm glad I live in San Francisco, and not the midwest. The republicans that you have out here are conservaitve because of one issue only, and I'm sure I don't have to say what that issue is, but it has nothing to do with religion, and "values," whatever those are.

Not only that, but I believe gay people should be allowed to marry and adopt children (on the civil side, and not through the church though). Now here is a whole other point of debate. I have yet to hear a valid argument as to why it shouldn't be allowed.

 

[punishment]

Oh, and I'm not gay by the way. Just trying to make a point that you can be Catholic and not necessarily agree with everything you are told to believe.