Hedgemon & Jabbie leaving?

[Guest]

Looks like Hedgemon and Jabbie are leaving the team. According to blue grey sky Hedgemon is headed to Jackson State.

Both were nice recruits but neither seemed to be making an impact on the field, Jabbie switched to RB and with Aldridge coming in I doubt he would've made any ground there.

This will give Weis two more scholarships to offer, so hopefully he can fill up some of the positions where we need more depth.

Of all the players that have left the team, only Vaughn and Hiben will be missed IMO. Hiben would've played at vital role in Weis' 2 and 3 set TE formations this year, now we'll have to rely on a freshmen, and Vaughn would've been the perfect replacement for Stovall.

Part of me is glad to see us weeding out alot of Ty's players........

 

[jiggafini19]

The numbers continue to dwindle.

At this point, I'm not sure it really matters. More reps for other guys who will be here I suppose.

 

[blmarek]

Hoskins gone as well

Hoskins gone as well

On the cover of Blue and Gold is says Justin Hoskins has be granted a release from his scholarship.

 

[jiggafini19]

On the cover of Blue and Gold is says Justin Hoskins has be granted a release from his scholarship.

His departure leaves the junior class with only 10 players. Others who left the football program include Tregg Duerson, Chauncey Incarnato, Jabbie, John Kadous, Brandon Nicolas and Chris Vaughn.

The players remaining from Tyrone Willingham’s 2004 haul are Abdel Banda, Darrin Bragg, Justin Brown, Maurice Crum Jr., Leo Ferrine, Terrail Lambert, Ronald Talley, Anthony Vernaglia, Walker and David Wolke.

The 2007 Edition of Notre Dame Football is going to be very very young and in experienced.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

The 2007 Edition of Notre Dame Football is going to be very very young and in experienced.

kinda like the 2003 team

 

[Aerosmith777]

The 2007 Edition of Notre Dame Football is going to be very very young and in experienced.

to be fair, almost none of these kids ever saw the field to begin with though, and except for Hibben, I don't think a single one of them would have ever started for Charlie anyway.

 

[Guest]

to be fair, almost none of these kids ever saw the field to begin with though, and except for Hibben, I don't think a single one of them would have ever started for Charlie anyway.

couldn't agree more, I look at this as a plus because Weis can use these schollies on players that might be able to contribute. Most of the guys that left were never going to be major contributers IMO except maybe Hiben, and Vaughn.....

 

[scooper]

Hiben most definately would have been. His decision had nothing to do with playing time. It was a decision based on what is important to him. Vaughn would have been interesting. Had he stayed and worked, I think he would have played a lot.

The others though were definately buried.

 

[jiggafini19]

There is no question.

Some of these guys have seen the field for 10 or 15 minutes of PT total, if that.

kinda like the 2003 team

Trying to forget that year. Was thinking of hypnosis.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

And that is why I veiw 2007 as Weis's first major Challenge...

I think he can be a great coach but just can't jump on that bandwagon until he does it with an inexperienced team

If he can pull out a 10 win season in 2007 I will be damn impressed

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

In the sense that I'm sure each one of them is a great kid, it's bad news.

In the sense that CW's recruiting classes are literally blowing Ty's out of the water and forcing kids to quit, it's good news.

Survival of the fittest.

 

[jiggafini19]

And that is why I veiw 2007 as Weis's first major Challenge...

2007 will be rough. The team will be young, talented, but there won't be a lot of minutes logged as far as meaningful playing time and starts are concerned. Still, he has instilled an entirely new attitude to Notre Dame Football that hasn't been there in a long time. When this incoming freshmen class are seniors, we'll know a lot more by then.

I think he can be a great coach but just can't jump on that bandwagon until he does it with an inexperienced team

Notre Dame under Weis can be like the current SC teams and 90s Florida State teams...they don't rebuild, they reload. But he needs to establish depth first. Of which he currently has none.

If he can pull out a 10 win season in 2007 I will be damn impressed

Getting nine with this group was pretty good, considering the defense was so inexperienced and the amount of road games they had early. Having grown accustomed to losing to Purdue, Pitt, BYU and getting blown out by elite teams I was satisfied with the way they competed. I expected 6 wins, 7 max.

 

[guff]

What puzzles me most about the transfers is that these kids are leaving because of lack of playing - as if playing time is based on seniority.

When ND gives you a football scholarship you get 1. a great education 2. an opportunity to play football. Key word is opportunity. As a player at ND you should expect to be in competition for your job every year because every year ND will get top flight recruits that may be better than you. And if you don't see the field you still get the great education.

So who made the smart decision. The kid that chose playing time a NW Bodiddily Tech and in return got unfufilled NFL aspirations and average (at best) education or the kid that chose to ride the pine at ND and got a degree from one of the America's elite Universities.

If you're not sure now check with Jabbie, Hedgemon and Hoskins in five years. I wish them well but they made a bad career move.

 

[Guest]

What puzzles me most about the transfers is that these kids are leaving because of lack of playing - as if playing time is based on seniority.

When ND gives you a football scholarship you get 1. a great education 2. an opportunity to play football. Key word is opportunity. As a player at ND you should expect to be in competition for your job every year because every year ND will get top flight recruits that may be better than you. And if you don't see the field you still get the great education.

So who made the smart decision. The kid that chose playing time a NW Bodiddily Tech and in return got unfufilled NFL aspirations and average (at best) education or the kid that chose to ride the pine at ND and got a degree from one of the America's elite Universities.

If you're not sure now check with Jabbie, Hedgemon and Hoskins in five years. I wish them well but they made a bad career move.

I agreee, plus Hedgemon, Hoskins or Jabbie weren't heralded recruits, they were respectable but none of the three had a bunch of schools banging down their door like say Sam Young had or Jimmy Clausen has.

I think the three needed to be a bit more realistic about whether or not they had what it takes to play in the NFL. IF Jabbie can't beat out the likes of backup RB Thomas or beat out return man Grimes then what makes him think he has what it takes to play in the NFL

I hope Hedgemon will be happy with his Jackson State degree..

 

[jiggafini19]

I agreee, plus Hedgemon, Hoskins or Jabbie weren't heralded recruits, they were respectable but none of the three had a bunch of schools banging down their door like say Sam Young had or Jimmy Clausen has..

Agreed. Their offer lists were not impressive. And ulimately, I think that is part of the evaluation process with these kids. Your offer list determines "star" value.

Hedgemon was a three star on Rivals, Jabbie four. However, Jabbie was rated as a non high school player because he was in prep school.

Scout has Hedgemon with three stars and Jabbie with three stars.

Notre Dame's offer list currently is loaded with kids rated in the Top 100 pre-evaluation list.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Your offer list determines "star" value.

I would have to completely disagree with this.

1. A lot of highly rated kids are great but don't get offers from schools because the schools know the kid has zero interest in going to that school. ND didn't offer Tim Tebow, does that mean he wasn't worthy of ND or any other top rated recruit for that matter?

2. Hoskins and Jabbie were both highly rated recruits at their position. They didn't pan out it happens. Lots of kids transfer the first 2 years after a new coach takes over, doesn't mean these kids weren't any good.

 

[jiggafini19]

1. A lot of highly rated kids are great but don't get offers from schools because the schools know the kid has zero interest in going to that school. ND didn't offer Tim Tebow, does that mean he wasn't worthy of ND or any other top rated recruit for that matter?
2. Hoskins and Jabbie were both highly rated recruits at their position. They didn't pan out it happens. Lots of kids transfer the first 2 years after a new coach takes over, doesn't mean these kids weren't any good.

Tim Tebow had offers from Florida, Michigan and USC to name a few. He was a 5 star dual threat quarterback.

Austen Arnaud, the highest rated three star dual threat QB, had offers from BYU, Iowa State and Houston. Clearly, these schools are not Florida, Michigan and USC.

A kid's offer list is a PORTION of the star value assigned to them by these recruiting gurus. Just a hunch on my part. Go through the list and you'll see the trend similar to this one. It's a theory, but the 5-4-3 star offer lists back it up the majority of the time.

Hoskins and Jabbie were highly rated recruits at their positions? By whom? Rivals ranked Hoskins as the 16th rated RB in America. They rated Jabbie the 48th non high school player that same year. And Scout? They only ranked him as the 57th safety that year. Hoskins was ranked 13th...ahead of Darius Walker. His offer list was ND, Iowa, Michigan State and Purdue. Jabbie had offers from BC, Missouri, Northwestern and Wake Forest.

Those lists also seem to support the previous topic. Wake Forest and Missouri? Basketball maybe.

Did Parade or USA Today give them better accolades? Otherwise, these were upper middle tier (at best) players coming out of high school.