Hoskins leaving the team

[loweND]

Normally, I get a bit annoyed when a player leaves - but I think I see his point. He's got tons of talent and he's behind at least two players at his position. I kind of wish the coaching staff had tried him out at WR.

Here's the link:
http://www.blueandgold.com

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Normally, I get a bit annoyed when a player leaves - but I think I see his point. He's got tons of talent and he's behind at least two players at his position. I kind of wish the coaching staff had tried him out at WR.
Here's the link:
http://www.blueandgold.com

I honestly thought they were going to give him a go at WR but then they have recruited so many the last 2 years just doesn't seem plausible to get much time there either at this point.

With Walker and Thomas both ahead of him AND having the same amount of eligibility left as both of them, kinda makes sense the kid moves on.

 

[Aerosmith777]

My guess would've been he'd of found a place somewhere in the secondary by now. Lord knows they could have used the depth there. Oh well...

 

[scooper]

I suspect this is going to happen to a player or two every once in awhile. We haven't had the kind of depth in recent years that warrants the transferring of players with decent talent. Div IAA and Div II seem to always have some good backs showing up that transferred out of crowded backfields of big schools.

In this case, I guess as said, he's going IA. He could sit for a year then tear it up for two at a MAC school. Maybe one of the directional Michigans and be close to home.

Anyway, I wish him luck.

 

[Aerosmith777]

I suspect this is going to happen to a player or two every once in awhile. We haven't had the kind of depth in recent years that warrants the transferring of players with decent talent. Div IAA and Div II seem to always have some good backs showing up that transferred out of crowded backfields of big schools.
In this case, I guess as said, he's going IA. He could sit for a year then tear it up for two at a MAC school. Maybe one of the directional Michigans and be close to home.
Anyway, I wish him luck.

If you go down to IA do you still have to sit out a year? I thought you didn't, but maybe that's only if you go all the way to Div. II or lower.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

If you go down to IA do you still have to sit out a year? I thought you didn't, but maybe that's only if you go all the way to Div. II or lower.

IA is what he is at now, if he goes to IAA or DII then I believe he doesn't have to sit

If he sits out next year he will still have 2 years of eligibility after that, I wouldn't be shocked to see him playing at a BCS conference school, say an Arkansas type

 

[Guest]

All the Ty players are leaving, with another full recruiting class we'll have mostly WEIS players. This makes me very happy.......

 

[scooper]

That's a bit of a far fetched angle, I think. I'd hate for Brady Quinn to have left because he was a Ty player. A lot of Davie and Ty players contributed greatly this year. The nucleus of next year's team will be Ty players.

I'm not saying the guy was a good recruiter beyond his first year. I'm just saying ties to him don't make or break a player in my eyes.

 

[Guest]

That's a bit of a far fetched angle, I think. I'd hate for Brady Quinn to have left because he was a Ty player. A lot of Davie and Ty players contributed greatly this year. The nucleus of next year's team will be Ty players.
I'm not saying the guy was a good recruiter beyond his first year. I'm just saying ties to him don't make or break a player in my eyes.

Ty had to be told by Ndukwe's father that Quinn had alot of interest in ND, mean while he had offers from both Michigan and OSU. I don't give Ty any credit for recruiting Quinn, Quinn was ND's for a long time.

I'd just rather have Weis players in here, some of the Davie/TY guys are good football players, but many were soft also. I don't see Weis bringing in any soft players, Jason Kates comes to mind here, you know Ty would've brought that underachiever in.

 

[scooper]

I'm not here to defend Ty or his recruiting. I'm just saying being a Ty guy doesn't make one soft or less of a player. You're right about Quinn. But is Darius Walker soft? How about Ryan Harris? The Shark?

Zibby soft? Are you kidding me.

This isn't a defense of Ty, but of some of the players he brought in. No matter which coach they committed to, they are ND men and tough football players.

 

[jiggafini19]

If you go down to IA do you still have to sit out a year? I thought you didn't, but maybe that's only if you go all the way to Div. II or lower.

I-A to I-AA = you play right away.

I-A to I-A you have to sit a year.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I'm not here to defend Ty or his recruiting. I'm just saying being a Ty guy doesn't make one soft or less of a player. You're right about Quinn. But is Darius Walker soft? How about Ryan Harris? The Shark?
Zibby soft? Are you kidding me.
This isn't a defense of Ty, but of some of the players he brought in. No matter which coach they committed to, they are ND men and tough football players.

Well I think that just being good enough to earn a college scholarship in football is a great screening process and gets rid of a lot of those soft guys, but some always get through, and a disproportionately large amount of them were recruited by Ty---that's not to say there's more than a handful, but that's all you need to kill the team.

'Wanna know who I think was the softest player until Charlie Weis came to ND? Maurice Stovall.

 

[scooper]

Well I think that just being good enough to earn a college scholarship in football is a great screening process and gets rid of a lot of those soft guys, but some always get through, and a disproportionately large amount of them were recruited by Ty---that's not to say there's more than a handful, but that's all you need to kill the team.
'Wanna know who I think was the softest player until Charlie Weis came to ND? Maurice Stovall.

Good posting. I was just debating Queen's insinuation that Ty guys=bad or soft. There are still some tough and talented Ty players on this team. Unfortunately for Mr. Willingham, they all seemed to be in one class.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

I'm not here to defend Ty or his recruiting. I'm just saying being a Ty guy doesn't make one soft or less of a player. You're right about Quinn. But is Darius Walker soft? How about Ryan Harris? The Shark?
Zibby soft? Are you kidding me.
This isn't a defense of Ty, but of some of the players he brought in. No matter which coach they committed to, they are ND men and tough football players.

you're touching on a very interesting point. ty did bring in some high calibur football players. however, these guys would've come to nd if you're little sister was the head coach at the time. quinn waited for ty. nd is a dream for some of the best. recruiting isnt variety show like the media has created. they're checking the mailbox every afternoon hoping that nd letter is there.

that is all.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

All the Ty players are leaving, with another full recruiting class we'll have mostly WEIS players. This makes me very happy.......

That is a pretty ignorant statement...

Hoskins was a highly touted RB recruit who is extremely talented and is trasnfering because two of Willinghams other recruits are ahead of him on the depth chart and have the same amount of eligibility left as him.

Jabbie and Hedgemon leave because guys like Wooden, Ferrine, and Lambert, Ndukwe and Zbikowski are ahead of them not to mention Walker and Thomas at RB are a head of Jabbie also with the position change

Hoskins leaves becasue Walker and Thomas are ahead of them...

These guys are leaving because their is to much depth ahead of them to crack the lineup and you say Ty did a BAD JOB of recruiting? Seems his mistake was recruiting too much talent at those positions


Comments like that make beleive people just have an ignorant hate of anything Ty.

If you are HAPPY that next year wer are going to be starting a lot of underclassman may I remind you the last time we started a bunch of underclassman was 2003 and 2004

 

[punishment]

That is a pretty ignorant statement...
Hoskins was a highly touted RB recruit who is extremely talented and is trasnfering because two of Willinghams other recruits are ahead of him on the depth chart and have the same amount of eligibility left as him.
Jabbie and Hedgemon leave because guys like Wooden, Ferrine, and Lambert, Ndukwe and Zbikowski are ahead of them not to mention Walker and Thomas at RB are a head of Jabbie also with the position change
Hoskins leaves becasue Walker and Thomas are ahead of them...
These guys are leaving because their is to much depth ahead of them to crack the lineup and you say Ty did a BAD JOB of recruiting? Seems his mistake was recruiting too much talent at those positions
Comments like that make beleive people just have an ignorant hate of anything Ty.
If you are HAPPY that next year wer are going to be starting a lot of underclassman may I remind you the last time we started a bunch of underclassman was 2003 and 2004

OK. So you're saying Ty recruited a lot of running backs, and therefore was not a bad recruiter. How many O-lineman and defensive players did the not so bad recruiter bring in? So Hoskins leaves because two 3 star players are ahead of him on the depth chart. Hoskins more than likely was falling behind Aldridge and Prince already anyways.

O yea, and Ty started underclassmen because he preferred it that way. Remember, this was the guy who started Ryan Grant ahead of Julius Jones. (Julius had a higher rushing average, and well, was just all around better.)

By the way, I don't have an ignorant hate of Ty or anything. In fact, I really wanted to see Ty succeed. Even more so, I would rather have had ND succeed with Ty than with Charlie. And yes, that is because I would have liked to have seen a black coach succeed. I even had one of those ugly bright green "I love Ty" t-shirts that some pretty girl talked me into buying off her for $10.

I'm just saying this before I get accused of being a blind Ty hater.

 

[Guest]

Hoskins was a highly touted RB recruit who is extremely talented

How do you know if he's talented? I'm sure Weis knows more than you do, and he had a freshman in David Grimes returning kickoffs over Hoskins who was supposed to be this great return man.

Jabbie and Hedgemon leave because guys like Wooden, Ferrine, and Lambert, Ndukwe and Zbikowski are ahead of them not to mention Walker and Thomas at RB are a head of Jabbie also with the position change
Hoskins leaves becasue Walker and Thomas are ahead of them...

Wooden will be a sr(i think he redshirted) so whats to say he doesn't leave, Ndukwe will be gone after this year, Zibby has already been told by Weis to be prepared to enter the draft, Thomas is in his last year, and Walker could even test the NFL draft waters if he continues to improve, though I think he stays four years. Jabbie still has another three years of eligibility, so if he was any good he'd probably get significant playing time in 07'. Problem is he isn't any good and guys like Aldridge and Prince were going to pass him by the minute they stepped foot on campus.

These guys are leaving because their is to much depth ahead of them to crack the lineup and you say Ty did a BAD JOB of recruiting? Seems his mistake was recruiting too much talent at those positions

Did you notice the mass exodus of Ty players once Weis started coaching spring practices, did you ever think that maybe those kids that left committed to Ty because of his laid back approach to coaching, and couldn't handle Weis' intense style of coaching. Hell even Stovall was soft until Weis came along, thankfully Weis fixed that.

Comments like that make beleive people just have an ignorant hate of anything Ty.
If you are HAPPY that next year wer are going to be starting a lot of underclassman may I remind you the last time we started a bunch of underclassman was 2003 and 2004

Well you got one thing right, I don't like Ty, too many reasons to list.

We return more starters next year than any other BCS school from this past season, so I think you meant to say 07' we will start alot of underclassmen, not this upcoming season.

Yes I am happy that we will be starting alot of highly touted freshman and sophmores in 07 rather than the two worst recruiting classes ND has had in the last 35 years(some good players spinkled in here and there). Hell another two recruiting classes from Ty and I'm not sure we'd be able to even field a team.

If Weis Coached those 2003-2004 teams I'm sure are record would be a whole lot better, Weis wouldn't be starting Grant over Julius Jones, and Walker, for the obvisous reasons, they're better than Grant. Also Quinn would've been a much better QB his soph year under Weis than he was under diedrick.

I see I stirred the pot a little here, but I agree Ty recruited some good footballers like zibby and Quinn, but for every Quinn Zibby or Walker he recruited, he got guys like Parrish, Incaranto(sp?), Duerson etc

All in all I just want Weis players in here, I trust his judgement over davie and Ty combined.

 

[irishwavend]

That is a pretty ignorant statement...
Hoskins was a highly touted RB recruit who is extremely talented and is trasnfering because two of Willinghams other recruits are ahead of him on the depth chart and have the same amount of eligibility left as him.
Jabbie and Hedgemon leave because guys like Wooden, Ferrine, and Lambert, Ndukwe and Zbikowski are ahead of them not to mention Walker and Thomas at RB are a head of Jabbie also with the position change
Hoskins leaves becasue Walker and Thomas are ahead of them...
These guys are leaving because their is to much depth ahead of them to crack the lineup and you say Ty did a BAD JOB of recruiting? Seems his mistake was recruiting too much talent at those positions
Comments like that make beleive people just have an ignorant hate of anything Ty.
If you are HAPPY that next year wer are going to be starting a lot of underclassman may I remind you the last time we started a bunch of underclassman was 2003 and 2004

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I have to say that your assessment is much further off track than the one you condemn. Ty DID do a bad job of recruiting, and to think Darius and Travis are stellar backs might be a little off base. Sure, they get it done, but neither of them is a gamebreaker like Julius (Davie). Ty had one good year of recruiting and that can be attributed to excitement of a new coach & a defense that played ridiculously well (because we know there certainly was no sign of an offense on the field.)

I do agree that Hoskins was probably our most athletic RB, but mentally, it seems, he is a little bitch who can't hack it.

The corner situation: Too much talent?!?! Maybe too much Mediocre talent. Again, no gamebreakers.

Underclassmen: When we had Veterans, Ty didn't do anything with the offense! Look, if you followed his attitude, his record in both recruiting and on the field, his current transition at UW, you could see a definite pattern.

The guy is a BAD head coach who deceives everybody with his eloquence!

 

[irishwavend]

Speaking of Ty's lack of offense.... A little trivia:

Who was the ABC Player of the Game for ND when we got slutted by USC the first time? And, what was it for?

 

[jiggafini19]

I can't see how we can judge these guys since:

A. There are what, TEN juniors on the team right now? There are barely enough of Ty's players to go around anyway.

B. Most of them haven't seen a quarter's worth of playing time, let alone started a game.

Quality and quantity, for me anyway, both leave a lot to be desired. FI9, you're so high on Ferrine and Lambert but they haven't been on the field enough as collegiate players to have proven anything at this point. They aren't incoming freshmen like Walls or McNeil. I'm not being confrontational here, I'm simply asking what attributes of their games do you admire?

What do we know about these guys based on what we've seen? I haven't seen Lambert at all and my lasting impression of Ferrine was him looking lost in translation against Stanford. And take it from someone who has been there, he looked HORRIBLE that night.

 

[loweND]

One positive we can draw from this: Hoskins' mother said one of the reasons he's leaving is because he was going to lose playing time to Aldridge. The coaching staff must be impressed with Aldridge to tell James that.

 

[Guest]

Also, Hoskins had the second highest kick return average on the team, about 1 yard shy of Grimes, and Hoskins only had 5 chances. Take away Grimes' one 40 yarder (1 out of 15) and Hoskins has the best average. And given the stats, he did better than Hord and Harris. Hoskins should have been out there.

But hopefully he'll be a star at whatever level he ends up at next.

If Hoskins should have been out there, Weis would've put him out there. Weis plays the best players, unfortunately for Hoskins he wasn't better than Grimes, Walker, or even Thomas for that matter. Grimes wasn't anything special returning kickoffs(got the job done, no fumbles) so that doesn't say much for Hoskin's that Grimes was able to beat him out.

I do wish him well, but I highly doubt you'll ever see the kid in the NFL. He's turning down an ND degree, so hopefully he can live with this decision the rest of his life.......

 

[Guest]

April 07. 2006 6:59AM

Hoskins transfers from ND

JEFF CARROLL
Tribune Staff Writer

Back-up running back Justin Hoskins has decided to transfer from Notre Dame, his mother Brenda Hoskins confirmed Thursday.

Hoskins, a junior-to-be from Grand Rapids, Mich., spent most of last season battling a shoulder injury. He carried the ball just twice for the Irish last season, mostly contributing on special teams, where he returned kicks.

But Hoskins' battle to get onto the field appeared to grow even steeper this spring, with freshmen James Aldridge and George West entering the kick return fray and Aldridge likely pushing him even further down the running back depth chart.


"He just wants to play," Brenda Hoskins said. "He's a very gifted, talented athlete. They told him his playing time was not going to be very good."
A Notre Dame football spokesman said the program had no comment on Hoskins' situation. But the player's mother said head coach Charlie Weis already had provided her son with a list of schools that he won't sign transfer papers for, per an athletic department policy that restricts student-athletes from transferring to schools the Irish will face.

Hoskins' transfer leaves just 10 scholarship players from the recruiting class of 2004, Tyrone Willingham's last as Notre Dame head coach. Hoskins was Michigan's Gatorade Player of the Year as a senior at Grand Rapids Creston High School, rushing for 1,621 yards. He was also the state's long jump champion as a sophomore.

"He doesn't want to go, believe me, he doesn't want to leave Notre Dame," Brenda Hoskins said. "When he picked Notre Dame, we never in a million years thought he would transfer."