Teams with the most improved recruiting (includes ND)

Easton Pa ND Fan · Mar 4, 2006

Teams with the most improvement from last year. All recruiting 'scores' are from the Rival site.

<pre>Team .. Rivals05 .. Rivals06 .. % change .. .. .. Vnblt .. 70 .. 312 .. 346 Wa .. 216 .. 891 .. 313 Ky .. 211 .. 829 .. 293 SMs .. 95 .. 326 .. 243 EC .. 60 .. 205 .. 242 ND .. 661 .. 2190 .. 231 Akrn .. 80 .. 265 .. 231 Rtgrs .. 191 .. 573 .. 200 ILL .. 385 .. 1148 .. 198 OhU .. 60 .. 170 .. 183 Ball .. 60 .. 143 .. 138 Pitt .. 630 .. 1412 .. 124 Mmphs .. 70 .. 155 .. 121 Mrshll .. 113 .. 240 .. 112 OkSt .. 628 .. 1330 .. 112 Tmple .. 65 .. 135 .. 108 Bfflo .. 60 .. 124 .. 107 LaT .. 65 .. 131 .. 102 Army .. 12 .. 24 .. 100 Fl .. 1467 .. 2901 .. 98 Ms .. 887 .. 1731 .. 95 PennSt .. 1152 .. 2241 .. 95 NC .. 594 .. 1148 .. 93 LSU .. 1193 .. 2238 .. 88 BstnC .. 434 .. 794 .. 83 UNLV .. 85 .. 155 .. 82 Lvlle .. 541 .. 975 .. 80 Ks .. 435 .. 762 .. 75 Syrcse .. 265 .. 451 .. 70 MmiOh .. 39 .. 65 .. 67 Rice .. 65 .. 108 .. 66 </pre>

Fighting_Irish9 · Mar 7, 2006

I would hope we would improve over last years class. Weis's first class was one of the worst in Notre Dame history...though I blame the Admin not Weis for it.

BigIrish · Mar 7, 2006

i still refuse to refer to that as weis' first class. willingham wasn't fired until late november, baer coached the bowl game, and weis didn't show up on scene until after the turn of the year. not to mention the fact that he was coaching in a super bowl.

jiggafini19 · Mar 7, 2006

BigIrish said:
i still refuse to refer to that as weis' first class. willingham wasn't fired until late november, baer coached the bowl game, and weis didn't show up on scene until after the turn of the year. not to mention the fact that he was coaching in a super bowl.

I agree 100%.

I would hope we would improve over last years class. Weis's first class was one of the worst in Notre Dame history...though I blame the Admin not Weis for it.

And I'd agree with this too. Fighting Irish 9 and I agree on something. Mark that one down.

I guess some people took note of Vanderbilt. Guess they can compete after all in the SEC. Jay Cutler had a lot to do with that. Something to build on, hopefully, for their sake.

irish4life99 · Mar 7, 2006

Sorry, I refer to last years class as Willies class. He's the one that recrutied them the entire year before. How could this be Charlie's class if he gets on campus less than a month before signing day? Look at the facts, last years class was looking to be another crappy one whether or not Ty had stayed or not.

Fighting_Irish9 · Mar 7, 2006

BigIrish said:
i still refuse to refer to that as weis' first class. willingham wasn't fired until late november, baer coached the bowl game, and weis didn't show up on scene until after the turn of the year. not to mention the fact that he was coaching in a super bowl.

I don't consider it Weis's or Willinghams class, IMO that class rests solely on the shoulders of the Administration and how they handled the whole situation

Fighting_Irish9 · Mar 7, 2006

irish4life99 said:
Sorry, I refer to last years class as Willies class. He's the one that recrutied them the entire year before. How could this be Charlie's class if he gets on campus less than a month before signing day? Look at the facts, last years class was looking to be another crappy one whether or not Ty had stayed or not.

With your posts on the ND board I can't say I'm surprised that you think when a coach is fired 2 months before signing day that and we have committs decomit after the firing, along with top names like Jonathon Stewart drop ND from high on their list after their firing, as all their fault..

I don't buy it, most schools sign the majority of their players in the last 2 months...not everyone takes the first come first serve attitude of the new staff...I'm a fan of the approach but it will get us a lot more 3 stars than it will 4 stars.

Guest · Mar 7, 2006

Fighting_Irish9 said:
I would hope we would improve over last years class. Weis's first class was one of the worst in Notre Dame history...though I blame the Admin not Weis for it.

I think the class before that was worse, alot of 2 star guys in that class. Weis/Ty class wasn't that bad, all those guys were nationally ranked at their positions except scwhaap. That class had an average star rating of 3.00 on rivals, it was ranked low because we only had 15 commits, but all were solid recruits at least.

Gotta give Weis some credit for keeping most of those guys on board, and landing Hord, Kuntz, Duncan, & Turkovich. His only minus was losing Wilson....

Pete · Mar 7, 2006

Fighting_Irish9 said:
I don't consider it Weis's or Willinghams class, IMO that class rests solely on the shoulders of the Administration and how they handled the whole situation

Funny, on the ESPN board you always call it Weis's class.

jiggafini19 · Mar 8, 2006

Dan Doering, Dace Richardson and Anthony Moeaki never visited Notre Dame. They all visited Iowa in December and that's where they ended up. I question their interest in Notre Dame to begin with.

The guys who visited in January 2005 and went elsewhere were Erik Lorig (Stanford), Brian Roche (Louisville), David Moosman (Libertyville) and Rafael Eubanks (Also Iowa).

Lawrence Wilson and David Nelson visited in October before CW was hired. Everyone else visited officially in January.

8 guys committed to CW and 7 to TW. And one of Ty's guys Hiben has already flown the coop.

The class is basically a group of orphans. 15 players and basically a 50-50 split in terms of who they verballed to.

Interesting tidbits that can be found for free on Scout or Rivals.

jiggafini19 · Mar 8, 2006

Fighting_Irish9 said:
I'm a fan of the approach but it will get us a lot more 3 stars than it will 4 stars.

Depends on what kind of stock you put into those rankings, I suppose. Some of these 4-5 star guys love the attention and save their press clippings. Others are sincerely trying to sort things out and make the best decision.

Right now, most of these juniors don't have stars on their names yet. This is straight up evaluation by the coaches at each school. There is a little bit of future predicting involved too. Do you want a guy who is a stud right now that might have peaked at 18 or a kid who is pretty damn good and will develop into a stud by the time he's 22?

If Toryan Smith, Luke Schmidt, Morrice Richardson and Sergio Brown are three star players.....yeah, give me those three star guys all day.

irish4life99 · Mar 8, 2006

To me it seems evident that once a player commits their rankings tend to drop (especially if they commit to ND) because the hype and media attention drops. . So players that verbal early don't seem to get as high in the rankings just for tha fact. Does it seem like that to others or just me?

Fighting_Irish9 · Mar 8, 2006

QueensNY said:
I think the class before that was worse, alot of 2 star guys in that class. Weis/Ty class wasn't that bad, all those guys were nationally ranked at their positions except scwhaap. That class had an average star rating of 3.00 on rivals, it was ranked low because we only had 15 commits, but all were solid recruits at least.
Gotta give Weis some credit for keeping most of those guys on board, and landing Hord, Kuntz, Duncan, & Turkovich. His only minus was losing Wilson....

Don't forget he lost Nelson too because Nelson wanted to meet him and Weis didn't have time.

I don't take Issue with Weis on that class at all, but I don't praise him for it either...

As for the poster talking about ND boards....I have always said I don't blame Weis for that class but I would call it more Weis's class than Willinghams because Weis was the coach when they signed their LOI...

People on the ESPN boards don't actually read the posts, they read the first line then fill in the rest on their own

Fighting_Irish9 · Mar 8, 2006

jiggafini19 said:
Depends on what kind of stock you put into those rankings, I suppose. Some of these 4-5 star guys love the attention and save their press clippings. Others are sincerely trying to sort things out and make the best decision.
Right now, most of these juniors don't have stars on their names yet. This is straight up evaluation by the coaches at each school. There is a little bit of future predicting involved too. Do you want a guy who is a stud right now that might have peaked at 18 or a kid who is pretty damn good and will develop into a stud by the time he's 22?
If Toryan Smith, Luke Schmidt, Morrice Richardson and Sergio Brown are three star players.....yeah, give me those three star guys all day.

A lot of these rankings are based on who and how many schools are interested in them. The reason a lot of the 3 stars will committ early is they don't have the interest that the other 4 and 5 star players have. Thus an offer from ND is a big deal and they don't want to lose it.

The guys who wait can afford to wait cause if they miss out on ND because the position fills up, they can always go to USC, Miami, OSU etc etc

Personally I love a team full of 3 stars that want to be here and are excited to get the chance...so I am a fan of the style, I'm just saying it isn't going to lead to a lot of highly rated classes when we are only taking in 20 or so kids

jiggafini19 · Mar 8, 2006

F.I. 9, the most important thing I think all of us can agree on: if depth needs are met with talented enough players, it's all good. Sears doesn't give out a trophy for who was ranked first on Rivals recruiting list each year.

But I agree with your thoughts above completely.

BigIrish · Mar 8, 2006

Fighting_Irish9 said:
Don't forget he lost Nelson too because Nelson wanted to meet him and Weis didn't have time.

eh...that's a little misleading. nelson was a primadonna that wanted weis to fly out for an in-home visit at the same time weis was coaching a playoff game.

jiggafini19 · Mar 8, 2006

BigIrish said:
eh...that's a little misleading. nelson was a primadonna that wanted weis to fly out for an in-home visit at the same time weis was coaching a playoff game.

That kid was a punk.

Weis told him if NE lost, he'd be there. If NE won, he was going to send the max amount of assistants to see him.

Screw that kid. What a total crock. Even if Weis shows up, he probably wouldn't have to ND anyway.

Guest · Mar 8, 2006

Trust me when I say David Nelson is kicking himself in the ass for choosing Florida over ND. He'll be lucky if he even sees the field at Florida with all the talented receivers they have.

irish4life99 · Mar 10, 2006

Fighting_Irish9 said:
Don't forget he lost Nelson too because Nelson wanted to meet him and Weis didn't have time.
I don't take Issue with Weis on that class at all, but I don't praise him for it either...
As for the poster talking about ND boards....I have always said I don't blame Weis for that class but I would call it more Weis's class than Willinghams because Weis was the coach when they signed their LOI...
People on the ESPN boards don't actually read the posts, they read the first line then fill in the rest on their own

You say you don't blame Weis for his first class. This wasn't you on the ESPN board?

"Also what is the rambling you have above? Weis has one horrible class and one good class, I expect a good class next year too, now if he has one in 2007/2008 I will be impressed and would then lable him a great recruiter...

But landing one good class (made up mostly of 3 stars) IMO isn't enough to call him a great recruiter, For me he has to do it on a consistant level and most importantly when he doesn't have a lot of playing time to offer".

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?threadID=3277892

Fighting_Irish9 · Mar 10, 2006

irish4life99 said:
You say you don't blame Weis for his first class. This wasn't you on the ESPN board?
"Also what is the rambling you have above? Weis has one horrible class and one good class, I expect a good class next year too, now if he has one in 2007/2008 I will be impressed and would then lable him a great recruiter...
But landing one good class (made up mostly of 3 stars) IMO isn't enough to call him a great recruiter, For me he has to do it on a consistant level and most importantly when he doesn't have a lot of playing time to offer".
http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?threadID=3277892

One thing before I get to 99's personal ramblings....

1. I don't think Nelson is the punk some like to make him out to be, he wanted to meet the coach before committing to play for him for the next 4 years....I can't really blame a kid for that.

99, you will notice in that thread that I do not say that Weis's first class was his fault, also if you notice during the same time that thread was going on, there was another thread that I was actually following , where I said more than once I do not blame Weis for that class, I have said this many many times on that board and I'm saying it now...

IF you can't figure out I don't blame Weis for that class, you should seriously look into some reading comprehension classes..

Just the Day before (check the dates) and many other times.....
"Fessing up to what?

I never said weis couldn't recruit
I never questioned his ability to recruit
I didn't blame his first year of recruiting on him"

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=453&threadID=3271874&lastPostID=20613819

Seriously 99, I don't think people are interested in your childish games on this board, if you want to talk ND football than do it, try not to take everything so personal...

But if you absolutely have to, atleast come with something that isn't going to make you look stupid so quickly

jiggafini19 · Mar 15, 2006

Fighting_Irish9 said:
1. I don't think Nelson is the punk some like to make him out to be, he wanted to meet the coach before committing to play for him for the next 4 years....I can't really blame a kid for that.

He understood the situation as it was and wanted his ass kissed. He had already visited, spoken with the coaches and they sent the MAX AMOUNT of assistants to see him that is allowed per the NCAA rules.

Nelson is learning a little bit about humility right now. Lotta receiver talent down at Florida right now. I've got a funny feeling Nelson won't finish his career at Florida.

So many of these guys handle themselves in different ways. Coaches, parents, friends, home environment...there are a lot of factors that contribute to their behavior. When dealing with teenage boys, take everything with a brick of salt.

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