Cheaty McSweaterVest sunk to new lows

[Domer95]

Let's hope that CDub NEVER feels the need to go to these levels....Somehow I think his prudent recruiting will come thru...

OSU lands top JUCO linebacker
Grant gives immediate help to depleted Buckeyes linebacking unit
By Doug Harris

Dayton Daily News

COLUMBUS | — The lure of immediate playing time has helped Ohio State land four of the top 25 high school linebackers in the nation, but those incoming freshmen will be getting competition from another coveted recruit.


Larry Grant of City College of San Francisco — the California JUCO defensive player of the year — picked the Buckeyes over Oregon on Tuesday. The 6-foot-3, 225-pound sophomore had committed to Florida, but he lacked a class needed to meet Southeastern Conference requirements.

OSU coach Jim Tressel had never dipped into the junior-college ranks in five previous recruiting efforts, but losing three starting linebackers and nine defensive regulars put the Buckeyes in a quick-fix mode.

Grant is the No. 1 JUCO linebacker in the nation and the fourth-best overall prospect at that level, according to Scout.com.

"He comes from an unbelievable JC program," said Allen Wallace, the California-based national recruiting editor for Scout.com. "He's a play-maker — instinctive, tough and big."

The Buckeyes have 20 commitments in the 2006 class, which is ranked eighth by Scout.com and ninth by Rivals.com.

The group includes highly touted linebackers Thaddeus Gibson of Euclid (rated ninth at the position by Scout.com), Mark Johnson of Los Angeles (12th), Ross Homan of Coldwater (14th) and Tyler Moeller of Cincinnati (23rd).

Two other players are considering the Buckeyes but decided to wait until Signing Day today to announce their decisions: Louisville defensive lineman Corey Peters and Orlando receiver Greg Mathews.

 

[guff]

...but he lacked a class needed to meet Southeastern Conference requirements.

How dumb was this kid? The SEC would let Ralphie from the Simpson's in if had 4.4 speed and could tackle.

 

[irishwavend]

One there is nothing wrong with using Juco's. If everybody was intelligent, where would most of us be? Also, while I despise the SEC, they do have a little bit stricter requirements than some conferences. I know that U of Memphis in CUSA reaps the benefits of the SEC's inability to recruit some of the guys with 2 cells in their brain...one for vital functions and the other for killing people on the football field. the OSU is not a fine academic institution, so I wouldn't blame a guy for getting a JUCO to fill a hole.

 

[Domer95]

How dumb was this kid? The SEC would let Ralphie from the Simpson's in if had 4.4 speed and could tackle.

UPDATE: As it pains me to say this, the SEC actually has some math course requirement that the Big Televen/1?/Integer does not (go figure....). This is the course that he didn't take and thus wasn't "SEC eligible", which sounds like an oxymoron...

 

[OSU_Fan14]

the OSU is not a fine academic institution, so I wouldn't blame a guy for getting a JUCO to fill a hole.

osu not a fine academic institution?

news to me

 

[Domer95]

osu not a fine academic institution?
news to me

tO$U MU$T have a Freakin' FANTA$TIC Finance/Accounting Department...
where $tudent$ learn 'fir$t hand' on how 'palm$ get grea$ed'...
how to pick out AND finance a luxury car
and in an oh $o Enron-e$que way...how to make $3,000 in ca$h ju$t di$appear!!!!

 

[jiggafini19]

Schools can either use or abuse the JUCO player however they see fit.

I know the guys we had were good students and good people. A few that were not, they were gone quickly.

It would be an item that I would use discretion with, but at the same time look at each guy individually rather than stereotype. You just don't know what a kid's situation was in high school. I've seen firsthand that JUCO can turn a guy around and head him in the right direction.

 

[irishwavend]

osu not a fine academic institution?
news to me

Seriously, man, c'mon. One, tOSU isn't even up there with most private schools, and do you really think you are up there with elite public schools like Virginia, Michigan, and Georgia Tech? Maybe your aviation program, but you really can't compare to even the elite public schools.

 

[BigIrish]

Seriously, man, c'mon. One, tOSU isn't even up there with most private schools, and do you really think you are up there with elite public schools like Virginia, Michigan, and Georgia Tech? Maybe your aviation program, but you really can't compare to even the elite public schools.

perhaps if i were more than a subway alum, i'd feel different, but....

as i've said before, it's folly to even attempt to compare the academic prowess of two schools based on the sum of their parts. all schools, both private and public, excel more in some areas and less in others. if you want to make a legitimate comparison, the only realistic way to do so is to examine their standing in specific fields of study.

i find it somewhat elitist when we, or any fan, suggests that "our school is better than yours." perhaps that's a result of my undergrad and graduate education at directional schools in michigan. i do, however, support the notion that some schools (ND being one of them) place a greater emphasis on academic integrity - among athletes and the student body at large - than other schools do.

sorry if i'm splitting hairs here, but i feel there's a lot more that distinguishes ND from the O$U's of the world than the percieved pecking order in the academic arena.

 

[jiggafini19]

Here here BigIrish. Well said.

 

[OSU_Fan14]

Seriously, man, c'mon. One, tOSU isn't even up there with most private schools, and do you really think you are up there with elite public schools like Virginia, Michigan, and Georgia Tech? Maybe your aviation program, but you really can't compare to even the elite public schools.

nowhere did i say that osu was the top school or in the top 5. it's not, i know it isnt. but that doesnt mean it's not a fine institution. They have very good medical and science programs. maybe if you did some research you would know.

OSU's team gpa is 2.81.....thats not bad for a team with over 85 players. 56 of those scholarship players carry a 3.0 or higher with 2 of them carrying a perfect 4.0. Just becuase one idiot named clarrett loses his mind and makes rediculous accusations, doesnt mean that ohio state doesnt emphasize academics.

Now, i dont know anything about ND except that they are a fine academic institution. so i wont say anything else that i'm not certain on.

 

[Aerosmith777]

as much as I hate admiting this, OSU (like most huge public universities) is a pretty good school depending on what you go there for. For example, I know they've got a pretty good sports journalism program.

There's no point really in us knocking any of these big public schools (OSU, Michigan, FSU, Florida, etc) on what kinds of schools they are for the regular students. I have no doubt that normal, non-athletes who attend them have difficult course-loads just like everybody else. While granted I think ND is a better school overall than any of them, the difference for the regular students is negligible when compared to the difference for scholarship athletes. I think that's what really separates ND from most other big college football programs, and even seperates ND from the few other top-notch academic institutions that happen to have good football teams (USC, Cal). The athletes at ND have it just as rough as everyone else on campus, whereas that certainly doesn't seem the case for the athletes at OSU (as judged by their graduation rates).

 

[jiggafini19]

I looked at Ohio State and Michigan State ten years ago as a student. They are great schools if you truly want to go there to learn. Most American Universities are.

The normal students who are non-athletes get great educations at these places. It is the shady dealings of the athletic teams that give them bad raps.

 

[OSU_Fan14]

I looked at Ohio State and Michigan State ten years ago as a student. They are great schools if you truly want to go there to learn. Most American Universities are.
The normal students who are non-athletes get great educations at these places. It is the shady dealings of the athletic teams that give them bad raps.

very well put

 

[VictorsValiant]

as much as I hate admiting this, OSU (like most huge public universities) is a pretty good school depending on what you go there for. For example, I know they've got a pretty good sports journalism program.
There's no point really in us knocking any of these big public schools (OSU, Michigan, FSU, Florida, etc) on what kinds of schools they are for the regular students. I have no doubt that normal, non-athletes who attend them have difficult course-loads just like everybody else. While granted I think ND is a better school overall than any of them, the difference for the regular students is negligible when compared to the difference for scholarship athletes. I think that's what really separates ND from most other big college football programs, and even seperates ND from the few other top-notch academic institutions that happen to have good football teams (USC, Cal). The athletes at ND have it just as rough as everyone else on campus, whereas that certainly doesn't seem the case for the athletes at OSU (as judged by their graduation rates).

Don't lump us in with Fl/FSU and OSU. As an academic institution, we're more in line with the SC's and Cal's of the world.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Don't lump us in with Fl/FSU and OSU. As an academic institution, we're more in line with the SC's and Cal's of the world.

really, it depends on what you go there for. Like I said, OSU has a pretty well-known & respected journalism program. ND on the other hand doesn't even offer journalism as a major. For some things, I'm sure Notre Dame's not just better but its MUCH better than FSU, OSU, Florida, etc. But for others (particularly anything involving research, since most small private schools don't have the money large public ones do to fund good research) I would bet my bottom dollar you'd be better off at OSU or Florida. Doesn't make them better schools overall, but the way the world works they have advantages in some areas ND could never have as a small private school w/o the access to state money that the big public one's do.

 

[VictorsValiant]

As much as I respect your line of reasoning AeroSmith, I don't think you know Michigan very well. One of our biggest draws is that we are solid across the board. We are never #1 (in fact, there are a lot of #7s), but across all fields, disciplines, however small or large, research or not, the programs are always in the top 10.

I think comparing a school like ND to OSU is apples and oranges. ND has a religious affliation and is much more old school in its approach to education. Simply because it's not committed so much to research doesn't make it good or bad. It just has a different mission.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I don't ever want to see ND offer a kid from a junior college merely because we have to retain our academic standards---it's one of the things that make Notre Dame great.

But, I don't see anything wrong with a university offering a kid a chance. I don't know anything about this Grant guy, maybe he is a dumbass that doesn't care about academics... and then there's the possibility that the kid does try, but he just has a lot of difficulty with academics. I respect the latter group and I think that if he belongs to it and he's a good kid, then he deserves a shot.

But if he's a jackass of the Florida State Penitentary mold, then he should never touch a football for the rest of his life.

But again, I don't know anything about the kid, so I can't really make a judgement.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

really, it depends on what you go there for. Like I said, OSU has a pretty well-known & respected journalism program

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Ohio University. OU has one of the best journalism schools in the nation; Matt Lauer is one of their products that I know of.

OSU is a very good school that has recently raised its academic standards for non-athletic admissions. I go to what is arguably the best public school in the Columbus area and recently, some very smart kids that I know of have been rejected for one reason or another...

OSU is most known for its medical school... and besides that, I'm not certain.

 

[jiggafini19]

Again, all sports aside, Michigan is a tremendous school. Along with Illinois and Northwestern, it is the most competitive of the 11 to get into. Those three are very selective.

I don't like their athletic teams at all, but to go to school there as a student would be a tremendous opportunity for anyone that could have it.