Quinn for Heisman?!

[brucejcarr]

Look at what Pat Forde, said about Brady Quinn today.....

Pat Forde :

1. A confident Brady Quinn, operating behind an experienced line and armed with a better offense at Notre Dame. You read it here first: Quinn will emerge as a Heisman candidate.

2. Bobby Ross' second year at Army. He had the Black Knights playing better last year and it will be interesting to see the steps they make this season.

3. Navy continuing to show that you can still win by embracing the running game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2046622

 

[jiggafini19]

It's a long shot, but anything is possible. Ted Ginn, Devin Hester, Leinhart and Bush will all be favorites.

I like Adrian Peterson.

 

[sblxdoc]

wouldn't surprise me. ton of starters coming back on offense, great receiving core with killer tight ends.

 

[KMac151993]

Its kinda funny actually to even consider this. Hey wasn't it ESPN that said Powlus would win 2 Heisman's while at ND.

 

[Rip Rap]

Its kinda funny actually to even consider this. Hey wasn't it ESPN that said Powlus would win 2 Heisman's while at ND.

Beano Cook said that on ESPN, but I think he went all-out and predicted four of them. At least he means well.

I still contend Phelps, Theismann, and Cook are all we've got over there. Taylor is a fink, Ismail seems like a turncoat, and Golic is a loose-cannon.

 

[jiggafini19]

Cook said Powlus would win 2 Heismans and at least one national title. It was Cook that probably made the biggest and most publicized prediction about Powlus. I still contend that the expectations were far too high for Powlus and he hadn't even played a down.

Quinn is a huge long shot for this thing. He'd have to put up big time numbers to even get to the Downtown Athletic club as a finalist. And with so many out there drinking their ND Hateorade, I'd venture to say he'd get screwed anyway like Rocket did with Ty Detmer.

 

[nayers]

i say he he has a great year this year...enough to get him recognized for his senoir year. No way he beats the popularity contest this year with all the others, so i say he wins it his last year, that is if he stays around

 

[KMac151993]

HAHA if he stays around, where would he go?

 

[BigIrish]

HAHA if he stays around, where would he go?

;-) if quinn has a good enough year to seriously entertain the notion of leaving early for the pro's, we'll be hoisting a crystal football above our heads on january 4.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

Darius Walker for Heisman!

 

[KMac151993]

Walker has a better chance as a Senior then anyone else on the team right now ever would. Brady would have to go undefeated and throw for like 4,000+ yards and 30+ TD's to even have a shot, and that will never happen.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Walker has a better chance as a Senior then anyone else on the team right now ever would. Brady would have to go undefeated and throw for like 4,000+ yards and 30+ TD's to even have a shot, and that will never happen.

I don't know about that. QB's always have an edge over every other position in Heisman voting. and if ND manages to win a national title in the next couple years somehow, you can't tell me that picking the starting QB for a national title Notre Dame team wouldn't look attractive to the voters. They love storylines like that.

 

[jiggafini19]

;-) if quinn has a good enough year to seriously entertain the notion of leaving early for the pro's, we'll be hoisting a crystal football above our heads on january 4.

Let's not punt without a long snapper here. Pitt is four months away. Quinn and Walker would need to put up huge numbers to even be considered. Realistically, I'm not sure it is going to occur. It certainly can, but you've got to think that Leinhart/Bush would have the edge.

 

[BigIrish]

Let's not punt without a long snapper here. Pitt is four months away. Quinn and Walker would need to put up huge numbers to even be considered. Realistically, I'm not sure it is going to occur. It certainly can, but you've got to think that Leinhart/Bush would have the edge.

that's exactly my point. IMO, the irish would need to be playing for a national championship for quinn or any other ND player to be mentioned in the same sentence as the heisman trophy.

 

[nayers]

thats what i said. this year is to much of a popularity contest with a repeat in Leinart, or Bush, or Peterson, or Vince Young. There are to many good players for him to just move ahaead of the entire pack

 

[Aerosmith777]

This year you're probly right, but next year could be interesting. Still though, I think the Irish would need at the bare minimum a 9 win regular season for him even to be thought of. now-a-days nobody votes for players on 3 and 4 loss teams anymore. While I think that's certainly possible, that would be a pretty quick turnaround for Weis & company.

Just out of curiosity, if he wants to, Quinn still has 3 years of eligibility right (including this upcoming year)? If I'm right and he sticks around for all 3, he'd certainly have a great shot in the third year. Walker would be a senior then, Hord & Hiben would both be Juniors, and this class (which looks amazing so far) would be sophomores just coming into their own. If Quinn was there as a 5th year senior that would be a hell of a team.

 

[BigIrish]

This year you're probly right, but next year could be interesting. Still though, I think the Irish would need at the bare minimum a 9 win regular season for him even to be thought of. now-a-days nobody votes for players on 3 and 4 loss teams anymore. While I think that's certainly possible, that would be a pretty quick turnaround for Weis & company.

Just out of curiosity, if he wants to, Quinn still has 3 years of eligibility right (including this upcoming year)? If I'm right and he sticks around for all 3, he'd certainly have a great shot in the third year. Walker would be a senior then, Hord & Hiben would both be Juniors, and this class (which looks amazing so far) would be sophomores just coming into their own. If Quinn was there as a 5th year senior that would be a hell of a team.

Quinn doesn't get a 5th year. That is, unless sometime in the next two years, the NCAA adopts a proposal that provided all players with 5 years of eligibility and eliminated the "redshirt" system.

he started playing as a true freshman, this year was his soph. year, and he'll start his junior season in the fall.

 

[KMac151993]

Yeah he only has this year and next year, unless he would get injured and miss this entire season or next season there is no way he could come back for a 5th year.

 

[Aerosmith777]

got it. never totally understood eligibility rules to be honest, but i'll take your word for it. well, still, next year could be interesting.

 

[Irishjohn]

Give the Heisman to Bush or Peterson, I'll settle for a National Championship

 

[guff]

As I understand the eligibility rules a player can only take part in competition for four years. Competition equals playing in a game, not merely practicing with the team. If a player doesn't play in an official game for an entire season, he can 'redshirt' - that season will not count. Again as I understand it, ND as a general rule doesn't 'redshirt'. The player must apply for a 5th season, and get approval from the university. Most schools redshirt routinely, although it is becoming less prevalent.

 

[KMac151993]

It would be a very rare case however for a player that is eligible to apply for a 5th year and be declined by the university. The NCAA has a rule of how much game action you can see and still qualify to be "red-shirted." I dont remember the exact number but I was thinking that it was a couple games and then an injury and you could gain an extra year, but correct me if I am wrong.

 

[jiggafini19]

It would be a very rare case however for a player that is eligible to apply for a 5th year and be declined by the university. The NCAA has a rule of how much game action you can see and still qualify to be "red-shirted." I dont remember the exact number but I was thinking that it was a couple games and then an injury and you could gain an extra year, but correct me if I am wrong.

Cases like these are very rare, but they occur. Jason White was a six year guy. Illinois' Jon Beutjer was as well I believe.

The rule states that if a player appears in a game, that counts toward eligibiltiy. You could be on special teams and not even touch anyone, but it counts.

If that guy should get hurt after that, he would probably get the extra year if he had less than a minute of playing time logged.

 

[KMac151993]

I am not just talking about 6th year guys, there are dozens of players that play for 5 years due to one year getting injured in the first couple games of the season as I believe it is a % of the season that you can play before you lose that option, the NCAA usually grants those type of players an extra year if they seek it.

 

[BigIrish]

A few months back, there was an article that came out discussing the issues that would be addressed by the NCAA this year. 5 years of eligibility was one of them. Basically, it gives everyone 5 years and eliminates the need to redshirt players either through injury or lack of playing time on the field. Personally, I'd like to see them move to a model along those lines.