Will Kelly debut tag team offense against USC?

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Notre Dame football: Will Irish QB mix throw USC a curve? - wsbt.com

This is exciting. IMO.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

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[irishog77]

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One can never go wrong with that Tag Team!

 

[Aerosmith777]

His 78-yard run in the 59-33 drubbing of the Falcons fell one yard short of Bill Etter’s 42-year-old school record.

That sucks. If he hadn't stumbled at the end not only would he've scored a TD, he would've set a record.

Kelly consulted with former Florida coach Urban Meyer about the tag-team quarterback concept last spring. Meyer used it with great success during the Gators’ 2006 national title run.

Not sure how I feel about this, mainly since I have a visceral disklike of Urban Meyer. But he does know a thing or two about this 2-QB system thing.

I think Hendrix will probably see 15-30% of the snaps in games going forward. I just hope that BK doesn't make the mistake I think a lot of coaches trying to run 2-QB systems make, which is replacing the QB when the regular starter's hot, just b/c your gameplan says to. If ND gets the ball, and Rees led a 10 play 5 minute touchdown drive on the last posession, don't bring in Hendrix. Let Tommy stick in there for another posession. Now, if they're coming off a 3 & out on their last drive and he wants to get the kid in for some series, that's another story.

 

[PANDFAN]

not sure this is a debut seeing how Hendrix played 2 weeks ago

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

not sure this is a debut seeing how Hendrix played 2 weeks ago

True, but the way I understand it, it's going to be a steady thing now. Like trickeration. Ya digg?

 

[DaBLKIrishman]

This can be a great weapon against SC especially since Hendrix has shown he can pass as well and the defense won't be able to load up the box when he is in the game.

 

[TDHeysus]

I really see Galippo as being a person on USC that will be targeted. He cant cover any one of ND's offensive threats in coverage. Then after BK has Galippos head spinning with coverage, hendrix is going to exploit the middle.

 

[Veer option]

Using tag team QBs whilst winning = awesome sauce

Using tag team QBs whilst losing = desperation

 

[JughedJones]

That sucks. If he hadn't stumbled at the end not only would he've scored a TD, he would've set a record.



Not sure how I feel about this, mainly since I have a visceral disklike of Urban Meyer. But he does know a thing or two about this 2-QB system thing.

I think Hendrix will probably see 15-30% of the snaps in games going forward. I just hope that BK doesn't make the mistake I think a lot of coaches trying to run 2-QB systems make, which is replacing the QB when the regular starter's hot, just b/c your gameplan says to. If ND gets the ball, and Rees led a 10 play 5 minute touchdown drive on the last posession, don't bring in Hendrix. Let Tommy stick in there for another posession. Now, if they're coming off a 3 & out on their last drive and he wants to get the kid in for some series, that's another story.

I believe BK said after Air Force that the last thing he wants to do is bring in Hendrix when things aren't going well. He wants to bring him in when we are doing positive things. Makes sense to me.

 

[11cracker11]

I think it is vital to the ND offense to have a QB who can be a threat to keep the ball and run after the DE collapses. I like Rees because he is gritty and a winner, however, I think there are members of the OL who are quicker than he is. He is absolutely no threat to run which makes those "Option" hand offs pretty predictable since Ress can't pull the ball out and opposite side. I want to see Hendrix fake the hand off to Wood, then fake like he is going to run, and then pull up and find a, hopefully, wide open Tyler Eifert up the seam or TJ Jones running a Go route...

 

[JughedJones]

I think it is vital to the ND offense to have a QB who can be a threat to keep the ball and run after the DE collapses. I like Rees because he is gritty and a winner, however, I think there are members of the OL who are quicker than he is. He is absolutely no threat to run which makes those "Option" hand offs pretty predictable since Ress can't pull the ball out and opposite side. I want to see Hendrix fake the hand off to Wood, then fake like he is going to run, and then pull up and find a, hopefully, wide open Tyler Eifert up the seam or TJ Jones running a Go route...

Man that sounds good.

 

[kmoose]

I really see Galippo as being a person on USC that will be targeted. He cant cover any one of ND's offensive threats in coverage. Then after BK has Galippos head spinning with coverage, hendrix is going to exploit the middle.

That's assuming that Galippo isn't up in our QB's grill, all night. I know that he only has 1.5 sacks this season. But the couple of times that I have seen USC, he's been in the QB's face on most of his blitzes.

 

[TDHeysus]

That's assuming that Galippo isn't up in our QB's grill, all night. I know that he only has 1.5 sacks this season. But the couple of times that I have seen USC, he's been in the QB's face on most of his blitzes.

then the middle will be exploited with underneath passes....either way Galippo goes, I believe he is a weak point. if he rushes the passer, then quick passes are going to kill them. if he tries to cover anyone, thats is going to hurt and open the middle for runs. Galippo doesnt measure up.

 

[TDHeysus]

...I think Hendrix will probably see 15-30% of the snaps in games going forward. I just hope that BK doesn't make the mistake I think a lot of coaches trying to run 2-QB systems make, which is replacing the QB when the regular starter's hot, just b/c your gameplan says to.....

BK wanted to bring in Hendrix when things are going good in general, not in specific parts of the game, or if specific parts of the game was going good. BK meant when the team was playing well in general is when Hendrix would see action; It was 2-fold, Hendrix was to be brought in to 'strengthen tommy's hand', meaning a defense cant only game plan for tommy's strengths, they now have to account for a running QB. The other reason to bring in hendrix when the team was playing well, was to avoid any type of QB-controversy. Every interview I have seen from BK, he has stressed that adding Hendrix into the mix had to also put Tommy Rees in a better position.

If ND was not on the winning streak, then Hendrix would have never got into that game. The cards lined up right, because ND, at the time, had won 3 straight and it was also the game before the USC game. Now USC has to account for Hendrix, if ND was not on the win streak, and hendrix never got in the game, USC (and all other teams) would not have to account for Hendrix. They could just focus on stopping Tommy Rees, which now they cant do.

Tommy is the starter, Dayne is definitely the #2, and Hendrix has some plays to run but is not the #1, or #2 QB - that is a paraphrased quote from BK

 

[JughedJones]

BK:

"Hendrix will play this week, there's no question about that."

 

[irishtrinity]

Iknew we were going to the option at least a bit of it... Wait till we have Golson helping us out with it..

 

[PJWhitfield]

BK did a bit of the two QB thing at Cincy, though I think injuries backed him into it. Saturday is going to be very interesting. USC could have trouble getting the right defensive match-ups on the field.

 

[jason_h537]

I was really hoping this thread would turn into tag team wrestling. Wanted to talk about The Legion Of DOOOOOMM!!!!!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.....What a rush!!!!

 

[GreatGolson]

i could see him in if we are up by more than 7 or 10. gunna be interesting to see what happens on saturday

 

[NDinFL]

I was really hoping this thread would turn into tag team wrestling. Wanted to talk about The Legion Of DOOOOOMM!!!!!

Or perhaps "The Hart Foundation"?

 

[Aerosmith777]

I believe BK said after Air Force that the last thing he wants to do is bring in Hendrix when things aren't going well. He wants to bring him in when we are doing positive things. Makes sense to me.

BK wanted to bring in Hendrix when things are going good in general, not in specific parts of the game, or if specific parts of the game was going good. BK meant when the team was playing well in general is when Hendrix would see action; It was 2-fold, Hendrix was to be brought in to 'strengthen tommy's hand', meaning a defense cant only game plan for tommy's strengths, they now have to account for a running QB. The other reason to bring in hendrix when the team was playing well, was to avoid any type of QB-controversy. Every interview I have seen from BK, he has stressed that adding Hendrix into the mix had to also put Tommy Rees in a better position.

If ND was not on the winning streak, then Hendrix would have never got into that game.

That's all fine and good that he decided to bring him in against Air Force b/c the team was playing well, ntm waxing Air Force at the time. I'm talking about how he handles the situation going forward.

I stand by my original statement. If Rees just drove the field and the defense is incapable of stopping him, what possible good is there in brining Hendrix in then? Coaches running 2-QB systems do it all the time, but it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I'm not saying he can only bring Hendrix in after a 3 & out, and I'm definitely not saying he should always bring him in after a poor drive by Rees. I'm just saying that, as a general rule, when the offense is really flying under Rees (the guy who he says is his starter and the QB of the team), I think it's a mistake to bring Hendrix in if it's still a close game. If they're up huge he can do whatever he wants.

 

[kmoose]

That's all fine and good that he decided to bring him in against Air Force b/c the team was playing well, ntm waxing Air Force at the time. I'm talking about how he handles the situation going forward.

I stand by my original statement. If Rees just drove the field and the defense is incapable of stopping him, what possible good is there in brining Hendrix in then? Coaches running 2-QB systems do it all the time, but it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I'm not saying he can only bring Hendrix in after a 3 & out, and I'm definitely not saying he should always bring him in after a poor drive by Rees. I'm just saying that, as a general rule, when the offense is really flying under Rees (the guy who he says is his starter and the QB of the team), I think it's a mistake to bring Hendrix in if it's still a close game. If they're up huge he can do whatever he wants.

I don't disagree with your philosophy here. I think it's sound reasoning. But I'll trust BK to know when the time is right, and when it is not.

 

[woolybug25]

Hendrix is a huge advantage for us against USC. Not only did they have to practice for another front, but they also have to figure out a way to stop an additional running option of ours. USC's rushing D hasn't been too good this year and our rushing offense (even without Hendrix) has been pretty good. So they now have to be ready for our rushing game and an additional offensive front that features a running QB.

I don't want to hear the proverbial "if you have 2 QB's, it means you don't have a 1" comments. We aren't doing a QB by committee, we are utilizing our entire roster. Just like Urban's Florida team, there is no question who the QB is, it's Rees. Hendrix gives us the ability to run an entirely different offense or keep running the same base offense. This makes a defense completely off guard and forces them to play conservative. By using him situationally, teams cannot focus all of their attention to it. Otherwise, Rees will come back in and dice them up.

I love it. It completely changes what we can do offensively. I expect Hendrix to get time in every game going forward.

 

[woolybug25]

That's all fine and good that he decided to bring him in against Air Force b/c the team was playing well, ntm waxing Air Force at the time. I'm talking about how he handles the situation going forward.

I stand by my original statement. If Rees just drove the field and the defense is incapable of stopping him, what possible good is there in brining Hendrix in then? Coaches running 2-QB systems do it all the time, but it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I'm not saying he can only bring Hendrix in after a 3 & out, and I'm definitely not saying he should always bring him in after a poor drive by Rees. I'm just saying that, as a general rule, when the offense is really flying under Rees (the guy who he says is his starter and the QB of the team), I think it's a mistake to bring Hendrix in if it's still a close game. If they're up huge he can do whatever he wants.

I don't know of one situation where a coach (nfl or college) has instituted the 2-QB system and not done it successfully. They are always two different styles of QB's, so it certainly doesn't lead to QB controversy.

As far as bringing him in during a close game, that is when we should be putting him in. If a game is close, it means that you may need to do something different to get ahead and quit playing the back and forth style of game. This is when a running QB has it's most value. First, it makes them have to go into a conservative front to protect themselves from the big play or stack the line to stop the run. Either way, Hendrix can run or pass effectively. By taking them out of their gameplan, we open up opportunities to take them out of rhythm. If they play conservative, Hendrix can eat up the clock and score effectively by running the ball. If they stack the line, Hendrix can pass and still score, but it also takes them out of their gameplan and loosens them up for when Rees slides back in. This makes Rees' job much easier by mentally and physically tiring out their defense.

 

[greyhammer90]

I don't know of one situation where a coach (nfl or college) has instituted the 2-QB system and not done it successfully. They are always two different styles of QB's, so it certainly doesn't lead to QB controversy.

As far as bringing him in during a close game, that is when we should be putting him in. If a game is close, it means that you may need to do something different to get ahead and quit playing the back and forth style of game. This is when a running QB has it's most value. First, it makes them have to go into a conservative front to protect themselves from the big play or stack the line to stop the run. Either way, Hendrix can run or pass effectively. By taking them out of their gameplan, we open up opportunities to take them out of rhythm. If they play conservative, Hendrix can eat up the clock and score effectively by running the ball. If they stack the line, Hendrix can pass and still score, but it also takes them out of their gameplan and loosens them up for when Rees slides back in. This makes Rees' job much easier by mentally and physically tiring out their defense.

Eric Ainge, Rick Clausen Tennessee. I think 2005? Terrible, terrible system. Ainge for the long downs, clausen for the short downs. So bad.

 

[JeremyND07]

I am not a fan of the 2 QB system because so much of being sucessful as a QB is getting into a good rythm. I like Hendrix ability and I think we are a more dangerous offense with him or even Crist in there. The problem is Reese wins games so I really do not care who has the better natural ability!

 

[woolybug25]

Eric Ainge, Rick Clausen Tennessee. I think 2005? Terrible, terrible system. Ainge for the long downs, clausen for the short downs. So bad.

That's not what I am talking about. That was playing two QB's, not a 2 QB system. I'm talking about when a team plays two opposite QB's with different schemes. Ainge/Clausen was two different QB's running the same system. They just thought one was better than the other in certain downs. Completely different that Urban bringing in Tebow for change of pace. Defenses didn't have to make adjustments for the Ainge/Clausen combo.

 

[Aerosmith777]

I don't disagree with your philosophy here. I think it's sound reasoning. But I'll trust BK to know when the time is right, and when it is not.

That's fair. I'm not saying I'm against it, or that I'm assuming BK will mess it up. But I do have concerns.

I don't know of one situation where a coach (nfl or college) has instituted the 2-QB system and not done it successfully. They are always two different styles of QB's, so it certainly doesn't lead to QB controversy.

As far as bringing him in during a close game, that is when we should be putting him in. If a game is close, it means that you may need to do something different to get ahead and quit playing the back and forth style of game. This is when a running QB has it's most value. First, it makes them have to go into a conservative front to protect themselves from the big play or stack the line to stop the run. Either way, Hendrix can run or pass effectively. By taking them out of their gameplan, we open up opportunities to take them out of rhythm. If they play conservative, Hendrix can eat up the clock and score effectively by running the ball. If they stack the line, Hendrix can pass and still score, but it also takes them out of their gameplan and loosens them up for when Rees slides back in. This makes Rees' job much easier by mentally and physically tiring out their defense.

Really? You can't think of one? B/c most people have a hard time coming up with one that actually DID work. Leak & Tebow were the exception, not the rule.

And I didn't say he should never bring him in during a close game. What I said was, if the offense under Rees if flying high and can't be stopped, but the game is still close, that's when I don't want to see Hendrix.

I'll just say this now so I can't be accused of second-guessing later: It's easy to say we all love this idea coming off a romp against Air Force in which Hendrix rushed for 100+ yards and completed all his passes. The first time he comes in and throws a pick in a close game where Tommy was playing great & had led a TD drive on the posession before, I wonder how many will be screaming bloody murder about what a dumb idea this was?