Who's Next? - 2025 Edition

[rikkitikki08]

Just reminder to everyone, you freaking out doesn’t actually affect any of these kids coming to ND. Try to remember that, cheer hard for the Irish but don’t lose sleep over any of it.

That being said I slept terribly after the ND Ohio state game last season lol

 

[O’Irish]

Just to point out the QB recruiting... Wimbush was in '15, PJ in '18, and Buchner in '21. You can throw in Gunner Kiel but that was in '12. Kelly would get one Top 150/100 guy every other year or every three years.

Freeman has brought consisteny to QB recruiting. Minchey (#171), Carr (#68), Knight (#49) & Grubbs (#119).

i don’t rate Minchey like you do tho. he was a last minute pickup because we missed on everyone else. i think Carr is good and Knight is potentially elite but also potentially a taller left handed brandon wimbush; very high ceiling/fairly low floor

 

[O’Irish]

Just reminder to everyone, you freaking out doesn’t actually affect any of these kids coming to ND. Try to remember that, cheer hard for the Irish but don’t lose sleep over any of it.

That being said I slept terribly after the ND Ohio state game last season lol

no freaking out over here. just being realistic about where ND actually stands rn in CFB. Will always cheer them on but not ever gonna lie to myself about where they actually stand

 

[CanadalovesND]

i don’t rate Minchey like you do tho. he was a last minute pickup because we missed on everyone else. i think Carr is good and Knight is potentially elite but also potentially a taller left handed brandon wimbush; very high ceiling/fairly low floor

He committed in November, not last minute. And does it matter when he committed? Point is that he signed with ND.

 

[O’Irish]

He committed in November, not last minute. And does it matter when he committed? Point is that he signed with ND.

signing day is in december and we were about to have no QBs in the class. so it is relevant. he kinda jumped on board outta nowhere because we were desperate

 

[CanadalovesND]

signing day is in december and we were about to have no QBs in the class. so it is relevant. he kinda jumped on board outta nowhere because we were desperate

Minchey reached out to ND. Was ND out of options? Yes. But Minchey came back around on his own accord largely by how he was treated in his recruitment by Freeman & Rees (prior to his Pitt commitment)

I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time understanding your logic. You say Minchey doesn't count because it was last minute. It doesn't matter when a guy joins the class when you are in a discussion about the success of QB recruiting.

Should we not consider the recruiting victory of Audric Estime, flipping him really late from MSU? Of course we would. Because he signed with ND in the end.

It's just odd that your justification is the timing of a commitment.

 

[Rocketman84]

Unfortunately i am closer to agreement than I want to be with this.

Plain and simple

 

[O’Irish]

Minchey reached out to ND. Was ND out of options? Yes. But Minchey came back around on his own accord largely by how he was treated in his recruitment by Freeman & Rees (prior to his Pitt commitment)

I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time understanding your logic. You say Minchey doesn't count because it was last minute. It doesn't matter when a guy joins the class when you are in a discussion about the success of QB recruiting.

Should we not consider the recruiting victory of Audric Estime, flipping him really late from MSU? Of course we would. Because he signed with ND in the end.

It's just odd that your justification is the timing of a commitment.

you’re misunderstanding my point. my point was that i don’t rate Minchey as being worth bragging about as a big win for Freeman vs Kelly. We took a recruit from PITT, big whoop. My guess is most Pitt commits would jump at the chance to play for ND instead. now if we were stealing commits from michigan, UGA, Bama, and those types of school that’s a different story. But the opposite is happening (keon keely, peyton bowen, ivan taylor)

 

[rikkitikki08]

no freaking out over here. just being realistic about where ND actually stands rn in CFB. Will always cheer them on but not ever gonna lie to myself about where they actually stand

Maybe I’m getting old and don’t really care about recruiting but I just don’t really give a shit anymore, if they come to ND and ball out great, if not so be it . I’m only in my mid 30s and I truly believe ND will win a national title in my lifetime. I can live with that

With the exception of Saturdays in the fall most days I’m more worried about keeping my kids alive and how I can keep myself from pissing off my wife too much lol Just offering a different perspective is all.

 

[BeauBenken]

you’re misunderstanding my point. my point was that i don’t rate Minchey as being worth bragging about as a big win for Freeman vs Kelly. We took a recruit from PITT, big whoop. My guess is most Pitt commits would jump at the chance to play for ND instead. now if we were stealing commits from michigan, UGA, Bama, and those types of school that’s a different story. But the opposite is happening (keon keely, peyton bowen, ivan taylor)

When is the last time Michigan had a number of recruits we wanted committed to them?

How often can the top commits to Georgia, Bama, and Ohio State even get into ND?

 

[CanadalovesND]

you’re misunderstanding my point. my point was that i don’t rate Minchey as being worth bragging about as a big win for Freeman vs Kelly. We took a recruit from PITT, big whoop. My guess is most Pitt commits would jump at the chance to play for ND instead. now if we were stealing commits from michigan, UGA, Bama, and those types of school that’s a different story. But the opposite is happening (keon keely, peyton bowen, ivan taylor)

Okay.

Then even if you aren't counting Minchey for your own reasons, Carr-Knight-Grubbs is the best three-man QB haul in consecutive years in a long time. My point being that Kelly wasnt able to recruit the QB position that consistently, but Freeman has already despite not being the offensive guy that Kelly was hyped up to be coming from Cincinnati.

And what about the recruits ND beat Bama, Georgia, Michigan and even Ohio State for? That should count in this discussion. You want to steal but don't have to if you win the battle in the first place. And sure, ND has lost some too.

 

[O’Irish]

When is the last time Michigan had a number of recruits we wanted committed to them?

How often can the top commits to Georgia, Bama, and Ohio State even get into ND?

well, ivan taylor, today lol

they’ve flipped a ND commit in 5 straight classes.

ND isn’t stanford when it comes to admissions for athletes. that’s just a cope. the problem is the kids that typically choose UGA, Bama, OSU want to play for an elite football program first and foremost that will prepare them for the NFL and that’s not ND, at least not rn.

 

[O’Irish]

Okay.

Then even if you aren't counting Minchey for your own reasons, Carr-Knight-Grubbs is the best three-man QB haul in consecutive years in a long time. My point being that Kelly wasnt able to recruit the QB position that consistently, but Freeman has already despite not being the offensive guy that Kelly was hyped up to be coming from Cincinnati.

And what about the recruits ND beat Bama, Georgia, Michigan and even Ohio State for? That should count in this discussion. You want to steal but don't have to if you win the battle in the first place. And sure, ND has lost some too.

i agree, Kelly was never the offensive/qb mastermind he was sold to us as. Carr is the only one of those 3 actually signed and on campus so let’s wait and see.

let’s be honest ND isn’t winning many head to head battles with Bama, Uga or OSU for recruits that those schools genuinely want and are putting the full court press on

 

[ChunkyParrot]

well, ivan taylor, today lol

they’ve flipped a ND commit in 5 straight classes.

ND isn’t stanford when it comes to admissions for athletes. that’s just a cope. the problem is the kids that typically choose UGA, Bama, OSU want to play for an elite football program first and foremost that will prepare them for the NFL and that’s not ND, at least not rn.

You might want to take a closer look at names and circumstances of that “flips in 5 straight classes” stat.

 

[benneboy]

well, ivan taylor, today lol

they’ve flipped a ND commit in 5 straight classes.

ND isn’t stanford when it comes to admissions for athletes. that’s just a cope. the problem is the kids that typically choose UGA, Bama, OSU want to play for an elite football program first and foremost that will prepare them for the NFL and that’s not ND, at least not rn.

They have not. You're starting to sound uninformed

 

[BeauBenken]

well, ivan taylor, today lol

they’ve flipped a ND commit in 5 straight classes.

ND isn’t stanford when it comes to admissions for athletes. that’s just a cope. the problem is the kids that typically choose UGA, Bama, OSU want to play for an elite football program first and foremost that will prepare them for the NFL and that’s not ND, at least not rn.

Dude if you're taking the EJ Holland bait you haven't really been following.

Hillman was rejected by admissions (his own words); Crippen and Wafle were told to look around (not decisions I'm in necessary agreement with but whatever); Walker ND wanted but he isn't even at Michigan anymore because he couldn't get on the field (EDIT: sorry, I forgot he's gone back); Taylor stinks but we're sitting pretty with our DB class.

 

[O’Irish]

You might want to take a closer look at names and circumstances of that “flips in 5 straight classes” stat.

my original post this was in response to was that if notre dame was flipping michigan, uga, bama, OSU commits instead of Pitt and MSU commits that would be a bigger deal. and someone singled out michigan. i stand by my point that stealing a commit from michigan (imo our most hated rival) is a bigger deal than stealing minchey from pitt.

 

[O’Irish]

They have not. You're starting to sound uninformed

they literally have though

 

[NDpendent]

God this board needs to be closed for 48 hours to relax

This shit is exhausting. I am thinking of peacing out for a few days because this board is so intolerable right now

 

[benneboy]

they literally have though

They. Literally. Have. Not
Former Irish signee Hillman opens up about why he didn't end up at ND

 

[Ndaccountant]

 

[O’Irish]

They. Literally. Have. Not
Former Irish signee Hillman opens up about why he didn't end up at ND

i’ll take the L on this

 

[Blazers46]

Dude if you're taking the EJ Holland bait you haven't really been following.

Hillman was rejected by admissions (his own words); Crippen and Wafle were told to look around (not decisions I'm in necessary agreement with but whatever); Walker ND wanted but he isn't even at Michigan anymore because he couldn't get on the field (EDIT: sorry, I forgot he's gone back); Taylor stinks but we're sitting pretty with our DB class.

Nd has been ranked higher in all 5 (this one still pending) of those years on recruiting as well. Hardly getting owned.

 

[O’Irish]

Nd has been ranked higher in all 5 (this one still pending) of those years on recruiting as well. Hardly getting owned.

who said anything about getting owned by michigan?

 

[Blazers46]

who said anything about getting owned by michigan?

Or whatever the EJ guy said…

Wake me up when the season starts… others people’s sky’s are falling on me.

 

[ColinKSU]

I don’t even want to think about what it would mean … freeman can’t set this program back

2026 is what has me concerned with Brown because that also doesn’t sound great? I’m desperate for a WR coach who isn’t in over his head.

 

[jprue24]

I’m desperate for a WR coach who isn’t in over his head.

 

[Redbar]

I agree with the bolded. Recruiting has only been marginally better under Freeman than Kelly.

So you are saying we probably shouldn’t have fired Kelly????
Not necessarily @you, but so frickin sick of this statement/false equivalency. I mean who really gives af. Kelly is someplace else. And he is a prick there too.

 

[a mike]

I think maybe perpetually finishing in the 8-12 range may say more about ND than it does about either Kelly or Freeman

I did/still do at this point feel Freeman is better organized and more proactive/nimble than Kelly ever was

I also appreciate his emphasis on measurables/potential over skill when it comes to targeting certain positions where the pickings may be a bit more slim

However, the handling of WR recruiting this cycle is concerning and quite frankly something Kelly would seemingly do at at least one position group per cycle. Which would inevitably lead to some type of glaring weakness/issue down the line

Prior to this cycle, Freeman had done very well at reading tea leaves and being proactive with backup plans, etc

At this point I don't even think getting both Robinson and Hines is too much to write home about, getting one is like the bare minimum, and obviously neither is abject failure

Still not sure how they passed on Hall unless they're very confident they can flip him if need be. And also not sure even why they were so late to the party with him. We all get the score on JBJr, but Hall is objectively speaking a cut above Plax Jr and Terry

Then the guys they allegedly dropped or backed out on--just quite a few head scratchers

Have also heard it mentioned Brown is not getting much traction on 26 kids

Luckily it's the portal era and missing out won't be quite the blow it used to be--but not at least matching the hauls from the prior two years at WR would obviously be pretty disappointing. Can't go backwards

 

[Irishdwarte]

i’ll take the L on this

Also, Waffle and Crippen were processed. Walker and Taylor flipped.