Trump Presidency

[IrishLax]

Agree with your first point. I feel the same way about term limits.

Term limits would be amazing! They're very popular among the public too. What's sad is that even when people have voted them in at the state level for their congressional representatives, they got overturned in the Supreme Court. And Congress is never going to police themselves.

Reps and Senators should also be banned from lobbying for at least 5-10 years after leaving office, IMO.

 

[IrishLax]

I posted that I don't care about the tax returns, but that's based on current law that doesn't require it. I would be all for a law that requires anyone running for the House, Senate or Prez or gets elected to provide their tax returns as soon as the file to run.

To the bolded, I don't think this is the case. People care as demonstrated by the healthy dialogue in this thread. What do you do when neither candidate passes the smell test? What's the alternative, don't vote?

A lot of people talking about it but how many actually read the long ass NYT article? I did, but even I had to do some hijinx to get around the paywall. I think most have just read snippets and tweets that contextualize it in a slanted-left or slanted-right kind of way.

 

[NorthDakota]

Term limits would be amazing! They're very popular among the public too. What's sad is that even when people have voted them in at the state level for their congressional representatives, they got overturned in the Supreme Court. And Congress is never going to police themselves.

Reps and Senators should also be banned from lobbying for at least 5-10 years after leaving office, IMO.

I'd be much more open to a ban on lobbying after leaving Congress than to term limits. If I recall, Arkansas once tried imposing term limits on their own Congressmen and it was ruled unconstitutional. US Constitution determines eligibility to run, and i have a feeling it would somehow turn into a partisan battle which we all know makes it very difficult to pass.

 

[IrishLax]

Let's do this!! lol. Alright man, so as you know I don't disagree that Trump is disgusting or a liar, so let's focus on Biden. I'll start with just big animal pictures, but will go deeper if need be.

1. He's stolen content and is a serial plagiarist.
https://youtu.be/mCJMF7mflGE
2. He's lied about his education (HBCU) just recently which is just bizarre, his education, his GPA, his class standing, etc..
3. Forget the gaffes, there's plenty of lies. Some of the stuff he's made up is just disturbingly whacko. He's like Forrest Gump almost taking part of all kinds of stuff lol. Here's some historical stuff, along with more recent fact checks. All kinds of stuff out there, but I'll limit it to:
https://youtu.be/JvOjlfRpXHQ
https://youtu.be/ciXaP26TJBg?list=TLPQMjgwOTIwMjAHMNJSLfcuNQ
https://youtu.be/wA-lQEYaulc
https://youtu.be/RVNDnq9Zdd8
https://youtu.be/wTgPbLkh3F0
https://youtu.be/lh2pNQyKsdI
https://youtu.be/digRNl-tmKI
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=joe-biden
3. He's taken credit for everything except the internet (which I'm just not sure if he's discovers yet). There's a great vid out there I'll try to find.
4. The whole Hunter Biden stuff is just swampy. There's no plausible reason other than buying access. It's just intellectually dishonest to think Hunter is qualified for anything.
5. The creepy Joe stuff is LOL. Even the MSM couldn't hide from it.
https://youtu.be/wcpX2wYUr88
https://youtu.be/DAUOurZIVfI
https://youtu.be/T18_OJKtC-Y

So IMO, there's no doubt he easily meets threshold for lying, swampy, and creepy. You can argue Trump is "more" fill in the blank, but there's no denying Biden checks the boxes. And if both check the boxes.... It's not a "well, Biden lies only 60% of the time, and Trump lies 70% time". Both are clearly liars.

Aight so I went through all the info I could. I appreciate you taking the time to put all this together in a constructive way, so I gave it as much attention as I could in the middle of a work day:
1. It's funny that this is linked from Donald Trump's youtube channel where he says "Joe Biden's lies are legendary. As the last year has proved, he's still the same dishonest plagiarist he was 33 years ago." That is peak irony. I'm not going to defend plagiarism, but let's not pretend this is some high crime.

2. He has an honorary degree from them and has spoken there multiple times, so what we're really quibbling over is word choice "got started." He never said he attended there as an undergrad, etc. People just choose to interpret "got started" that way (which is fine) but if that's the standard you want to go to then I dunno where you even start with someone like Trump who can't compose a single sentence with correct syntax.

3. I don't have the time to go through all those videos right now... that's a lot of content lol... but I watched the first one that has five Biden "lies" and 1) they're quibbling over detained versus arrested. big deal. 2) they've already talked about this story at length, and it's not "made up" at all. it just has some details wrong. the guy in the video is intentionally distorting the situation and giving no context 3) he goes back to something from 1998 as proof of a "lie" even though it has no context to what he was talking about many years later specifically with Bush. The part about "I opposed the war immediately after it started" is definitely 100% a lie tho 4) this is again completely out of context trying to disingenuously play clips off of each other. It's a fact that he participated in the civil rights movement, the only question is the degree. The Washington Post gave him shit for embellishing his role there, but even Fox News admits that he participated in sit-ins for desegregation and participated in a picket for desegregation 5) the irony here is that The Intercept intentionally uses this one as an analogue to Trump lying about his academics -- so I'll leave it at this... if all the videos are intentionally slanted like that it's a total nothing burger.

4. The Hunter Biden stuff is the biggest sham of all time. Everybody (including, ironically, Ron Johnson who just released the report) wanted that prosecutor gone. This was a global thing to be tougher on corruption. No investigation has proven a shred of malfeasance on Joe Biden's behalf. The Republican commissioned report even acknowledges that. The worst they could come up with was the opinion that Hunter Biden was "problematic" while acknowledging his position had no impact on US policy. Don't talk about "swamp" when Trump is the swamp king with more criminal indictments in his administration than any President on record and enriching his own businesses/children in questionable ways.

5. Everyone knows about touchy Joe Biden. This doesn't really have anything to do with lying, but if we want to contrast it to Trump sexual conduct there's a difference between being "creepy" and what Trump has admitted to doing; has been accused of doing; and has made settlements for. Nevermind that he wishes sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell the best and people don't even bat an eye.

So my conclusion going through all that info is that Trump is still the worst. I don't think you can just say "well they're both turds so it doesn't matter." Biden lies are what you expect from a typical politician, Trump lies are at a never before seen level of crazy and dishonesty. And if there's a fact checker tomorrow night, you'll see more of the same -- incredible lies from Trump, typical issues from Biden.

 

[Irish YJ]

.Look at the popular vote of that primary. Bernie also raised more money. I agree as far as the delegates in the primary and EC in the general. Not a fan. Land doesn't vote. People do.

Look at the states he won, then the overall popular vote of that primary. He lost. It wasn't rigged because he lost. Don't hate the player, hate the game. The DNC may have wanted her to win, but he had 3 million less votes?

I do hate the game. Wasserman Schultz, the chair of the DNC actively supported HRC's candidacy. When this stuff happens, it creates the early perception that for instance HRC is unbeatable, and totally screwed a lot of the momentum Sanders had. The "first instance" vs convention results were like a 7 state swing. It's funny though, the Southern states literally saved HRC lol.

To be honest, I'm happy with the party infighting lol.

Newt didn't exactly use a whiffle ball bat when he became Speaker until Bill Clinton. Come on.

How'd she get so unlikable? That message had to be driven home from somewhere. Give the GOP more credit. They're better at the game. You know who has the ads out there right now? The Lincoln Project. They're Republicans. Democrats should hire Republicans to do their ads. Way more effective.

Dude, haven't you ever watched HRC talk? I never had to watch a GOP ad to see she's total and complete XXXX. Bill, even with all his BS, is still a likeable personality.

As far as Newt, he was one of the rare ones. Compared to how dems stick together even when shit like Bernie getting screwed happens, tells you all you need to know.

 

[Irish YJ]

Aight so I went through all the info I could. I appreciate you taking the time to put all this together in a constructive way, so I gave it as much attention as I could in the middle of a work day:

Understood, and back at you.

1. It's funny that this is linked from Donald Trump's youtube channel where he says "Joe Biden's lies are legendary. As the last year has proved, he's still the same dishonest plagiarist he was 33 years ago." That is peak irony. I'm not going to defend plagiarism, but let's not pretend this is some high crime.

Doesn't matter where it's from if it's true. I get the irony but it's not wrong. As far as the plagiarism, no it's not a high crime, but speaks to his character. And he did it over, and over, and over again.

2. He has an honorary degree from them and has spoken there multiple times, so what we're really quibbling over is word choice "got started." He never said he attended there as an undergrad, etc. People just choose to interpret "got started" that way (which is fine) but if that's the standard you want to go to then I dunno where you even start with someone like Trump who can't compose a single sentence with correct syntax.

It's not just the HBCU stuff at all. He lied about his grades, his placement in class, etc. etc. Those weren't quibbles.

3. I don't have the time to go through all those videos right now... that's a lot of content lol... but I watched the first one that has five Biden "lies" and 1) they're quibbling over detained versus arrested. big deal. 2) they've already talked about this story at length, and it's not "made up" at all. it just has some details wrong. the guy in the video is intentionally distorting the situation and giving no context 3) he goes back to something from 1998 as proof of a "lie" even though it has no context to what he was talking about many years later specifically with Bush. The part about "I opposed the war immediately after it started" is definitely 100% a lie tho 4) this is again completely out of context trying to disingenuously play clips off of each other. It's a fact that he participated in the civil rights movement, the only question is the degree. The Washington Post gave him shit for embellishing his role there, but even Fox News admits that he participated in sit-ins for desegregation and participated in a picket for desegregation 5) the irony here is that The Intercept intentionally uses this one as an analogue to Trump lying about his academics -- so I'll leave it at this... if all the videos are intentionally slanted like that it's a total nothing burger.

Sorry man, the Mandela topic is full of lies and embellishment. I can bullet point it if you want. I can get specific on the civil rights stuff too, but in short, the guy paints himself like he walked the bridge in Selma lol. He participated in a few low profile things. And he keeps repeating stuff we all know didn't happen.

4. The Hunter Biden stuff is the biggest sham of all time. Everybody (including, ironically, Ron Johnson who just released the report) wanted that prosecutor gone. This was a global thing to be tougher on corruption. No investigation has proven a shred of malfeasance on Joe Biden's behalf. The Republican commissioned report even acknowledges that. The worst they could come up with was the opinion that Hunter Biden was "problematic" while acknowledging his position had no impact on US policy. Don't talk about "swamp" when Trump is the swamp king with more criminal indictments in his administration than any President on record and enriching his own businesses/children in questionable ways.

I didn't even mention the prosecutor. So simple questions. Why do you think of all companies, Burisma gives Hunter a position and a bunch of money? Why do you think of all countries, China gives Hunter a butt load?

And sorry, but a WAPO opinion piece (I did not read, will if I have time tonight) is just not going to move the needle for me given all I've already read.

Again, not comparing Trump swamp to Biden swamp. The simple fact is, Biden is absolutely swamp.

5. Everyone knows about touchy Joe Biden. This doesn't really have anything to do with lying, but if we want to contrast it to Trump sexual conduct there's a difference between being "creepy" and what Trump has admitted to doing; has been accused of doing; and has made settlements for. Nevermind that he wishes sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell the best and people don't even bat an eye.

Nothing to do with lying. More to the creepy/disgusting label. Let's not forget creepy Joe is accused of doing something that Trump is slammed for saying (grabbing her by the xx) lol.

So my conclusion going through all that info is that Trump is still the worst. I don't think you can just say "well they're both turds so it doesn't matter." Biden lies are what you expect from a typical politician, Trump lies are at a never before seen level of crazy and dishonesty. And if there's a fact checker tomorrow night, you'll see more of the same -- incredible lies from Trump, typical issues from Biden.

Sorry man, you and I don't see it the same. I see tons of lies, a pattern of lies, repetition of the same lies, etc.. And that's on top of the embellishing and waffling.

Simple question, if Biden were a used car salesman, would you buy from him? You wouldn't. You wouldn't buy from Trump either. If you had to buy a car from one of them, that would really suck. Now let's say that you like GM cars and hate Fords, and I like Fords, and hate GMs. If Biden is selling GMs and Trump is selling Fords, you're probably buying from Biden. I like Fords, so I'm taking my chance buying from Trump. If Biden sold a Ford, I might buy from Biden, but he's not selling them, so it's not really even something I would begin to ponder.

 

[PraetorianND]

I mean, we’re also ignoring the fact that he tries to physically fight everyone that disagrees with him and legit has dementia.

 

[TorontoGold]

I mean, we’re also ignoring the fact that he tries to physically fight everyone that disagrees with him and legit has dementia.

Thank god you put the "phyiscally fight" line, otherwise you could be talking about Donny.

 

[PraetorianND]

Thank god you put the "phyiscally fight" line, otherwise you could be talking about Donny.

Adults don’t fight. They just make up semi-clever insulting names for people. C’mon man!

 

[Irish YJ]

I mean, we’re also ignoring the fact that he tries to physically fight everyone that disagrees with him and legit has dementia.

The arguments, and stuff like him putting his hands on guys, are FAF. I'd just once love to see someone put their hands on him in response. That one guy should have said "get your f'ing hands off my jacket".

His short fuse should make the debate a fun watch. He's no longer catching soft balls. I've got popcorn and a bottle of red waiting for tomorrow.

What is interesting in a poll I saw a bit ago, 18% of people said the debate was extremely critical/important to their decision on who to vote for. That's a lot. I'm one of the 44% that said it doesn't matter.

 

[PraetorianND]

The arguments, and stuff like him putting his hands on guys, are FAF. I'd just once love to see someone put their hands on him in response. That one guy should have said "get your f'ing hands off my jacket".

His short fuse should make the debate a fun watch. He's no longer catching soft balls. I've got popcorn and a bottle of red waiting for tomorrow.

What is interesting in a poll I saw a bit ago, 18% of people said the debate was extremely critical/important to their decision on who to vote for. That's a lot. I'm one of the 44% that said it doesn't matter.

Ya I’m pumped! I still don’t think it’s going to materialize, but I’m hopeful it happens. This is gonna epic level childish behavior that I for one think we need more of in politics.

 

[drayer54]

Yep. And one other thing. I have a lot of mixed views on the left and right scale. I see Biden as more destructive to my right leaning views, than Trump to my left leaning views. And Biden, and the DNC in general, are far more destructive to my centrist views than Trump. And Trump checks the box for me with SCOTUS, which if all else fails, or all things equal, is my fallback item.

You're so deplorable.

 

[Irish YJ]

Ya I’m pumped! I still don’t think it’s going to materialize, but I’m hopeful it happens. This is gonna epic level childish behavior that I for one think we need more of in politics.

A buddy of mine swears that Biden is going to conveniently catch Covid, and be unavailable for the debates lol.

Yea, should be epic. With the lack of new series and movies to entertain, this helps lol. I'd prefer a cage match between the two, but I'll take what's available. Maybe Joe will challenge him to a pushup contest.

 

[NorthDakota]

The lies about law school and his family's death alone indicate he is as bad a liar as Donald. If people want to vote for him because they think he is an honest person, or honest relative to Trump, they are mistaken. They are both compulsive liars and not in the normal political "half-truth" sorta way.

If you didn't go to law school on a full ride and say you did, you are a bad liar. If you claim you finished towards the top of your class when you finished near the bottom, you are a bad liar. If you slander the dude who was involved in the accident that killed your wife and kid(s) in order to get sympathy points, you are an objectively bad person.

Most folks don't claim Donald is a good guy because most folks are aware he is not. But many many folks seem very comfortable asserting that Biden is a good, decent, honest man when he has lied about more than his fair share of things that are objectively inexcusable.

People would be better off admitting the reason they support Biden is either A.) They hate Trump and/or B.) They have a left of center political preference. Both of those are perfectly acceptable reasons to vote for him, just don't lie to yourself or others that he is somehow a good guy or something, because he isn't.

 

[NorthDakota]

Adults don’t fight. They just make up semi-clever insulting names for people. C’mon man!

Nobody is better than Donald at that lol. In another life him and Chris Berman would have made a hell of a team at giving athletes nicknames

 

[Irish YJ]

You're so deplorable.

Thank you. You can smell me at both Walmart and Whole Foods, although not in Virginia.

 

[Irish#1]

I typically don't watch the debates or only watch about 30 minutes. I think I'll watch the entire thing tonight. Should be entertaining.

 

[drayer54]

I typically don't watch the debates or only watch about 30 minutes. I think I'll watch the entire thing tonight. Should be entertaining.

I'll watch the highlight reel. I know who I'm voting for.

 

[IrishLax]

The lies about law school and his family's death alone indicate he is as bad a liar as Donald. If people want to vote for him because they think he is an honest person, or honest relative to Trump, they are mistaken. They are both compulsive liars and not in the normal political "half-truth" sorta way.

If you didn't go to law school on a full ride and say you did, you are a bad liar. If you claim you finished towards the top of your class when you finished near the bottom, you are a bad liar. If you slander the dude who was involved in the accident that killed your wife and kid(s) in order to get sympathy points, you are an objectively bad person.

Most folks don't claim Donald is a good guy because most folks are aware he is not. But many many folks seem very comfortable asserting that Biden is a good, decent, honest man when he has lied about more than his fair share of things that are objectively inexcusable.

People would be better off admitting the reason they support Biden is either A.) They hate Trump and/or B.) They have a left of center political preference. Both of those are perfectly acceptable reasons to vote for him, just don't lie to yourself or others that he is somehow a good guy or something, because he isn't.

Yeah but those folks entail everyone from Lindsey Graham to Barrack Obama to John McCain to Nancy Pelosi to Colin Powell to on and on and on.

There is a huge crossection of people from all over the political spectrum that have said on record that Joe Biden is a good guy with his heart in the right place when it comes to governing. But people want to seize on a handful of (ultimately irrelevant) lies or exaggerations and pretend that's equivalent to the biggest liar to ever hold public office? A guy who invents his own alternate reality and refuses to deal in facts on any issue? Again, getting slapped in the face or your arm chopped off are both 'assault' but they aren't the same thing.

 

[IrishLax]

I didn't even mention the prosecutor. So simple questions. Why do you think of all companies, Burisma gives Hunter a position and a bunch of money? Why do you think of all countries, China gives Hunter a butt load?

And sorry, but a WAPO opinion piece (I did not read, will if I have time tonight) is just not going to move the needle for me given all I've already read.

Again, not comparing Trump swamp to Biden swamp. The simple fact is, Biden is absolutely swamp.

There's a big difference between your kid leveraging his last name to make money... and the Vice President himself "selling access." There isn't evidence of the latter. When even the Republicans acknowledge and affirm that there was no wrongdoing by Joe Biden, and that there was no impact to US Policy from anyone in the US government due to Hunter's position, then what are we really talking about? Just a sketchy person (Hunter) enriching himself? Am I responsible for everything my kid does?

Sorry man, you and I don't see it the same. I see tons of lies, a pattern of lies, repetition of the same lies, etc.. And that's on top of the embellishing and waffling.

Simple question, if Biden were a used car salesman, would you buy from him? You wouldn't. You wouldn't buy from Trump either. If you had to buy a car from one of them, that would really suck. Now let's say that you like GM cars and hate Fords, and I like Fords, and hate GMs. If Biden is selling GMs and Trump is selling Fords, you're probably buying from Biden. I like Fords, so I'm taking my chance buying from Trump. If Biden sold a Ford, I might buy from Biden, but he's not selling them, so it's not really even something I would begin to ponder.

Yeah I think this analogy is legit, and there are a lot of people in my life that feel that way. Almost all my close friends from ND were Republicans when we were in school but are either not voting or voting Biden in this election. Those that are still voting for Trump basically say they'd rather deal with his flaws, lies, and moral failings then empower someone to go against conservative policy positions.

 

[NorthDakota]

I have a hard time believing anyone in the media would brush say...Tiffany Trump receiving $3.5 million from a Russian politician under the rug the way lib media has done so for Hunter Biden. We'd have stories from every outlet claiming it as a smoking gun of some variety.

It's beyond goofy how literally every story about Biden is portrayed in the best possible light while every Trump story is construed in the most negative possible light. Is there some media court where the GOP is constantly filing motions for summary judgment or something?

 

[Irish YJ]

There's a big difference between your kid leveraging his last name to make money... and the Vice President himself "selling access." There isn't evidence of the latter. When even the Republicans acknowledge and affirm that there was no wrongdoing by Joe Biden, and that there was no impact to US Policy from anyone in the US government due to Hunter's position, then what are we really talking about? Just a sketchy person (Hunter) enriching himself? Am I responsible for everything my kid does?

To me, it's not really the impact to policy, but I do disagree on if access was sold or not. China doesn't toss a billion at Hunter without some agreed to benefit. Neither does Burisma. The biggest thing is Joe allowing it. And no, you're not responsible for everything your kid does, but you don't fly him on your tax payer paid for plane to close the deal either. Joe not only allowed it to happen, he actively enabled it at minimum. If you don't want your kid smoking weed, you don't fly him to Denver and drop him in front of dispensary.

Yeah I think this analogy is legit, and there are a lot of people in my life that feel that way. Almost all my close friends from ND were Republicans when we were in school but are either not voting or voting Biden in this election. Those that are still voting for Trump basically say they'd rather deal with his flaws, lies, and moral failings then empower someone to go against conservative policy positions.

Yea, it's definitely part of it. But honestly though, if the Dems weren't so batshit crazy right now, AND they had a candidate better than Joe who was clearly centrist, I'd strongly consider voting for them. I don't think I'll ever see it again though. I just can't see the left slowing the drift farther left. Still waiting on a viable 3rd party. I know, not going happen.

 

[yankeehater]

There's a big difference between your kid leveraging his last name to make money... and the Vice President himself "selling access." There isn't evidence of the latter. When even the Republicans acknowledge and affirm that there was no wrongdoing by Joe Biden, and that there was no impact to US Policy from anyone in the US government due to Hunter's position, then what are we really talking about? Just a sketchy person (Hunter) enriching himself? Am I responsible for everything my kid does?



Yeah I think this analogy is legit, and there are a lot of people in my life that feel that way. Almost all my close friends from ND were Republicans when we were in school but are either not voting or voting Biden in this election. Those that are still voting for Trump basically say they'd rather deal with his flaws, lies, and moral failings then empower someone to go against conservative policy positions.

LAX.....I disagree. Joe Biden flew over with Hunter on several occasions in his government plane and capacity. He claimed to not know about the people Hunter was meeting with yet we now know Joe was briefed on many occasions regarding Hunter and his interactions. So you are to believe everyone in the family, i.e. Joe's brother too, were wielding influence around the globe and Joe was in the dark?

 

[NorthDakota]

LAX.....I disagree. Joe Biden flew over with Hunter on several occasions in his government plane and capacity. He claimed to not know about the people Hunter was meeting with yet we now know Joe was briefed on many occasions regarding Hunter and his interactions. So you are to believe everyone in the family, i.e. Joe's brother too, were wielding influence around the globe and Joe was in the dark?

To be fair, most learned people seem to agree that Biden is wrong about literally everything that goes on outside of America's borders.

 

[IrishLax]

LAX.....I disagree. Joe Biden flew over with Hunter on several occasions in his government plane and capacity. He claimed to not know about the people Hunter was meeting with yet we now know Joe was briefed on many occasions regarding Hunter and his interactions. So you are to believe everyone in the family, i.e. Joe's brother too, were wielding influence around the globe and Joe was in the dark?

No, I mean to believe what the Republican commissioned report confirmed for the 3rd time now, which is that Joe Biden did nothing wrong.

I get why people on the right want to latch onto this, but how many times does it have to be investigated to show it's a nothing burger? First it was that a prosecutor was removed to help Hunter, then after that was thoroughly debunked it morphed into conjecture about $$ => Hunter == access and influence in the Obama administration. People are basically mad that Hunter got a bunch of money he "didn't earn," and want to extrapolate that to it affecting US policy and "selling access" neither of which is there any evidence of.

It's also incredibly ironic that we learn about the President of the United States taking millions of dollars from foreign sources; paying his children as "consultants"; enriching himself with taxpayer money at his businesses; etc. and I'm supposed to give a single shit about Hunter Biden when even the Republicans say Joe Biden is clean. Anyone who actually cares about conflicts of interest, foreign influence, ethics, etc. would not be supporting Trump.

 

[Irish#1]

I get why people on the right want to latch onto this, but how many times does it have to be investigated to show it's a nothing burger? First it was that a prosecutor was removed to help Hunter, then after that was thoroughly debunked it morphed into conjecture about $$ => Hunter == access and influence in the Obama administration. People are basically mad that Hunter got a bunch of money he "didn't earn," and want to extrapolate that to it affecting US policy and "selling access" neither of which is there any evidence of.

Probably the same amount of times there were cries of Trump and a Russian collusion. lol

 

[IrishLax]

I have a hard time believing anyone in the media would brush say...Tiffany Trump receiving $3.5 million from a Russian politician under the rug the way lib media has done so for Hunter Biden. We'd have stories from every outlet claiming it as a smoking gun of some variety.

It's beyond goofy how literally every story about Biden is portrayed in the best possible light while every Trump story is construed in the most negative possible light. Is there some media court where the GOP is constantly filing motions for summary judgment or something?

The $3.5 million payment has also been refuted. He didn't receive it, "his business" did. And then it turns out, it reportedly wasn't actually his business and the whole thing is a crock:

...the report "falsely alleges that Hunter Biden had a financial relationship with Russian businesswoman Yelena Baturina and that he received $3.5 million from Baturina." Mesires said Hunter Biden had no interest in and was “not a co-founder of” the company paid by Baturina, the wife of Moscow's late mayor.

 

[IrishLax]

Probably the same amount of times there were cries of Trump and a Russian collusion. lol

lmao part of me thinks that it's 100% the reason this has been rehashed so many times now... first, payback for literal years of the Russian collusion investigations. Second, because Trump got impeached about his phone call to Ukraine trying to get dirt on Biden.

 

[Irish YJ]

Trump gets third 2020 Nobel Peace Prize nomination
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-third-nobel-nomination-doctrine


Of course we know he won't win because he's evil and will cause the entire world to die.
Of course we must now abolish the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[Irish#1]

lmao part of me thinks that it's 100% the reason this has been rehashed so many times now... first, payback for literal years of the Russian collusion investigations. Second, because Trump got impeached about his phone call to Ukraine trying to get dirt on Biden.

There's no doubt this is exactly what's happening.