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According to snopes this claim about MFF and Kamala is mostly false. So what should I be upset about? She promoted a Fund started well before Floyd case and rioting?

I’m all for locking guilty violent offenders up. I’m also for them being able to avail themselves of the criminal justice system including release and bail options as determined by the judge(s). I’m also supportive of protestors that are non violent and all the freedoms they supposedly enjoy. If you engage in violence get wrecked son. To be clear I do not condone any violence in protesting. At all times.

If you engage in violence FAFO. Many of the Jan 6 people were allowed bail, time to travel and be with their family etc… so what? Pretty sure the judge allowed them to walk not Kamala. lol. 😂. Good lord. lol




In June of 2020, just after George Floyd's death, then-California Sen. Kamala Harris tweeted, "If you're able to, chip in now to the @MNFreedomFund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota."

Nearly two years later, on April 25, 2022, Tillman was arrested in St. Paul on a gross misdemeanor indecent exposure charge. Bail is set at $2,000 dollars and he is put in jail.

On May 3, 2022, the Minnesota Freedom Fund paid his $2,000 bail and he was released. On May 20, 2022, Tillman murdered a man at the light rail station in downtown St. Paul. He is now serving a life sentence for that crime.

The Minnesota Freedom Fund said, "It is not correct that then-Sen. Harris has donated to our organization. We have no relationship with Harris beyond a single four-year-old tweet."

😂 explain to me why a tweet in 2020 regarding the George Floyd protestors is at all applicable to the release of a 2022 murder availing themselves of the judicial system.
 
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According to snopes this claim about MFF and Kamala is mostly false. So what should I be upset about? She promoted a Fund started well before Floyd case and rioting?

I’m all for locking guilty violent offenders up. I’m also for them being able to avail themselves of the criminal justice system including release and bail options. I’m also supportive of protestors that are non violent and all the freedoms they supposedly enjoy. If you engage in violence get wrecked son.
FAFO. Many of the Jan 6 people were allowed bail, time to travel and be with their family etc… so what? Pretty sure the judge allowed them to walk not Kamala. lol. 😂. Good lord. lol



BUT SHE HAD SEX WITH WILLIE BROWN!!!!
 

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Imagine BLM breaking into the capitol. You guys would have been calling for lynchings by January 7th.
Funny, I don't recall us calling for lynching during the summer protests of love. Pretty sure we only called for incarceration for those that caused damage, and likewise we suggested the same for those that actively caused damage trying to break into the Capitol (Don't recall the others' views, but I felt jailing peaceful protestors that remained outside to be excessive and silly).

Ya'll have some twisted perspectives on the other side.
 

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Some people keep for getting that we have a constitution and congress. If elected, there's no way in hell Trump is going to claim he's the czar, dictator, final authority or whatever you want to call it and congress will roll over.
And some people forget how he ignored the emaluments clause and wasn’t held to account by Congress. Some people forget that he told a group of billionaires “give me a billion dollars and I’ll cut your taxes and get rid of regulations that hold you in check.” Others forget that he egged on a bunch of hillbillies and traitor rats to attack the Capitol and elements of the same Congress you said would hold him to the rules has run interference to shield him from accountability. The dumber ones ignore the words that come out of his own mouth, like his will be an administration of retaliation and retribution. And let’s not forget a Supreme Court that has reinterpreted the Constitution to hold the doors open for his authoritarian tendencies to evade all accountability for past and future transgressions.

You seemed “pretty sure” all along that Trump was being made to appear like Mussolini by libtards and we are now on the precipice of a felon runnng the country with unlimited authority. The lack of accountability for Trump and his fascist stooges has emboldened them, are this why our country is a cauldron of chaos today. He said there won’t be a need for another election after this one. I’m pretty sure even someone with your lackluster record of being “pretty sure” would be shitting your pants right now if Biden hinted at canceling the election and remaining in power.

Im tired of everyone saying he misspoke. He misspoke his way to a freaking insurrection last time. I don’t want to know what he’ll do if he’s elected again. But you should take a spin through the 900-page manifesto because it lays it out in its cruel and ignorant detail. It’s so politically unparalleled detrimental that he is trying to hide from it, pretending the document authored by dozens of his former administration officials is a mystery to him. Im pretty sure he’s lying. 🙄
 
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Funny, I don't recall us calling for lynching during the summer protests of love. Pretty sure we only called for incarceration for those that caused damage, and likewise we suggested the same for those that actively caused damage trying to break into the Capitol (Don't recall the others' views, but I felt jailing peaceful protestors that remained outside to be excessive and silly).

Ya'll have some twisted perspectives on the other side.
Twisted perspective lmaoooooo. Imagine ignoring all the violence leading to the break in only to die on the hill it was inside field trip with selfiesticks
 

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Nope. Where in the constitution does it grant presidential immunity and how to deal with it based on this SCOTUS ruling? What power does congress have now that virtually all evidence needed to impeach a president cannot be obtained because of immunity? How will Congress force a president to leave office? What happens when a President has loyalists installed in all key positions instead of civil servants and they decide not to enforce any laws or guardrails?

After immunity ruling it’s unclear what impeachment would even be able to do to hold them accountable for official acts. If congress requested info he could withhold it due to immunity. If they wanted him or underlings to testify? Nope. Immunity. Prosecute an impeachment in House? How. Immunity. Literally every act taken by a president can be considered official or presumed official which severely limits any and virtually all evidence and any attempt to hold the President accountable is now covered by immunity.

Now what happens when a president has loyalists commanding the armed forces and says nah man I’m not leaving….. ever. I’m not talking specifically about Trump here but in general any future president including the next Dem one.
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According to snopes this claim about MFF and Kamala is mostly false. So what should I be upset about? She promoted a Fund started well before Floyd case and rioting?

I’m all for locking guilty violent offenders up. I’m also for them being able to avail themselves of the criminal justice system including release and bail options as determined by the judge(s). I’m also supportive of protestors that are non violent and all the freedoms they supposedly enjoy. If you engage in violence get wrecked son. To be clear I condone any and all violence in protesting. At all times.

If you engage in violence FAFO. Many of the Jan 6 people were allowed bail, time to travel and be with their family etc… so what? Pretty sure the judge allowed them to walk not Kamala. lol. 😂. Good lord. lol




In June of 2020, just after George Floyd's death, then-California Sen. Kamala Harris tweeted, "If you're able to, chip in now to the @MNFreedomFund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota."

Nearly two years later, on April 25, 2022, Tillman was arrested in St. Paul on a gross misdemeanor indecent exposure charge. Bail is set at $2,000 dollars and he is put in jail.

On May 3, 2022, the Minnesota Freedom Fund paid his $2,000 bail and he was released. On May 20, 2022, Tillman murdered a man at the light rail station in downtown St. Paul. He is now serving a life sentence for that crime.

The Minnesota Freedom Fund said, "It is not correct that then-Sen. Harris has donated to our organization. We have no relationship with Harris beyond a single four-year-old tweet."

😂 explain to me why a tweet in 2020 regarding the George Floyd protestors is at all applicable to the release of a 2022 murder availing themselves of the judicial system.
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Would you classify BLM protests as violent riots?

I would say they were more destructive than they were violent. "Mostly peaceful" as they say. In comparison to January 6th there were actually 19 deaths attributed to violence, a few of which were cases like shop owners defending themselves or the Fex Ex driver that ran someone over while evading a mob, while others were killed by fellow protestors in the Seattle CHOP or innocents shot by looters in some situations. Given the numbers difference and circumstances, you can at least say the BLM protests were more violent in comparison.
 

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I would say they were more destructive than they were violent. "Mostly peaceful" as they say. In comparison to January 6th there were actually 19 deaths attributed to violence, a few of which were cases like shop owners defending themselves or the Fex Ex driver that ran someone over while evading a mob, while others were killed by fellow protestors in the Seattle CHOP or shot by looters in other situations. Given the numbers difference and circumstances, you can at least say the BLM protests were more violent in comparison.
Just asking this to clarify your definitions, not trying to "trap" or any "gotcha" since I think it's important that we understand what the other means.

On the whole - you would consider them destructive? ie. "BLM protests were destructive"

And J6 would be considered in your opinion?
 

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The president doesn't have blanket immunity. Everything they do isn't a core constitutional act.

U.S. presidents enjoy full immunity from criminal charges for their official “core constitutional” acts, but no immunity for unofficial acts
 

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Some people keep for getting that we have a constitution and congress. If elected, there's no way in hell Trump is going to claim he's the czar, dictator, final authority or whatever you want to call it and congress will roll over.
Congress did such a good job of holding him accountable before..the clown from South Carolina, the speaker from Kentucky and a lot of others were like oh this is unacceptable, blah blah blah, a bridge to far, I am done, he is responsible. But then they claimed it was the wrong venue, they didn’t have the power, it was for the courts to decide. Then it went to court and they were like this is such BS the courts are soo unfair persecuting this guy. Thank God he is shielding us from all this unfairness, oh yeah,”but the MSM…wokeness…Soros…and never forget the Clinton crime family oh wait I meant Biden crime family and Soros.
 

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The president doesn't have blanket immunity. Everything they do isn't a core constitutional act.
Now go further and look at the three buckets that presidential acts are put in and how to decide if those are official acts and what evidence is allowed to determine what is an official act and what isn’t. Go the next step. There is more after that.

Then tell me how if a president sells pardons, takes top secret info and gives it to someone else for money or any other number of things he considers an official act and tell me exactly how Congress could pursue impeachment let alone acquire the required evidence to take such a step if the president refuses to cooperate and turnover evidence and claims official act immunity.
 
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Just asking this to clarify your definitions, not trying to "trap" or any "gotcha" since I think it's important that we understand what the other means.

On the whole - you would consider them destructive? ie. "BLM protests were destructive"

And J6 would be considered in your opinion?

The BLM protests were certainly destructive. From just May 26th-June 8th of that year there was almost 2 billion dollars in property damage. The protestors were certainly more destructive than they were violent, but there were some that were violent to a point they were deadly.

In contrast the Jan 6ers did an estimated 1.5 million dollars in property damage to the Capitol, so they were also destructive. While some of those protestors were also violent, none of them used deadly force during the protest.
 

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The BLM protests were certainly destructive. From just May 26th-June 8th of that year there was almost 2 billion dollars in property damage. The protestors were certainly more destructive than they were violent, but there were some that were violent to a point they were deadly.

In contrast the Jan 6ers did an estimated 1.5 million dollars in property damage to the Capitol, so they were also destructive. While some of those protestors were also violent, none of them used deadly force during the protest.
Got ya.

I'm curious where you got the $1.5M, because the GAO released a report that estimated costs to be $2.7B https://www.gao.gov/assets/d23106625.pdf
 

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The Jan. 6th event at the Capitol was not near as bad as Democrats let on. It was also definitely worse than what Republicans let on.

If you ask me to choose what was the greater threat to democracy :

1. Rioting on Capitol Hill
2. Trump asking Pence to reject votes to overturn the election.

It's not even remotely close. It's number two by a landslide. I have no clue why Dem's continue to beat the drum over #1, when in reality they should be focusing on #2.
 

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The Jan. 6th event at the Capitol was not near as bad as Democrats let on. It was also definitely worse than what Republicans let on.

If you ask me to choose what was the greater threat to democracy :

1. Rioting on Capitol Hill
2. Trump asking Pence to reject votes to overturn the election.

It's not even remotely close. It's number two by a landslide. I have no clue why Dem's continue to beat the drum over #1, when in reality they should be focusing on #2.
If they’re smart the Democrats will have that Pence video going around the clock in suburban markets.
 
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