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1 Marvin Austin (Coolidge HS) Washington, DC
2 Noel Devine (North Fort Myers HS) N Ft Myers, FL
3 Jimmy Clausen (Oaks Christian HS) Westlake Village, CA
4 Anthony Davis (Piscataway Township HS) Piscataway, NJ
5 Arrelious Benn (Dunbar HS) Washington, DC
6 Marc Tyler (Oaks Christian HS) Westlake Village, CA
7 Everson Griffen (Agua Fria Union HS) Avondale, AZ
8 Torrey Davis (Armwood HS) Seffner, FL
9 Tray Allen (So Grand Prairie HS) Grand Prairie, TX
10 Caleb King (Parkview HS) Lilburn, GA
11 Chris Galippo (Servite) Anaheim, CA
12 John Clay (Park HS) Racine, WI
13 D'Angelo McCray (Andrew Jackson HS) Jacksonville, FL
14 Josh Oglesby (Saint Francis HS) Saint Francis, WI
15 Austin Box (Enid HS) Enid, OK
16 Aaron Hernandez (Bristol Central HS) Bristol, CT
17 Ryan Mallett (Texas HS) Texarkana, TX
18 Martez Wilson (Simeon Vocational HS) Chicago, IL
19 Allen Bailey (McIntosh County Academy) Darien, GA
20 Pat Bostick (Manheim Twp HS) Lancaster, PA
21 Eric Berry (Creekside HS) Fairburn, GA
22 Terrance Toliver (Hempstead HS) Hempstead, TX
23 Ryan Miller (Columbine HS) Littleton, CO
24 John Brown (Lakeland Senior HS) Lakeland, FL
25 Willy Korn (James F Byrnes HS) Duncan, SC
26 Richetti Jones (Lincoln HS) Dallas, TX
27 Broderick Green (Pulaski Academy) Little Rock, AR
28 Ronald Johnson (Muskegon HS) Muskegon, MI
29 John Brantley (Trinity Catholic) Ocala, FL
30 Joe McKnight (John Curtis Christian) River Ridge, LA
31 Aaron Corp (Lutheran HS - Orange County) Orange, CA
32 Martin Coleman (Edison HS) Huntington Beach, CA
33 Tyrod Taylor (Hampton HS) Hampton, VA
34 Luther Davis (West Monroe HS) West Monroe, LA
35 Lee Ziemba (Rogers HS) Rogers, AR
36 Ahmad Paige (Sterlington HS) Sterlington, LA
37 Kerry Murphy (Hoover HS) Hoover, AL
38 Stefoin Francois (East Saint John HS) Reserve, LA
39 Curtis Brown (Gilmer HS) Gilmer, TX
40 Andre Jones (Andress HS) El Paso, TX
41 Kristofer O'Dowd (Salpointe Catholic HS) Tucson, AZ
42 Lansford Watson (Abraham Lincoln HS) Brooklyn, NY
43 Brian Price (Crenshaw Senior HS) Los Angeles, CA
44 Rob Gronkowski (Williamsville North HS) Williamsville, NY
45 Jerimy Finch (Warren Central HS) Indianapolis, IN
46 Mark Barnes (Richland Northeast HS) Columbia, SC
47 Chris Izbicki (Lake Washington HS) Kirkland, WA
48 J'Courtney Williams (Christchurch School) Christchurch, VA
49 Ron Brooks (MacArthur HS) Irving, TX
50 Donovan Warren (Polytechnic HS) Long Beach, CA
51 John Chiles (Mansfield Summit HS) Arlington, TX
52 John Elliott (East Meadow HS) East Meadow, NY
53 Lorenzo Edwards (Edgewater HS) Orlando, FL
54 Justin Trattou (Don Bosco Prep School) Ramsey, NJ
55 Robert Elliott (Okolona HS) Okolona, MS
56 Michael Williams (St. Bonaventure HS) Ventura, CA
57 Simi Fili (Cottonwood HS) Salt Lake City, UT
58 Tyler Nielsen (Humboldt HS) Humboldt, IA
59 Malcolm Williams (Garland HS) Garland, TX
60 Marshall Jones (Oaks Christian HS) Westlake Village, CA
61 Josh Nesbitt (Greene County HS) Greensboro, GA
62 Gary Gray (Richland Northeast HS) Columbia, SC
63 Deonte Thompson (Glades Central HS) Belle Glade, FL
64 Myles Wade (Benson Polytechnic HS) Portland, OR
65 Chris Little (Twiggs County HS) Jeffersonville, GA
66 Mike Ragone (Camden Catholic) Cherry Hill, NJ
67 Chris Strong (South Panola HS) Batesville, MS
68 Lennon Creer (Tatum HS) Tatum, TX
69 Cedric Everson (Mumford HS) Detroit, MI
70 Russell Carter (Westbury HS) Houston, TX
71 C.J. Peake (Trotwood-Madison HS) Trotwood, OH
72 Markques Simas (Mira Mesa Senior HS) San Diego, CA
73 Billy Chavis (Westbrook School) Westbrook, TX
74 Nick Sukay (Greensburg Central Catholic HS) Greensburg, PA
75 Kodi Burns (Northside HS) Fort Smith, AR
76 Ben Martin (La Salle HS ) Cincinnati, OH
77 Morgan Burnett (North Clayton HS) College Park, GA
78 Stefen Wisniewski (Central Catholic HS) Pittsburgh, PA
79 Derrick Stephens (Cypress Falls HS) Houston, TX
80 Chris Jacobson (Keystone Oaks HS) Pittsburgh, PA
81 Ben Wells (Ozen HS) Beaumont, TX
82 Armando Allen (Hialeah-Miami Lakes HS) Hialeah, FL
83 James Wilson (Nease HS) St Augustine, FL
84 Mike Paulus (Christian Brothers Academy) Syracuse, NY
85 Toney Clemons (Valley SHS) New Kensington, PA
86 Chris Rainey (Lakeland Senior HS) Lakeland, FL
87 Manny Abreu (Union Hill HS) Union City, NJ
88 Antwain Easterling (Miami Northwestern HS) Miami, FL
89 Christian Scott (Skyline HS) Dallas, TX
90 Kenny Rowe (Polytechnic HS) Long Beach, CA
91 Dave Molk (Lemont Twp HS) Lemont, IL
92 Brandon Saine (Piqua HS) Piqua, OH
93 Greg Little (Hillside HS) Durham, NC
94 Harland Gunn (Central HS) Omaha, NE
95 J.R. Hemingway (Conway HS) Conway, SC
96 Josh Bynes (Boyd H. Anderson HS) Lauderdale Lakes, FL
97 Carson York (Lake City HS) Coeur D Alene, ID
98 Major Wright (St. Thomas Aquinas HS) Fort Lauderdale, FL
99 Duval Kamara (Hoboken HS) Hoboken, NJ
100 Dale Martin (Bolingbrook HS) Bolingbrook, IL

Source: Scout June Hot 100
 

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These rankings are questionable, at best. No Barksdale, and some players simply do not belong on this list.
 

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VERY interesting.

Look how high that USC QB Corp is. Higher than Paulus.

No one knew who he was until he verballed....after SC got denied by all of their top targets.
 

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jiggafini19 said:
VERY interesting.

Look how high that USC QB Corp is. Higher than Paulus.

No one knew who he was until he verballed....after SC got denied by all of their top targets.

That is very interesting. Maybe they're better than anyone thought, but then why weren't they USC's first choice? This list seems weird.
 

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It's probably the opposite of the ND effect. As soon as a recruit commits here they all drop in rank/stars whereas a USC recruit always sky rockets. Do they take having the university buy you and your family a new house/condo into account?
 

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There is a lot of questionable stuff but Ragone rated the 4th tight end and that far down the list is a joke. His numbers are better than everyone elses.
 
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OK I know the old "I trust Charlie he knows the players better than anyone" line is coming, but how good are the recruits we have now. Have we talked them up to be more than they really are, or are these guys just not rating them high because they are going to ND. I don't doubt that this is the case, but the low rating don't sit to well with me personally. I personally think all of the recruits we have so far are going to be great players, but why is it so hard for anyone to give ND players credit, even before they come to campus.

Worried or No??
 

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No worries everyting will turn out fine and this will be upon competion a very special class. The rankings will change throughout the year and some players will move up or down, and some will fall completely out or break in. In reality we know that these stars and rankings really mean nothing, except that they are fun to look at. I mean who is to say that a kid ranked 86th is that much better than a kid ranked 110. So step back and say "gooze-frahbah" and everything will be OK.
 

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A couple randow things:

This list has Rainey as a WR - which I thought was weird.
Greg Little is ranked the number 8 LB. I thought he would have been listed as a WR or a TE. Pretty sure we're recruiting him for Offense.
Ragone is the #4 TE. Thought he would be higher.
Lorenzo Edwards (considered an ND lean) is the #3 LB.
No Barksdale whatsoever.
Brent and Wade, two DTs who wanted ND offers but didn't get one are both 4* guys - could be promising news about where we stand at DT.
We're not listed as one of Gerald Jones' schools. That's dissapointing.
Caleb King and to a lesser extent Robert Hughes getting lots of love from both recruiting services.
 

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No Kerry Neal on the list???? Didn't he rate higher at a recent combine than most of the DE on this list? I'm very confused.
 
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Both lists are to some degree meaningless and arbitrary, but Scout's is moreso. They put Clausen third simply because he's already committed, and there has to be drama as time goes on as to where their top recruit is going. That's transparent and cheap. Similar motivations dropped Kamara to where he is, and probably cost some other Irish commits spots on the list.
 

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I don't read one bit into these recruiting rankings each year...to me they mean nothing. Let the coaches evaulate the talent and go out and get who they think best fits their system.
 
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In other words, beyond the top 3, nobody knows what they're talking about - except that the player is good. How good? They aren't sure.
 

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There really is no rhyme or reason to any of it. There is never an explanation of how they arrive at these rankings.

I can see ranking each guy by position, but what determines these Top 100 lists?

I think we're just supposed to take their word for it.
 
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And their word is worth nothing, so, no. I'll take the word of Weis and his staff, and Carroll and his staff, and so on - watch who they go after, and there are your best players. If these scout and rivals people were the best at what they did, they wouldn't be working for scout and rivals.
 

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I really look at how they rank the positions. That has more value to me than these overall lists.

What makes Jimmy Clausen rated higher than Marvin Austin. Or Ryan Miller?

Their position breakdowns are what catch my eye more than anything.

Stunned that both services have Aaron Corp in their Top 100. Remarkable.
 
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Well, in fairness to the recruiting services, this is what people want, and it's what these kids are going to go through when the Heisman hype starts up. Why is Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson better than a monster defensive player? They're not, really. It's impossible to judge except, as you said, position by position, and even then, both in high school and college, it has a lot to do with the system, so that it's tough to get a great read. Is Clausen so good because he has Tyler? Or is Tyler so good because he has Clausen? It's hard to know right now.
 
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jiggafini19 said:
I really look at how they rank the positions. That has more value to me than these overall lists.

What makes Jimmy Clausen rated higher than Marvin Austin. Or Ryan Miller?

Their position breakdowns are what catch my eye more than anything.

Stunned that both services have Aaron Corp in their Top 100. Remarkable.

That's a very good point and one that a friend of mine made a few hours ago, as well.

And another difficult thing about ranking prospects is the reality that some positions have a greater impact on the game, namely quarterback. Think about it. If hypothetically, Jimmy Clausen were to become the best QB ever and Marvin Austin the best DT ever, who would be more valuable to a team? Clausen of course. And if the best kicker in football history were to be in this class, he wouldn't be placed in the Rivals 100.

When talent alone is considered, Clausen wins hands down. I think ND fans and observers are cringing too much at the past with Ron Paulus. The fact of the matter is that Clausen is incredibly skilled and he has a football IQ to match it, which probably originates from great coaching and him having two brothers that played quarterback in college. In that sense he's probably going to be the most experienced rookie quarterback in college football history.

And to be honest, I don't think Marc Tyler's talent creates some kind of illusion around Clausen's; Tyler is 'better' because of Clausen, without a doubt. Even if he commits to ND, I still think Tyler is one hell of an overrated running back. He's a LenDale White type guy and I think everyone here knows how overrated he was---the NFL scouts certainly found out for themselves.. and think about it, during the ND games, were you really intimidated when he was taking carries? I know I wasn't.
 
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Although I can't agree with the recruiting services (like the Rival's claim) that they're evaluations are akin to a science, there has to be something to them. After all, look at the top football programs, and they usually are pretty highly ranked in the recruiting evaluations. Coincidence? With that said, I do agree with Jiggafini19 that the greatest importance of these ratings are in the specific positional ratings. Exact science, hardly, but a crap shoot--it doesn't seem to be.
 

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Óglaigh_na_hÉireann said:
And to be honest, I don't think Marc Tyler's talent creates some kind of illusion around Clausen's; Tyler is 'better' because of Clausen, without a doubt. Even if he commits to ND, I still think Tyler is one hell of an overrated running back. He's a LenDale White type guy and I think everyone here knows how overrated he was---the NFL scouts certainly found out for themselves.. and think about it, during the ND games, were you really intimidated when he was taking carries? I know I wasn't.

I gotta disagree with you on White. He was an incredible college football running back. Goal line was practically an automatic for him. He had a ton of td's in his career. So, I'd gladly take Tyler if he were anthing like White.
 

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I gotta disagree with you on White. He was an incredible college football running back. Goal line was practically an automatic for him. He had a ton of td's in his career. So, I'd gladly take Tyler if he were anthing like White.

Could it have been an incredible front line? Sometimes that makes all the difference.

Let's face it, when they put Bush and White under the NFL spotlight, Bush came away like a stud and White dropped considerably.
 
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Goal line was practically an automatic for him. He had a ton of td's in his career.

Thats cause Bush would do all the work down the feild and then they would just give it to fatty white to score. If I was Bush I would have been pissed.
 
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That's nonsense, frankly. Look at White's numbers. That's all you need to know.

And his NFL stock dropped because of perceived laziness. It was a character issue, not a talent one. The kid is good.
 
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Also, the Barksdale bit is why these lists, at least at this point, are mostly nonsense. As I said, beyond a very few top guys, it's a crapshoot. Barksdale is 17 on one site, not top 100 on the other. Trattou is 54 on one, not on the other. Kamara makes it at 37 on one, 99 on the other. It's hard for anyone looking at those differences to take either one seriously.
 

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That's nonsense, frankly. Look at White's numbers. That's all you need to know.

And his NFL stock dropped because of perceived laziness. It was a character issue, not a talent one. The kid is good.

Numbers are not everything...especially on a team like USC for the last 3 years. The team had so much overall talent (and coaching on offense) that people like White look better than they were. (he is very good, but I would not rate him as great.

USC team was putting up huge numbers all the time...at multiple positions. BUT when something needed to happen, Bush was the go-to guy...not White. That tells me a lot.
 
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