Presidential Election 2024

[ColoradoIrish]

Add JD Vance to the collage of those weirdos

 

[Blazers46]

I agree on some of that. The reason I am so against the Republican party is their rhetoric towards the LGBTQ community. I have friends and family that are transgender and what the Republicans have been doing by with abortion rights and against transgender healthcare directly affects people I love and care for and in good conscience can't vote for people that have actively tried to remove those rights. I know not everyone agrees with my stances on that and that's fine. But I can't vote for people that are trying to eradicate and vilify trans people. I'd be willing to have a conversation in more depth about it outside of this thread to not clog it up and derail it. I'm a huge proponent of deregulation, I'm probably further to the right than almost anyone when it comes to gun rights, but this year I'm a single issue voter and that issue is transgender healthcare.

Empires fall when they become fixated on gender and sexuality. You are not alone in this being your single voter issue. Just shows this Empire/country is fucked and one of the most ignorant voting bases ever to live on the planet.

 

[Bluto]

Biden has been telling lies his entire career. Doesn’t seem to bother you as much as Donnie.

I didn’t vote for Biden. He’s a run of the mill politician in that sense. Trump is a Bob Menendez level piece of shit. Pretty big difference.

 

[Bluto]

Empires fall when they become fixated on gender and sexuality. You are not alone in this being your single voter issue. Just shows this Empire/country is fucked and one of the most ignorant voting bases ever to live on the planet.

That is false.

Empires fall when they outstrip their resources and overreach.

There have been plenty of empires that didn’t give much of a shit about gender, sexuality and religious affiliation that had really good runs.

 

[Bluto]

On the left right spectrum, Trump is considerably more moderate economically and socially than Republicans have been post Reagan. Maybe immigration is his only more conservative position

Uh yeah. What about the judges he appointed?

 

[Bluto]

I guess we are going to re-write this history much like Kamala’s and Walz’s record.

If you say so.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

That is false.

Empires fall when they outstrip their resources and overreach.

There have been plenty of empires that didn’t give a much of a shit about gender, sexuality and religious affiliation that had really good runs.

I think that was blazers point, empires focusing on those 3 things would fall in the overreach category

 

[Bluto]

That’s hilarious considering all of the AI generated photos floating around the right wing social media ecosystem showing Trump interacting with African Americans.

 

[Bluto]

I think that was blazers point, empires focusing on those 3 things would fall in the overreach category

I see. I read it as Empires fall when they become too socially permissive, which is not necessarily accurate.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I see. I read it as Empires fall when they become too socially permissive, which is not necessarily accurate.

I read it the opposite that when they focus on those things it fails

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I read it the opposite that when they focus on those things it fails

Bluto read it right. Blazer does not share your opinions regarding trans people and is claiming that people who do share your views are the downfall of society.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Uh yeah. What about the judges he appointed?

How are they fundamentally different than the originalist judges that Republicans have been appointing for decades? Unlike living constitutionalist judges, originalists sort of by definition are pretty steady state in their interpretation of the constitution.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Bluto read it right. Blazer does not share your opinions regarding trans people and is claiming that people who do share your views are the downfall of society.

Then I stand corrected, I read it as the Republicans who are obsessed with others genders are the downfall of society

 

[NDVirginia19]

To my knowledge, neither the AI rally images of Harris or the AI images of Trump are actually promoted by the campaigns

 

[ulukinatme]

He's not wrong, actually. I think we discussed it on the last page or two, but there's images circulating of at least one Kamala rally where the numbers were inflated with AI.

 

[IrishLax]

He's not wrong, actually. I think we discussed it on the last page or two, but there's images circulating of at least one Kamala rally where the numbers were inflated with AI.

I didn’t think people bought that, I thought it was a meme.

Harris campaign fires back at Trump after he accuses her of faking ‘massive’ crowd sizes

Vice President Harris’s campaign fired back at former President Trump after he accused her, without evidence, of using artificial intelligence to create false depictions of “massive” crowds at her …

thehill.com

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Trump spreads false conspiracy theory about Harris’ Detroit crowd size | CNN Politics

Donald Trump falsely claimed in a series of social media posts Sunday that “nobody” attended Vice President Kamala Harris’ Michigan rally last week — and said his Democratic rival should be “disqualified” over a “fake crowd picture.”

amp.cnn.com

 

[ulukinatme]

He hasn't been a billionaire for quite a long time, certainly not wealthy enough from running profitable businesses. It's been well documented that his personal wealth is heavily fabricated.

In contrast, he's had just over 9 years through GOP fundraising of several billion dollars flowing toward him.

Where do you show he's raised several billion during that time? I'm looking at receipts and payouts and that doesn't jive. It was reported by Financial Times earlier this summer that Trump raised $400 million 2nd quarter after his mugshot went public, and that total almost matched his entire amount raised during the 2016 election. You're looking at closer to maybe a few billion tops:

https://www.ft.com/content/df6c5eed-076e-4cd8-8ab5-9c159631a91d

Regardless, where does the money go that is raised for an election? Does the candidate become that much richer, or does most of it get paid out for advertising, paying campaign advisors and staff, events, etc? If you checkout the receipts and payouts the coffers are mostly drained by the end of the election typically, with just a little left for future re-election attempts.

Again, he's not getting rich off politics. See the net worth graph I posted earlier. Your premise has no facts to back it up. His wealth came from business deals (and failures). Always has.

 

[ulukinatme]

I didn’t think people bought that, I thought it was a meme.

Harris campaign fires back at Trump after he accuses her of faking ‘massive’ crowd sizes

Vice President Harris’s campaign fired back at former President Trump after he accused her, without evidence, of using artificial intelligence to create false depictions of “massive” crowds at her …

thehill.com

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www.washingtonpost.com

Trump spreads false conspiracy theory about Harris’ Detroit crowd size | CNN Politics

Donald Trump falsely claimed in a series of social media posts Sunday that “nobody” attended Vice President Kamala Harris’ Michigan rally last week — and said his Democratic rival should be “disqualified” over a “fake crowd picture.”

amp.cnn.com

I don't know if the Harris campaign tried to pass it off as real, but a lot of other people did including the Democrats Reddit page. The pic Trump posted was, in fact, AI. If you run it through a scan it verifies, and you can tell from the cameras being held up in the photo:

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www.irishenvy.com

 

[NDVirginia19]

 

[ulukinatme]

Was that the same event where kids in rainbow clothes carried a banner with Walz's name?

 

[Rocket89]

You're looking at closer to maybe a few billion tops:

Right, and that's a lot of money for an extremely cash-poor businessman.

Regardless, where does the money go that is raised for an election?

Well, a lot of that money is going to Trump himself. He's not using this vast personal fortune on his legal bills, right?

Again, he's not getting rich off politics.

I never said he was 'getting rich' off politics. Only that his previous financial background was inflated and he's now in a business where straight cash homey comes to him in tens of millions of dollars at the drop of a hat. It's a huge inventive to stay in politics.

 

[Bluto]

How are they fundamentally different than the originalist judges that Republicans have been appointing for decades? Unlike living constitutionalist judges, originalists sort of by definition are pretty steady state in their interpretation of the constitution.

Uh no.

This court had been the most active in terms of legislating from the bench that I have ever seen. I mean even originalist scholars and Justice Barrett were critical of the presidential immunity rulings.

Thomas and Alito have offered up some down right crazy opinions based on highly misinformed readings of history.

It’s pretty clear they are just making shit up in some cases to better serve their own political leanings.

Alito was even caught on tape saying as much.

 

[ulukinatme]

Right, and that's a lot of money for an extremely cash-poor businessman.

Well, a lot of that money is going to Trump himself. He's not using this vast personal fortune on his legal bills, right?

I never said he was 'getting rich' off politics. Only that his previous financial background was inflated and he's now in a business where straight cash homey comes to him in tens of millions of dollars at the drop of a hat. It's a huge inventive to stay in politics.

Yes, he brings in a lot of money through campaigning. None of it can be used for personal use.

But again...campaigns have to track what's coming in and out. There's records of how the money is spent, you can see them online. Look at where the money is going. Is Trump using that money to buy golf resorts, casinos, and other properties? Is he using it to line his pocket? Or....is it going right back into campaign expenses? With the exception of legal fees, some of which are tied to politics, campaign funds can't be used for personal use under any circumstances:

What Happens to Campaign Contributions After Elections?

Learn how campaign contributions can be used when an election is over.

www.investopedia.com

 

[drayer54]

Uh no.

This court had been the most active in terms of legislating from the bench that I have ever seen. I mean even originalist scholars and Justice Barrett were critical of the presidential immunity rulings.

Thomas and Alito have offered up some down right crazy opinions based on highly misinformed readings of history.

It’s pretty clear they are just making shit up in some cases to better serve their own political leanings.

Alito was even caught on tape saying as much.

If you're going to make tin foil hat claims, at least provide examples.

The 3 bucket approach for immunity when not zoomed in on Trump is not some created concept.

 

[Redbar]

How are they fundamentally different than the originalist judges that Republicans have been appointing for decades? Unlike living constitutionalist judges, originalists sort of by definition are pretty steady state in their interpretation of the constitution.

But Trumps “originalist” are engaging in the most batshit crazy judicial activism I’ve seen in my lifetime. Absolutely no reason to support many of their recent rulings. I’ve said it before calling yourself an originalist or a conservative or a liberal for that matter doesn’t make it so. I can call myself whatever I want, but when it’s time to decide, if I just make it up how I want it to be, then what I am is a liar and either a narcissistic prick that thinks I know better than everyone else or a paid advocate for a wealthy agenda. That’s what we have.

 

[drayer54]

But Trumps “originalist” are engaging in the most batshit crazy judicial activism I’ve seen in my lifetime. Absolutely no reason to support many of their recent rulings. I’ve said it before calling yourself an originalist or a conservative or a liberal for that matter doesn’t make it so. I can call myself whatever I want, but when it’s time to decide, if I just make it up how I want it to be, then what I am is a liar and either a narcissistic prick that thinks I know better than everyone else or a paid advocate for a wealthy agenda. That’s what we have.

We’ve created this space where people who want to pack the court are traditional and those applying law are activists. Words clearly don’t have meaning anymore.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Uh no.

This court had been the most active in terms of legislating from the bench that I have ever seen. I mean even originalist scholars and Justice Barrett were critical of the presidential immunity rulings.

Thomas and Alito have offered up some down right crazy opinions based on highly misinformed readings of history.

It’s pretty clear they are just making shit up in some cases to better serve their own political leanings.

Alito was even caught on tape saying as much.

Tell me you haven’t read Trump v. United States without telling me you haven’t read Trump v. United States lmao.

 

[NDVirginia19]

But Trumps “originalist” are engaging in the most batshit crazy judicial activism I’ve seen in my lifetime. Absolutely no reason to support many of their recent rulings. I’ve said it before calling yourself an originalist or a conservative or a liberal for that matter doesn’t make it so. I can call myself whatever I want, but when it’s time to decide, if I just make it up how I want it to be, then what I am is a liar and either a narcissistic prick that thinks I know better than everyone else or a paid advocate for a wealthy agenda. That’s what we have.

What judicial activism? Can you name an example other than Trump v. United States? You could talk about Dobbs, but literally every single originalist since 70s has been talking what a fucking train wreck Roe v. Wade was. Chevron is also another example of a target that originalists have been after for decades, and just now after a generation of living constitutionalist control of the court were the originalists able to overturn it.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I agree on some of that. The reason I am so against the Republican party is their rhetoric towards the LGBTQ community. I have friends and family that are transgender and what the Republicans have been doing by with abortion rights and against transgender healthcare directly affects people I love and care for and in good conscience can't vote for people that have actively tried to remove those rights. I know not everyone agrees with my stances on that and that's fine. But I can't vote for people that are trying to eradicate and vilify trans people. I'd be willing to have a conversation in more depth about it outside of this thread to not clog it up and derail it. I'm a huge proponent of deregulation, I'm probably further to the right than almost anyone when it comes to gun rights, but this year I'm a single issue voter and that issue is transgender healthcare.

LGBTQ reps in my family as well, but I don't support a lot of the left wing progressive stances on it. I'm genuinely curious what "rhetoric" you're against coming from Repubs? Because if we're in the same boat as far as family being LGBTQ, then why are we seeing this issue from completely different lenses?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

LGBTQ reps in my family as well, but I don't support a lot of the left wing progressive stances on it. I'm genuinely curious what "rhetoric" you're against coming from Repubs? Because if we're in the same boat as far as family being LGBTQ, then why are we seeing this issue from completely different lenses?

Anything towards transgender people and their healthcare primarily. There's other stuff as well, there's a genuine fear after what the supreme Court did to roll back abortion protections that they could see the same thing happen with gay marriage.

Also a bunch of stuff in project 2025. And before anyone chimes in says that's not part of Trump's plan, there's too many people closely associated with him and his admin both past and future to not take it seriously. There used to be a saying about those your surround yourself with and associate with being how your judged, and for some reason we either forgot it or don't want to hold Trump to that standard, which is mind boggling.