Presidential Election 2024

[TorontoGold]

Nobody is sure what all is in that picture, but the point is the party of those people are calling GOPers weird. It's a bit the pot calling the kettle black.


You're right, Harris isn't Clinton. Clinton was actually pretty decent speaking off the cuff in debates. It's not one of Kamala's strong suits. I just find it amusing that people that thought "Dark Brandon" was going to wipe the floor with Trump in the debate. and now those same people think Kamala will do the same. She's never shown herself to be strong in that arena, but maybe she'll get prepped over this month and come out strong.

Selling Bibles and coins? He came out of the Presidency essentially broke until he made some deals on the side. The litigations, lawsuits, and lawyers have done a number on his bottom line, which is part of the plan to stymie his re-election. If it was about making money he would do far better getting out of politics and sticking to business where the legal attacks would be fewer and far between.

He filed for bankruptcy 6 times before running for office. 6. He’s had his longest stretch of not being broke now.

 

[ulukinatme]

Biden’s kid died likely due to his military service in Iraq.

If the kitchen fire killed a loved one then yeah it would be similar to losing a loved one to the Maui fires.

Too bad dumb ass Trump didn’t follow through on his big talk about getting out of Afghanistan and instead kicked the can down the road just far enough so he’d have plausible deniability related to the withdrawal.

He then insisted on running his mouth about and thus politicizing the loss of life related to the withdrawal after he lost the election and was out of office. The guy’s an asshole.

Whatever the cause of Beau's disease, again, Joe got to spend a lot of time with him before he passed. Those soldier that died during the withdrawal didn't get any goodbyes with loved ones. That's the point.

Nobody died in Biden's kitchen fire, no one was even injured. There was minimal damage, it was out 20 minutes after it started. To compare it to the Maui wildfires where 97 people died and $5.5 billion in damages? Ridiculous on Joe's part, the two weren't close.

Biden knew he had several months to exit Afghanistan. He even extended the final date through August, but he still dropped the ball. Trump would have been the one to do the exit, but Biden wanted the job so it's on him. Trump started the process and they went from 13,000 troops when he signed the order down to 2,500 when Biden entered office. It's not like Biden had 4 weeks to get it done, he had 8 months! In 8 months Trump got 10,000 troops out, but Biden apparently couldn't get 2,500 out and even extended the exit window. Yeah, Trump's the asshole that botched the exit.

 

[ulukinatme]

He filed for bankruptcy 6 times before running for office. 6. He’s had his longest stretch of not being broke now.

Yeah, until that recent deal for his media platform, which was a business deal, his net worth has been lowest during the years he's been actively in office. Notice the dip in 2016, and it only started climbing again after getting out of office. Point is, he's not making big money while being President, he's making his wealth outside of office and the lawsuits certainly aren't helping. He gets out of politics then the lawsuits start drying up and it's not hurting the bottom line. This theory that he's getting wealthy through politics doesn't hold water.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Yeah, until that recent deal for his media platform, which was a business deal, his net worth has been lowest during the years he's been in politics. Notice the dip in 2016, and it only started climbing again after getting out of office. Point is, he's not making big money while being President, he's making his wealth outside of office and the lawsuits certainly aren't helping. He gets out of politics then the lawsuits start drying up and it's not hurting the bottom line. This theory that he's getting wealthy through politics doesn't hold water.

Except his media company isn't actually valuable and the financial records prove that. It's imaginary money that he can't cash in on. It's why they're getting ready to swindle more out of money by making up a cryptocurrency. It's all smoke and mirrors with the man and always has been. If he was smart he never would've gotten into politics and still be able to get away with his shady business practices.

 

[ulukinatme]

Except his media company isn't actually valuable and the financial records prove that. It's imaginary money that he can't cash in on. It's why they're getting ready to swindle more out of money by making up a cryptocurrency. It's all smoke and mirrors with the man and always has been. If he was smart he never would've gotten into politics and still be able to get away with his shady business practices.

Sure, point is he's clearly not making money by being in office, and as long as he's running for office he'll be the focus of liberals as they push lawsuits that he otherwise probably wouldn't have been hit with in the 80s-2016. The whole premise was that Rocket said politics is Trump's biggest money maker. Clearly it's not, as his value has basically gone down since he got into politics, and his value has only gone up as a result of business outside of politics.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Sure, point is he's clearly not making money by being in office, and as long as he's running for office he'll be the focus of liberals as they push lawsuits that he otherwise probably wouldn't have been hit with in the 80s-2016. The whole premise was that Rocket said politics is Trump's biggest money maker. Clearly it's not, as his value has basically gone down since he got into politics, and his value has only gone up as a result of business outside of politics.

We have no idea what his value was before because he won't release his tax records. I think the point rocket is making and it's at least what I'm making is that, politics keeps him in the public eye and because of that his able to have different revenue streams. He's objectively been a pretty bad business man based upon his companies bankruptcies before entering into the political realm. It's been speculated by people outside of this board with more intimate knowledge of his finances that he only originally ran because his finances had been so shitty. Politics has been a double edged sword because his under more scrutiny but it's also allowed him to make money he otherwise wouldn't have been able to make. He's continuing to run because of the court cases. You can blame the liberal media for that but the truth of the matter he faced similar accusations before he was a candidate in 2016. People rightfully expect more out of their president and finally felt empowered to come forward. But to act like he's only being targeted now is asinine.

 

[Rocket89]

Sure, point is he's clearly not making money by being in office, and as long as he's running for office he'll be the focus of liberals as they push lawsuits that he otherwise probably wouldn't have been hit with in the 80s-2016. The whole premise was that Rocket said politics is Trump's biggest money maker. Clearly it's not, as his value has basically gone down since he got into politics, and his value has only gone up as a result of business outside of politics.

He hasn't been a billionaire for quite a long time, certainly not wealthy enough from running profitable businesses. It's been well documented that his personal wealth is heavily fabricated.

In contrast, he's had just over 9 years through GOP fundraising of several billion dollars flowing toward him.

 

[Irish#1]

I’m not sure who this “ya all” is. Trump’s a demonstrable liar, con artist and convicted criminal. That being the case I would say my skepticism of his actions are well founded.

As to Biden, his kid died. That’s fucking rough. Minimize it if you want in some attempt to prove your point but that’s a dick move in my opinion.

So yeah, I believe Biden had a much deeper level of empathy as it relates to veterans and humans in general than the dude who has a history of ripping off every day people with stupid ass scams like Trump University, stiffing contractors, committing fraud, sexual assault, defamation and on and on.

Biden has been telling lies his entire career. Doesn’t seem to bother you as much as Donnie.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah, until that recent deal for his media platform, which was a business deal, his net worth has been lowest during the years he's been actively in office. Notice the dip in 2016, and it only started climbing again after getting out of office. Point is, he's not making big money while being President, he's making his wealth outside of office and the lawsuits certainly aren't helping. He gets out of politics then the lawsuits start drying up and it's not hurting the bottom line. This theory that he's getting wealthy through politics doesn't hold water.

He last went through bankruptcy proceedings in 2009. The time before that for was 2004. He has been in politics for longer than the space between bankruptcies.

We only have limited data, and the legal proceedings against him aren’t a liberal thing. Fraud is fraud. He’s been able to stay afloat because of his strangle hold on the GOP.

 

[Giddyup]

The nut job Walz also intimated he had ptsd after going to war in a govt meeting. Not that dems care but this guys stealing valor like a psycho. Ps. Polls are all over the place and are used to shape opinions.(many are purposefully inaccurate)

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The nut job Walz also intimated he had ptsd after going to war in a govt meeting. Not that dems care but this guys stealing valor like a psycho. Ps. Polls are all over the place and are used to shape opinions.(many are purposefully inaccurate)

Do you have a source for the PTSD claims? Genuinely curious

 

[Giddyup]

Not really good at this embedding stuff.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Not really good at this embedding stuff.

That embedded perfectly. And I just found that video as well. But unless I'm mishearing something no where in that does he mention himself having PTSD. IMO it's real stretch based on his quotes that he's implying himself suffered from ptsd

 

[Giddyup]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5127896/user-clip-walz-nods-afghanistan-vet-description

Think he served in Italy. Just creepy moves by the guy. I’m sure vets take it more seriously than me.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

His quote of "returning home in super of OEF" doesn't mean he says he was in Afghanistan. Only that he was supporting the operation. It's also common training the military does about handling situations at home vs how they would while serving. I think people are just hearing what they want without larger context of how. Military does countless live military training to mimic situations they may see in combat and then does training so they don't react that way in their household. Speaking to veteran friends and family they don't seem concerned about it at all. And say this kind of stuff is being used to drum up reactions from those that aren't familiar with the processes

 

[NDVirginia19]

I have been critical of Walz’ misrepresentations on his service record and agree that in that video does not claim to have experienced something he did not

 

[NDVirginia19]

We finally have a policy position out of the Kamala camp… a literally straight up copy paste of Trump’s no tax on tip proposal lmao

 

[ColoradoIrish]

We finally have a policy position out of the Kamala camp… a literally straight up copy paste of Trump’s no tax on tip proposal lmao

To be fair it's also a copy paste of Ron Paul's no tax on tip proposal and other politicians dating back to the 80s, just like Obama's immigration policy was a copy paste of George W's. None of them really have any original ideas.

But the optics definitely don't look the greatest

 

[Redbar]

To be fair it's also a copy paste of Ron Paul's no tax on tip proposal and other politicians dating back to the 80s, just like Obama's immigration policy was a copy paste of George W's. None of them really have any original ideas.
But the optics definitely don't look the greatest.

And yet we still rail on one as a liberal trying to increase their voting block or alternatively a cold hearted bastard; a moron or a genius depending on our biases.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

And yet we still rail on one as a liberal trying to increase their voting block or alternatively a cold hearted bastard; a moron or a genius depending on our biases.

I agree, I'm relatively young and it was probably the same way before but it seems to have gotten exponentially worse since Obama. The problem now I think is the rhetoric that been out since Trump campaigned in 2016. And that's not me attacking that side at all. I've never voted for a Democrat for the record. But things seem to have gotten really ugly and the ugliness has gotten really loud and acceptable once Trump stepped in the arena. Maybe I'm biased, but I truly feel he has brought out the worst in politics. I never viewed him as a shrew business man and don't see the appeal of him at all. I was a big Romney fan and definitely more of a moderate and I truly don't understand what people see in Trump.

 

[calvegas04]

We finally have a policy position out of the Kamala camp… a literally straight up copy paste of Trump’s no tax on tip proposal lmao

Such a stupid policy as well and one that will never be pushed through.

 

[drayer54]

Uh yeah.

Not even close to being accurate.

Let’s see off the top of my head

Operation Barbarossa
Midway
Occupation of Iraq/Operation Iraqi Freedom
Dien Bien Phu
Bay of Pigs
Various US operations in Somalia
Bombing of US Marine Barracks in Beirut
Russian Invasion of Ukraine
Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait

I guess we are going to re-write this history much like Kamala’s and Walz’s record.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I agree, I'm relatively young and it was probably the same way before but it seems to have gotten exponentially worse since Obama. The problem now I think is the rhetoric that been out since Trump campaigned in 2016. And that's not me attacking that side at all. I've never voted for a Democrat for the record. But things seem to have gotten really ugly and the ugliness has gotten really loud and acceptable once Trump stepped in the arena. Maybe I'm biased, but I truly feel he has brought out the worst in politics. I never viewed him as a shrew business man and don't see the appeal of him at all. I was a big Romney fan and definitely more of a moderate and I truly don't understand what people see in Trump.

I mean Joe Biden claimed that Mitt Romney would enslave black Americans and the leftist media insinuated that he gave a woman cancer

 

[NDVirginia19]

To be fair it's also a copy paste of Ron Paul's no tax on tip proposal and other politicians dating back to the 80s, just like Obama's immigration policy was a copy paste of George W's. None of them really have any original ideas.

But the optics definitely don't look the greatest

Especially because the administration she’s apart of literally hired hundreds of new IRS agents to enforce taxes on tips

 

[NDVirginia19]

Must Be nice to be a liberal and never have to answer tough questions about your scandals publicly and have the mainstream media spin your narrative on your behalf

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I mean Joe Biden claimed that Mitt Romney would enslave black Americans and the leftist media insinuated that he gave a woman cancer

I've never heard that before, but I also don't like Biden in the slightest. As far as I'm concerned he's one of the main reasons we've lost a lot of personal privacy freedoms dating back to his time as a senator in the 90s. I wish we had better candidates to choose from. I personally can't vote for the current Republican platform. I hope that they return more to the center after Trump is done with politics I just fear her and the evangelical wing has taken them too far to the right

 

[NDVirginia19]

On the left right spectrum, Trump is considerably more moderate economically and socially than Republicans have been post Reagan. Maybe immigration is his only more conservative position

 

[ColoradoIrish]

On the left right spectrum, Trump is considerably more moderate economically and socially than Republicans have been post Reagan. Maybe immigration is his only more conservative position

I agree on some of that. The reason I am so against the Republican party is their rhetoric towards the LGBTQ community. I have friends and family that are transgender and what the Republicans have been doing by with abortion rights and against transgender healthcare directly affects people I love and care for and in good conscience can't vote for people that have actively tried to remove those rights. I know not everyone agrees with my stances on that and that's fine. But I can't vote for people that are trying to eradicate and vilify trans people. I'd be willing to have a conversation in more depth about it outside of this thread to not clog it up and derail it. I'm a huge proponent of deregulation, I'm probably further to the right than almost anyone when it comes to gun rights, but this year I'm a single issue voter and that issue is transgender healthcare.

 

[IrishLax]

Not really good at this embedding stuff.

Did you actually watch the video? He doesn’t say that?

 

[IrishLax]