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That was most definitely not Italy's B squad. They had some guys out with injuries but no more than we had.

I just looked at the squad they used and the amount of caps they had and they had 12 players with at least ten caps where as the United States only had one more in 13. The squad Italy threw out was no where near a B team(agreeing with you)
 

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The only thing that one can say was that it was a friendly... and even that comes of as someone TRYING to hate on our national team... other than that they were at close to full strength as we were... great win for our boys.

the fact that it was in Italy makes it quite impressive... Oh and mexico (shithole) lost to Columbia... talk about the B team... lol

that makes it all the better.

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The goal was great, but that first one was DISGUSTIND! You're too young for this, but the kick first one reminds us of Marcelo Balboa's bicycle kick vs. Colombia in the World Cup that just missed. It was like the 1st time we'd seen anything like that from an American player, and he was a center defender at that! HE would have forever been a God if he had made that; as it was, it made him a star - that's how far American soccer has come. Balboa became famous because he ALMOST scored a "chilena" (for you irishpat) LOL.

Thanks for the video!
 

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The second one was good obviously because it went in but if the first one went in that is going to be sportscenter's top play for a long time.

Speaking of that game you mentioned, we did defeat Colombia right? Big upset, is that the game Escobar had an own goal which got him murdered?
 

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The second one was good obviously because it went in but if the first one went in that is going to be sportscenter's top play for a long time.

Speaking of that game you mentioned, we did defeat Colombia right? Big upset, is that the game Escobar had an own goal which got him murdered?

That's the one, and everything you said happened. If you haven't seen the documentary "The Two Escobars" (shame on you), do yourself a favor and watch it immediately. One of the best docs I've ever seen. My wife was enthralled with it, it was so good. I showed it to my 8th and 7th grade students, 10 minutes a day, and it had absolutely nothing to do with our curriculum but I just wanted them to see what a great documentary it was, and how effed up some things are in life. They were riveted, boys and girls alike. I've never felt worse for a human being after I watched that than I did for Carlos Escobar, RIP...
 

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NDLA I see you lurking, and I wanted to ask you if you knew anything about these guys Soccer Development Through Education — Someone posted a video of them on the LFC forums so I watched it and got interested. They had admittedly an all-star team, but they were playing tremendous pass and move footie at the U-11 age group. Let me dig up the vid quick and I'll post it. I subscribed to their blog and it's pretty interesting and also reassuring knowing we have guys like this molding our future at the youth level. Just thought you may have heard of them during your time in SoCal.


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Absolutely amazing for a U-11, all-stars or not. They have no official affiliation with Barca. I'm kind of guessing some questions will be asked. They are sons of Argentine immigrants and they obviously love the game, and are trying to bring some flavor to the U.S. They go to Barca's coaching clinics once a year but Barca doesn't have anything official outside of Catalonia. They just have respect for their academy and setup.
 
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That's the one, and everything you said happened. If you haven't seen the documentary "The Two Escobars" (shame on you), do yourself a favor and watch it immediately. One of the best docs I've ever seen. My wife was enthralled with it, it was so good. I showed it to my 8th and 7th grade students, 10 minutes a day, and it had absolutely nothing to do with our curriculum but I just wanted them to see what a great documentary it was, and how effed up some things are in life. They were riveted, boys and girls alike. I've never felt worse for a human being after I watched that than I did for Carlos Escobar, RIP...

that was my favorite 30 for 30... This is OT to the Carlos Escobar part, but who was that forward that Colombia had that was absolutely FILTHY. He seemed young for the team but I am not sure to be honest. I just remember them showing the buildup to the World Cup and the Argentina game and he just scored goal after goal.
 

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Is it true we didn't even qualify for the Olympics, men's?

No we didn't. To be fair Caleb Porter, our U-23 team embarrassed El Tri before we had a miserable qualifying campaign. It's not easy to take direct football, from the British Isles, which we have emulated forever, and all of a sudden go to a more passing, continental style that Jurgen is implementing. Our youth setup has had virtually no onus on technical development. He appointed Porter to oversee this at the U-23 level, and it didn't come off well in Olympic qualifying. We should have qualified, no excuse, but it's about implementing a new style and philosophy. It never happens without some hiccups.
 

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Is it true we didn't even qualify for the Olympics, men's?

One team from each continent I am pretty sure qualifies, in addition to the host.

Its U-23 teams, plus 3 members I believe from the senior team.

We gave up a goal I want to say in like the 90th minute of a game and we lost our spot by like a point because we tied instead of holding on to the victory. We even killed Mexico who is taking the spot for North America. Tough Break.
 

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No we didn't. To be fair Caleb Porter, our U-23 team embarrassed El Tri before we had a miserable qualifying campaign. It's not easy to take direct football, from the British Isles, which we have emulated forever, and all of a sudden go to a more passing, continental style that Jurgen is implementing. Our youth setup has had virtually no onus on technical development. He appointed Porter to oversee this at the U-23 level, and it didn't come off well in Olympic qualifying. We should have qualified, no excuse, but it's about implementing a new style and philosophy. It never happens without some hiccups.

This as well, but all we had to do was win our final game which we were doing until very late in the game. Gave up a very late goal and we tied so we didn't qualify. At least that's how I remember it.

At times we looked amazing. Never seen a USA squad look so good. At other times like you said. Major hiccups
 

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One team from each continent I am pretty sure qualifies, in addition to the host.

Its U-23 teams, plus 3 members I believe from the senior team.

We gave up a goal I want to say in like the 90th minute of a game and we lost our spot by like a point because we tied instead of holding on to the victory. We even killed Mexico who is taking the spot for North America. Tough Break.

Two. CONCACAF Men's Olympic Qualifying Tournament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We should have made it. CONCACAF is setup for us and Mexico to easily dominate.
 

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NDLA I see you lurking, and I wanted to ask you if you knew anything about these guys Soccer Development Through Education — Someone posted a video of them on the LFC forums so I watched it and got interested. They had admittedly an all-star team, but they were playing tremendous pass and move footie at the U-11 age group. Let me dig up the vid quick and I'll post it. I subscribed to their blog and it's pretty interesting and also reassuring knowing we have guys like this molding our future at the youth level. Just thought you may have heard of them during your time in SoCal.


Absolutely amazing for a U-11, all-stars or not. They have no official affiliation with Barca. I'm kind of guessing some questions will be asked. They are sons of Argentine immigrants and they obviously love the game, and are trying to bring some flavor to the U.S. They go to Barca's coaching clinics once a year but Barca doesn't have anything official outside of Catalonia. They just have respect for their academy and setup.

First of all, that video was sick! Those kids were phenomenal, and the soccer was phenomenal. There was definitely some Barca qualities in there, but there were far less patient in the final third (I know - shocking for 11 year-olds!), but many times, more direct which Spain/Barca are when they have outstanding forwards. It was extremely impressive!

As for the Keiblan brothers and their organization, yes, I am familiar with them. I will say that have reputations of being excellent coaches, and you saw, their kids play soccer the right way.

HOWEVER, those guys are dIcks, plain and simple, and I wouldn't want my son playing for them until they were like 16 year-olds. Winning is HUGE for them, like it validates everything they're doing and gives them the big ego boost they so desperately crave, even at the youth level (I'm talking like 8 and 9 year-olds). I love to win as much as the next guy, but for my kids, it'll ALL be about development at the early ages, and if winning comes along with that, great. If not, as a parent BFD. Nobody in the real world gives a crap about if some U10 team won a friggin' tournament in April in Kokomo, IN. But to these guys, their own mission is to teach kids to play the game the right way (with flair and possession and tactics, etc - love that), and to win games, which is a stupid mission at that age IMO.

Because when winning is so important, that's when recruiting comes in to play, and that's what sucks about youth sports. And for years, these brother's have said, "Hey, if we go after your best player, and they want to come with us, well that's your fault! Stop being such a sh!tty coach! And why are you complaining? Be a competitor and try to keep your player!" For 10 year-old kids! And sorry, that's just a sh!tty way to look at like, for me at least. A lot of times, the coaching is really good, but a team might not have the best players and so they don't win, and stupid parents ONLY look at winning, and so they leave their clubs behind (clubs that have built a player's skills to the point where a bigger fish wants them) to go to a winning club (and often times, realize the grass isn't always greener when their playing time is cut drastically). They also get a ton of parents WANTING to have their kids play for them, and they never feel bad about taking other teams' players (maybe they shouldn't feel bad, I don't know).

Also, and this kills me about youth soccer - what coach lets a 10 year-old kid celebrate by doing a choreographed celebration after a goal??? I've coached all levels of soccer, and I've never let my kids do that. Be excited, and celebrate organically, but don't do anything stupid to show up the other team. Ridiculous. Act like you've done it before, and when you do score an important goal, be excited and jump around or whatever, but don't do the stupid choreographed crap. You get to be a pro or a collegiate, do it then.

So anyway, yes, these guys can coach. But they are a-holes, and they make no bones about them being a-holes - they'll tell you to their face that they are d!cks. I hope they develop some great players, but I also hope they get a large dose of humble pie, whether it happens spiritually or someone kicks the sh!t out them...
 

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First of all, that video was sick! Those kids were phenomenal, and the soccer was phenomenal. There was definitely some Barca qualities in there, but there were far less patient in the final third (I know - shocking for 11 year-olds!), but many times, more direct which Spain/Barca are when they have outstanding forwards. It was extremely impressive!

As for the Keiblan brothers and their organization, yes, I am familiar with them. I will say that have reputations of being excellent coaches, and you saw, their kids play soccer the right way.

HOWEVER, those guys are dIcks, plain and simple, and I wouldn't want my son playing for them until they were like 16 year-olds. Winning is HUGE for them, like it validates everything they're doing and gives them the big ego boost they so desperately crave, even at the youth level (I'm talking like 8 and 9 year-olds). I love to win as much as the next guy, but for my kids, it'll ALL be about development at the early ages, and if winning comes along with that, great. If not, as a parent BFD. Nobody in the real world gives a crap about if some U10 team won a friggin' tournament in April in Kokomo, IN. But to these guys, their own mission is to teach kids to play the game the right way (with flair and possession and tactics, etc - love that), and to win games, which is a stupid mission at that age IMO.

Because when winning is so important, that's when recruiting comes in to play, and that's what sucks about youth sports. And for years, these brother's have said, "Hey, if we go after your best player, and they want to come with us, well that's your fault! Stop being such a sh!tty coach! And why are you complaining? Be a competitor and try to keep your player!" For 10 year-old kids! And sorry, that's just a sh!tty way to look at like, for me at least. A lot of times, the coaching is really good, but a team might not have the best players and so they don't win, and stupid parents ONLY look at winning, and so they leave their clubs behind (clubs that have built a player's skills to the point where a bigger fish wants them) to go to a winning club (and often times, realize the grass isn't always greener when their playing time is cut drastically). They also get a ton of parents WANTING to have their kids play for them, and they never feel bad about taking other teams' players (maybe they shouldn't feel bad, I don't know).

Also, and this kills me about youth soccer - what coach lets a 10 year-old kid celebrate by doing a choreographed celebration after a goal??? I've coached all levels of soccer, and I've never let my kids do that. Be excited, and celebrate organically, but don't do anything stupid to show up the other team. Ridiculous. Act like you've done it before, and when you do score an important goal, be excited and jump around or whatever, but don't do the stupid choreographed crap. You get to be a pro or a collegiate, do it then.

So anyway, yes, these guys can coach. But they are a-holes, and they make no bones about them being a-holes - they'll tell you to their face that they are d!cks. I hope they develop some great players, but I also hope they get a large dose of humble pie, whether it happens spiritually or someone kicks the sh!t out them...

It seems so because they are pretty liberal with the swear words on their blog. They also wax lyrical about winning all the time not being important, but I certainly see some ego coming through their posts. I love their thoughts on football development but it seems they fall into the same hyper-masculine American crap about winning which has stunted our development for years, which goes against what they say on their site. They were kind of confusing on the blog because they spout some very interesting ideas and say all the right things, but then you see some evidence to the contrary all over.

Thanks for the insight, it's greatly appreciated. I certainly wouldn't want my kids playing for them if they act like that. They even had a post about not playing kids on the blog and how training is more important at that stage. Really just all sorts of excuses for not playing the kids but they validate it with the European academy setup. Doesn't really jive in my book since they aren't footing all of the bills for their lodging and education as well.
 
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Too damn funny. Watching these half-wits writhing on the field whenever someone gets within 10 feet of them like they just got mugged at knife point. The best is when one of these cats gets drilled in the yam bag, roll around for half an hour and then go out and run a 9.85, 100 meters down the sideline to shadow stab someone from the opposing team. This is no better than watching a field full of mimes. lmao

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