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[GATTACA!]

We'll agree to disagree on our interpretation of grooming.

So you’d agree that Christians who interrupt drag book readings are grooming children too?

Honestly with the amount of pedophilia in the church I’m not sure you’d be wrong.

 

[Armyirish47]

So you’d agree that Christians who interrupt drag book readings are grooming children too?

Honestly with the amount of pedophilia in the church I’m not sure you’d be wrong.

I mean Kirk Cameron's best friend's nickname was Boner. Coincidence? I THINK NOT

 

[TorontoGold]

Why are you afraid to say who you think is afraid of their existence?

I'll let you off the hook because I know you would never give a simple answer. Regardless of what you think, no one on this board is afraid of their existence. Your problem is the stereotypical woke line of thinking. If you don't agree with something 100% then you're a bigot and afraid of the boogie man. Not agreeing with their actions to teach kids how to be drag queens or putting on shows for kids doesn't mean one is afraid of their existence. Like everything, there's a time and place. It's really not that hard to understand.

I didn't want to name names because these discussions are redundant and just in the culture war thunderdome that's extremely tedious.

But people who've said "has a problem" with their existence - Bishop, calls it a mental illness which in my opinion is an issue with their existence. Blazers (who I admit has become more accepting/progressive with his views) has shared similar sentiment. I'm sure that Sea Turtle has made similar comments as well. So, I hope those names suffice.

I'm not sure how you got "you're a bigot" from me saying "lol". Seems like quite the overreaction.

 

[Irish#1]

I didn't want to name names because these discussions are redundant and just in the culture war thunderdome that's extremely tedious.

But people who've said "has a problem" with their existence - Bishop, calls it a mental illness which in my opinion is an issue with their existence. Blazers (who I admit has become more accepting/progressive with his views) has shared similar sentiment. I'm sure that Sea Turtle has made similar comments as well. So, I hope those names suffice.

I'm not sure how you got "you're a bigot" from me saying "lol". Seems like quite the overreaction.

You think they have a problem with the existence of those who suffer from schizophrenia?

 

[TorontoGold]

You think they have a problem with the existence of those who suffer from schizophrenia?

What does schizophrenia have to do with transgenderism?

 

[Irish#1]

So you’d agree that Christians who interrupt drag book readings are grooming children too?

Honestly with the amount of pedophilia in the church I’m not sure you’d be wrong.

If drag queens disrupted a reading out of dress, hair and makeup then I wouldn't consider it grooming. Neither should be disrupting the other. Protest outside. I will say that I don't agree with LGBTQ's teaching kids their choices when they're young. Yet, if a kid asks a question, answer it and leave it at that. They can figure it out for themselves when they're older.

 

[Irish#1]

What does schizophrenia have to do with transgenderism?

Mental illness.

 

[TorontoGold]

Mental illness.

What does that have to do with transgenderism?

 

[Rockin’Irish]

What does that have to do with transgenderism?

Isn’t one of the arguments advocating gender reassignment surgery that the individuals are suffering from depression and other mental illnesses which could lead to them harming themselves or even suicide?

 

[TorontoGold]

Isn’t one of the arguments advocating gender reassignment surgery that the individuals are suffering from depression and other mental illnesses which could lead to them harming themselves or even suicide?

Yep, I just don't see the connection between mental illness/schizophrenia with the existence of transgender people. Unless the position is that transgender people are just mentally ill, and then I disagree with that but #1 hasn't said what he believes so I won't assume his position.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Yep, I just don't see the connection between mental illness/schizophrenia with the existence of transgender people. Unless the position is that transgender people are just mentally ill, and then I disagree with that but #1 hasn't said what he believes so I won't assume his position.

Do we know for sure if it’s gender dysphoria that causes depression or maybe depression can cause gender dysphoria? Maybe what was historically viewed as schizophrenia is now sometimes viewed as gender dysphoria. Based on societal views of the current time, I would say what is and isn’t mental illness is blurred at best. It’s a constantly changing target so all we can have is an opinion. Maybe down the road, every person could be diagnosed with some degree or type of mental illness. Sorry to butt in, I’m sure Irish #1 will answer your question on his opinion.

 

[GowerND11]

I think we’re also missing a key thing here. Drag queens don’t have to be trans, gay, queer, anything. They can be 100% straight.

 

[Wild Bill]

Yep, I just don't see the connection between mental illness/schizophrenia with the existence of transgender people. Unless the position is that transgender people are just mentally ill, and then I disagree with that but #1 hasn't said what he believes so I won't assume his position.

You believe a man can be both mentally healthy and have an uncontrollable urge to lop his cock off?

Call me old-fashioned but try to protect this fucker at all costs.

 

[TorontoGold]

You believe a man can be both mentally healthy and have an uncontrollable urge to lop his cock off?

Call me old-fashioned but try to protect this fucker at all costs.

What's the issue? Unless your husband is the one getting the surgey I don't know how it impacts you.

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[ulukinatme]

I've seen a number of videos on Twitter/Tiktok where trans people complain that cis men/women won't date trans people and they'll use that as a basis to call them transphobic. The problem is these people have been conditioned to believe being a trans woman is no different than being a regular women, and they say things like these cis people shouldn't be afraid of a "feminine penis" and such things. It even feels crazy to type that last bit out. These poor people have been coddled into believing a lie for so long when they should have been getting help.

It is mental illness. I'm only partway through this video, but there's some interesting points made. Trans people are 4 times more likely to have a psychiatric disorder compared to a control group, with 10,000 trans people being used for the study and 53 million in the control group. Often times the issue stems from childhood, I've seen it personally with my niece. She was abused as a toddler by her own father and it left her confused and torn on her own gender and sexuality for a long time. It's tragic, and after an abusive relationship in high school she somehow flipped the script and found a healthy rewarding relationship with a straight guy and she considers herself a girl today. There are things she'll probably never get over. She's been through so much, and it makes me sad to think how many others have been through similar situations and the damage it's caused.

 

[Irish#1]

Yep, I just don't see the connection between mental illness/schizophrenia with the existence of transgender people. Unless the position is that transgender people are just mentally ill, and then I disagree with that but #1 hasn't said what he believes so I won't assume his position.

My point was they believe being a trans is related to a mental situation, like schizophrenia is a mental disorder. I'm assuming you believe schizophrenia is a mental disorder? Are you afraid of the existence of those who suffer from schizophrenia? I'm going to assume that you aren't. So the question is why are they afraid of the existence of trans simply because they believe it to be a mental issue?

 

[Irish#1]

 

[TorontoGold]

My point was they believe being a trans is related to a mental situation, like schizophrenia is a mental disorder. I'm assuming you believe schizophrenia is a mental disorder? Are you afraid of the existence of those who suffer from schizophrenia? I'm going to assume that you aren't. So the question is why are they afraid of the existence of trans simply because they believe it to be a mental issue?

The initial point was you asked who I thought had an issue with their existence. Calling people who are transgender mentally ill for just being transgender is something I disagree with. In my opinion that undermine their existence. I did not say anything about them being afraid of them. This is a pretty circular discussion, I would curious to hear your thoughts on Gower's posts.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Do we know for sure if it’s gender dysphoria that causes depression or maybe depression can cause gender dysphoria? Maybe what was historically viewed as schizophrenia is now sometimes viewed as gender dysphoria. Based on societal views of the current time, I would say what is and isn’t mental illness is blurred at best. It’s a constantly changing target so all we can have is an opinion. Maybe down the road, every person could be diagnosed with some degree or type of mental illness. Sorry to butt in, I’m sure Irish #1 will answer your question on his opinion.

Dude. Depression does not cause gender dysphoria.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Dude. Depression does not cause gender dysphoria.

My point was more to the effect that no one really knows what causes gender dysphoria but you could very well be correct. IIRC, there are close to 300 mental disorders/illnesses now defined by APA and the list will just continue to grow. It’s pretty crazy, no pun intended.

 

[Irish#1]

The initial point was you asked who I thought had an issue with their existence. Calling people who are transgender mentally ill for just being transgender is something I disagree with. In my opinion that undermine their existence. I did not say anything about them being afraid of them. This is a pretty circular discussion, I would curious to hear your thoughts on Gower's posts.

Gower is correct. Some Drag Queens aren't LGBTQ.

You're right you didn't say afraid. Yet, if we followed your logic, they are undermining the existence of anyone who has a mental disorder.

 

[TorontoGold]

Gower is correct. Some Drag Queens aren't LGBTQ.

You're right you didn't say afraid. Yet, if we followed your logic, they are undermining the existence of anyone who has a mental disorder.

No, his points about how they're "grooming" I don't think I saw your explanation as to how their protest was to be considered grooming.

How are they undermining the existence of someone who has a mental disorder? I believe that calling a transgender person mentally ill based on solely them identifying as transgender is undermining their existence.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'm pretty tolerant when it comes to transgenderism. Whenever I meet one from time to time, I always treat them with dignity and respect and address them as the gender they are clearly portraying.

As to the procedure, if someone wants to do that then ok. I do think that the surgery aspect should be held off until someone is 18. Maybe even 21 in regards to males as their brains are still developing until they are 25. This is a huge decision that requires a lot of counseling beforehand and thinking things through. No matter how long they have thought this way as a child. They may know they are gay, fair enough. But that's not making life altering decisions.

I know that sounds obvious. I'm not sure children under 18 can think at that level. You are simply a different person at 25, 30, 35, etc. I know I am. A 20 year old can't even buy a pack of cigarettes. There is no going back on this. Love them.

As far as education, I wouldn't go so far as the DeSantis bill. I think children are ready to know of homosexual relationships and transgenderism in junior high. By this time they know about this and genuinely have questions.

That's where I stand myself and I don't think it's unreasonable.

 

[Irish#1]

No, his points about how they're "grooming" I don't think I saw your explanation as to how their protest was to be considered grooming.

How are they undermining the existence of someone who has a mental disorder? I believe that calling a transgender person mentally ill based on solely them identifying as transgender is undermining their existence.

That’s a big stretch to think that someone who thinks it’s a mental disorder is affecting their existence unless Trans can read minds. To undermine their existence, they would need to be taking action against them, like threatening them or trying to prevent them from altering their genitalia.

 

[TorontoGold]

That’s a big stretch to think that someone who thinks it’s a mental disorder is affecting their existence unless Trans can read minds. To undermine their existence, they would need to be taking action against them, like threatening them or trying to prevent them from altering their genitalia.

It's invalidating to that person to say them being transgender is just a mental disorder. Similar to how in the past people would refer to gay people as "troubled" "immoral" or that it's a "choice".

 

[Irish#1]

It's invalidating to that person to say them being transgender is just a mental disorder. Similar to how in the past people would refer to gay people as "troubled" "immoral" or that it's a "choice".

Yet, I doubt Bishop and whomever else you were referring to in your initial post go around telling Trans they have a mental disorder.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yet, I doubt Bishop and whomever else you were referring to in your initial post go around telling Trans they have a mental disorder.

That's likely true, I'm just basing this off of what they've posted on here. I don't know what they say in person.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Parents complain Michelangelo's David is 'pornographic'

Hope Carrasquilla was pushed out of Tallahassee Classical School after three parents complained that their kids were 'upset' by Michelangelo's David, the world's most famous sculpture.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wasn't this a Simpsons episode?

 

[Irish#1]

That's likely true, I'm just basing this off of what they've posted on here. I don't know what they say in person.

So their posting on IE that they believe it's a mental illness is interfering with Trans existence.

Look for one of these under your Christmas tree.

 

[Irish#1]

Parents complain Michelangelo's David is 'pornographic'

Hope Carrasquilla was pushed out of Tallahassee Classical School after three parents complained that their kids were 'upset' by Michelangelo's David, the world's most famous sculpture.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wasn't this a Simpsons episode?

You can't make this stuff up.