Common Sense

[bert2834]

COMMON SENSE

I believe that this is what the defense is lacking.
We are in OT with a 3 point lead and a QB who has thrown more INTs than TDs, they are not going to pass.
They are averaging 5 yards a carry. They are not going to pass!
They have ran almost every ball inside, why blitz from the outside and leave the middle wide open?
It just seems like Tenuta has no common sense. I told my In-laws every play they were going to run and I have never played football(other than Pee-wee), never coached football, but I have common sense.

Also, I told them as soon as I saw Charlie with the tears in his eyes, the decision has already been made, whether it was by him, or the administration. He is gone, that will be his last game at ND. I feel bad for the guy. I liked him from the beginning. Great guy, great O-Coordinator, not a great Head Coach.

I just hope we find someone who can take us to the next level.
The defense played uninspired the whole game and Sergio needs to never play again, tired of seeing him get juked with the slightest move and he doesn't finish plays. Two players had there RB stood up on one play and Sergio just stood there watching an the guy got 3 more yards instead of being pushed backwards.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

 

[NDMontana]

COMMON SENSE

I believe that this is what the defense is lacking.
We are in OT with a 3 point lead and a QB who has thrown more INTs than TDs, they are not going to pass.
They are averaging 5 yards a carry. They are not going to pass!
They have ran almost every ball inside, why blitz from the outside and leave the middle wide open?
It just seems like Tenuta has no common sense. I told my In-laws every play they were going to run and I have never played football(other than Pee-wee), never coached football, but I have common sense.

Also, I told them as soon as I saw Charlie with the tears in his eyes, the decision has already been made, whether it was by him, or the administration. He is gone, that will be his last game at ND. I feel bad for the guy. I liked him from the beginning. Great guy, great O-Coordinator, not a great Head Coach.

I just hope we find someone who can take us to the next level.
The defense played uninspired the whole game and Sergio needs to never play again, tired of seeing him get juked with the slightest move and he doesn't finish plays. Two players had there RB stood up on one play and Sergio just stood there watching an the guy got 3 more yards instead of being pushed backwards.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the coaches in the press box were listening to Hayden when he said, in the second OT after UConn passed on first down and it was incomplete, "Now UConn can't run the ball, I don't know why they would do that".....2 and 10 was a 9 yard run.

The way Tenuta lines up the defense is a mystery. The fourth down that UConn converted yesterday was a case-in-point: Te'o was lined up two yards outside the tackle. How obvious was it that an off-tackle or pitch was not going to be the play call on 4th-and-1? Yet both OLB's were lined up outside the tackle and the play went right up the middle.

One of the reporters asked CW about Tenuta this morning and said "He's considered one of the best defensive coordinators in college football"....I almost fell off my couch laughing.

 

[bert2834]

Yeah, it is amazing that we as fans can see these things and the coaches cannot. It just makes me wonder what they watch or how they got the job in the first place.

 

[DCirishfan]

We need Kelly, we need him yesterday. God have mercy on us!

 

[JefMaj]

Of course, if it's just common sense... we should all send in resume's....

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

We need Kelly, we need him yesterday. God have mercy on us!

UConn scored 45 points while rushing for 5.4 yards a carry against Kelly.

Fresno State rushed for 290 yards against his team. Time of possession: 43:42 to 16:18 in favor of Fresno.

Common Sense.

 

[NDisme]

agree, kelly is a spread version of cw, gimmi stoops damnit!

UConn scored 45 points while rushing for 5.4 yards a carry against Kelly.

Fresno State rushed for 290 yards against his team. Time of possession: 43:42 to 16:18 in favor of Fresno.

Common Sense.

 

[WaveDomer]

Defense wins championships. Plain and simple. Defense wins championships.

 

[tankjeep]

Defense wins championships. Plain and simple. Defense wins championships.

exactly.

 

[OCIrish]

Defense wins championships. Plain and simple. Defense wins championships.

And when we put people like Ethan Johnson at DT, we obviously have a DC who has his head up his ass. You put him at DT only when you are in a rush situation, why don't we have some beef in there such as Hafis Williams or Newman? Why in the hell haven't we seen some of the bigger guys on the defensive side of the ball in there more? I would have fired Tenuta's ass midway through the season just because we've sucked that bad on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[phork]

COMMON SENSE

I believe that this is what the defense is lacking.
We are in OT with a 3 point lead and a QB who has thrown more INTs than TDs, they are not going to pass.
They are averaging 5 yards a carry. They are not going to pass!
They have ran almost every ball inside, why blitz from the outside and leave the middle wide open?
It just seems like Tenuta has no common sense. I told my In-laws every play they were going to run and I have never played football(other than Pee-wee), never coached football, but I have common sense.

Also, I told them as soon as I saw Charlie with the tears in his eyes, the decision has already been made, whether it was by him, or the administration. He is gone, that will be his last game at ND. I feel bad for the guy. I liked him from the beginning. Great guy, great O-Coordinator, not a great Head Coach.

I just hope we find someone who can take us to the next level.
The defense played uninspired the whole game and Sergio needs to never play again, tired of seeing him get juked with the slightest move and he doesn't finish plays. Two players had there RB stood up on one play and Sergio just stood there watching an the guy got 3 more yards instead of being pushed backwards.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

I guess the reports in the news about Navy going to the West Coast Offense were greatly exaggerated as well? *DoH*

UConn scored 45 points while rushing for 5.4 yards a carry against Kelly.

Fresno State rushed for 290 yards against his team. Time of possession: 43:42 to 16:18 in favor of Fresno.

Common Sense.

And yet Kelly is 10-0 and the world is bright, and Weis is a lucky 6-5 and looking at forced retirement.

Yes D wins championships, but you don't need a complete shut down D to win it all.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

agree, kelly is a spread version of cw

A spread version of Weis who made 3 programs into winners and is 10-0 right now. That's a ridiculous comment.

 

[irishfan]

Weis is a lucky 6-5 and looking at forced retirement.

Hard to call it lucky. We are 4-5 in close games (decided by 7 points or less) with 6 of those games coming at home. I'm not here to argue in defense of Weis, but you can easily argue that we are an unlucky 6-5.

 

[NDMontana]

Hard to call it lucky. We are 4-5 in close games (decided by 7 points or less) with 6 of those games coming at home. I'm not here to argue in defense of Weis, but you can easily argue that we are an unlucky 6-5.

Or you could argue that we're lucky not to be 2-9 or 11-0. Either way the team is 6-5 and, despite CW's extremely hard work and best efforts, it's not good enough. He still leaves this program in a better place and has laid waste to the rubbish perpetuated by Willingham and Davie that it's "too hard to recruit" with the academic standards in place at Notre Dame.

 

[NDisme]

im not talking about what kelly has done in the past but im saying very good offense not a good defense in that respect so it is not such a ridiculous comment

A spread version of Weis who made 3 programs into winners and is 10-0 right now. That's a ridiculous comment.

 

[NDMontana]

im not talking about what kelly has done in the past but im saying very good offense not a good defense in that respect so it is not such a ridiculous comment

Well Cincinatti has the 38th ranked defense in the country and the third ranked offense. I think the talk of Kelly's defense is a bit unfair. Sure, 38th isn't great but it's still in top 1/3 of teams in the country. Our defense is ranked 80th!

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

Cincinatti has not played anyone. South Florida and West Virginia are their big wins.

Kelly has a fancy offense and an average defense.

Uconn beat them 40-16 last year!
Cinci barely got by Hawaii 29-24 last year. A team good ol' Charlie stomped.
Virginia Tech rushed for 258 yards to beat them 20-7.
I won't even mention what OU did to them.

Cinci's big wins last year: South Florida, West Virginia, Pitt, and Akron

Oh wait...im sorry, Akron sucks. Definitely not a landmark win. Especially when its only 17-15.

A win is a win. But he is a risky choice for the next ND head coach.

 

[NDMontana]

Cincinatti has not played anyone. South Florida and West Virginia are their big wins.

Kelly has a fancy offense and an average defense.

Uconn beat them 40-16 last year!
Cinci barely got by Hawaii 29-24 last year. A team good ol' Charlie stomped.
Virginia Tech rushed for 258 yards to beat them 20-7.
I won't even mention what OU did to them.

Cinci's big wins last year: South Florida, West Virginia, Pitt, and Akron

Oh wait...im sorry, Akron sucks. Definitely not a landmark win. Especially when its only 17-15.

A win is a win. But he is a risky choice for the next ND head coach.

He's taken a perennial doormat to two BCS bowls in two years. He's led lesser players to victories over Pitt....we haven't beaten Pitt in two years. Hell, in the last two years alone he's led Cincinnati to victories over five ranked teams. So they have beaten some somebodies.

The mark of a good coach is a coach that beats everybody or almost everybody on his team's schedule. You can assume that Cincinnati's talent level is similar to that of other teams in the Big East and mabye slightly inferior to Pitt and South Florida; they win most of their games and you can't ask a coach to do anything else.

 

[jason_h537]

i just hate the spread. If he ran a pro style system id probably be more receptive to Kelly. I would much rather get a coach who prefers a pro style offense

 

[NDMontana]

i just hate the spread. If he ran a pro style system id probably be more receptive to Kelly. I would much rather get a coach who prefers a pro style offense

Why? What's the fixation with pro-style? Most of the top teams seem to run some variant of the spread option. Obviously a predictable, pro-style offense hasn't gotten ND far in the last few years.

 

[jason_h537]

I dont knwo maybe because i grew up in pac 10 country and like seeing teams runa pro style offense. The spread just seems gimmicky. I dont know why a kid would want to play in that offense. It creates mismatches but unless your a wide receiver it really limits a players potential to grow.

 

[NDisme]

mine beef with the spread is to me i like t see thet qb under center some, to me that is football and i hate like housyan and texas tech and cincy throwing it every god damn down, might as well be arena football

I dont knwo maybe because i grew up in pac 10 country and like seeing teams runa pro style offense. The spread just seems gimmicky. I dont know why a kid would want to play in that offense. It creates mismatches but unless your a wide receiver it really limits a players potential to grow.

 

[jason_h537]

mine beef with the spread is to me i like t see thet qb under center some, to me that is football and i hate like housyan and texas tech and cincy throwing it every god damn down, might as well be arena football

That and i like a QB that can read a defense not just the DE. Also a pro system is supposed to be balanced. Look at Alabama, their QB sucks but they can pound it out if necessary. Theres just so much more to hurt you with. Plus i would like to see Dayne have a successfull QB career and not have to learn in the NFLbecause he ran the spread and he forgot how to read a defense and stand under center. Saw him in High School and i love seeing local guys at ND.

 

[NDMontana]

I dont knwo maybe because i grew up in pac 10 country and like seeing teams runa pro style offense. The spread just seems gimmicky. I dont know why a kid would want to play in that offense. It creates mismatches but unless your a wide receiver it really limits a players potential to grow.

I'm not too concerned with what players do at the next level anyhow. I want to see ND win games and this program isn't producing many productive NFL players with a pro-style offense. We have differing opinions here so I won't argue but I'll say that I could give a damn what happens on Sundays....it's Saturdays that matter to me.

 

[NDMontana]

That and i like a QB that can read a defense not just the DE. Also a pro system is supposed to be balanced. Look at Alabama, their QB sucks but they can pound it out if necessary. Theres just so much more to hurt you with. Plus i would like to see Dayne have a successfull QB career and not have to learn in the NFLbecause he ran the spread and he forgot how to read a defense and stand under center. Saw him in High School and i love seeing local guys at ND.

Look at some of ND's goal line plays this year and you'll understand that the current game plan is fairly dummied down as well: think about the timing pattern that Jimmy threw into nowhere at the end of the SC game (Kamara slipped), the timing route vs. Navy that went right off Floyd's back and another timing pattern in the redzone this weekend that Floyd (I guess it's his fault) didn't break early enough on that ended up in the middle of nowhere. That's not asking the QB to use his eyes or read the defense; that's telling a QB to drop back, count to three and throw the ball three yards to the right or left of where the receiver is prior to his break....and a lot of ND's patterns are similar. I'm not attempting to discredit Jimmy Clausen--he still has to make the throws--but don't act like every play entails Jimmy dropping back and reading through progessions. Some of the plays do require him to do that but quite a few do not.

So in a spread you force the defense to respect the run and pass. You sacrifice the sexy All-American QB, I suppose, but the beauty is that it's a lot easier to plug in QB's because Jimmy Clausen isn't going to come along every third year. Running backs, receivers and linemen still do what they'd do in any other offense so you're still putting them in the pros. Look at the option ND ran under Lou: Tim Brown, Raghib Ismail...the list of professionals could go on. What ND players, since Ty instituted the pro-style and Charlie (naturally) continued it, are playing and having an impact in the NFL?

Like I said, difference of opinion. I don't give a damn if former players are Sunday afternoon superstars, I care about what they do on the field for three or four years worth of Saturdays.

 

[NDMontana]

I dont knwo maybe because i grew up in pac 10 country and like seeing teams runa pro style offense. The spread just seems gimmicky. I dont know why a kid would want to play in that offense. It creates mismatches but unless your a wide receiver it really limits a players potential to grow.

ONe other thing, the spread might seem "gimmicky" but it's effective. Now if you want to talk about gimmicky lets talk about the wild cat formation and how every team in the country has some form of it in their playbook; obviously it's been great for ND....just think back to the Pitt game when we were pinned down inside our own 10 and CW dialed it up on first and second down putting us in a third-and-13 situation. That's gimmicky.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Offense needs to score. That is the mission. Get it done.

Whatever it takes.

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

Montana what I'm trying to say is this:

Yes Cincinnati is in BCS contention. However they have a weak schedule. The Big East is weak. He hasn't beaten a team I would consider good in his three years as head coach there.

I want a head coach who will get this program competing at the level of Texas and Florida.

Kelly has not coached at a level anywhere near that yet. ND needs an experienced coach who has been there. We can't afford another change in 3-4 years.

I just don't think he is ready for the job. He hasn't faced nearly the pressure nor competition he will at ND.

Look at Rich Rod at Michigan, a Big East coach that went a step up and is in way over his head.

 

[NDinFL]

UConn scored 45 points while rushing for 5.4 yards a carry against Kelly.

Fresno State rushed for 290 yards against his team. Time of possession: 43:42 to 16:18 in favor of Fresno.

Common Sense.

he brought the stats to the table....how can you argue with that? do you think we could beat Fresno State? what kind of recruits do THEY pull?

 

[irishfan]

lets talk about the wild cat formation and how every team in the country has some form of it in their playbook; obviously it's been great for ND....just think back to the Pitt game when we were pinned down inside our own 10 and CW dialed it up on first and second down putting us in a third-and-13 situation. That's gimmicky.

How about when we scored two TDs with it against MSU? Or the 3 other TDs we've scored with it?

I think the point Jason is trying to make is that you don't see teams running the spread exclusively, and being in the Top 10. Sure, Cincy is this year with the weak schedule and Florida is when they have a QB/FB who can run for 4 yards every play and they have more speed than anyone else in the country, but who else? There's nothing wrong with running the Wildcat a few times a game or the read option once in a while, but you can't expect to be in the Shotgun all game and field a Top 10 team.