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I don't think Oregon will crush Penn St. Could be wrong and I know we all dislike them greatly but they do play good defense. Oregon struggled with Wisconsin so I see this one no more than a 10 point game either way.

I'll be interested to find out but I also think it'll be a heavy crowd in favor of Penn St with the shorter trip. Still a good haul but it's a drive to Indy for Penn St. Not a flight like it is for Oregon
Oregon was playing their eighth straight conference game in a row against Wisconsin. Notre Dame struggled playing its seventh game in a row against Louisville in ‘23. I don’t think Penn State has the offense to stay with Oregon.
 

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You guys are probably right. It’s exactly the same. Nothing has changed. Ignore all the statistics and actual literal data in the last three years comparing Kelly teams and Freeman teams.

Literally one “slightly above average” recruiting class and six (6) of you are overtaking every single thread to bitch and moan.

I literally read a post yesterday where someone—and I forget who it was or I’d tag their idiot ass…actually it was probably @JadedDomer—was arguing in THE SAME POST that we can’t rely on the portal to recruit and that we also aren’t doing well enough in the portal to recruit.

WE PROBABLY AREN’T EVER GOING TO DROP BAGS ON INCOMING FRESHMAN RECRUITS. EVER. Maybe we’ll get on board with some sort of compensation to incoming recruits as a part of their package, but if you’re expecting what ND does to parallel with what’s going on at big state schools, you’re going to continue to just twist your innards into knots.

You cee u next Tuesdays who want to keep going “but but but Michigan…” can fuck right off and trade your gold in for maize. This shit is not going to work out for them any better than it has for Tennessee…or Auburn…or A&M…

Fuck me, man. Can we just put a moratorium on this until the playoffs are over and we’re hoisting a natty?
ND has had 3 undefeated seasons in the last 12 years. 2012, 2018 and 2020. At the end of those seasons, they 0-4 to Alabama twice and Clemson twice, one being a conference championship game. Had Georgia on the schedule and went 0-2. Had Ohio State and went 0-2. Lost again to Clemson last year. Math is cool and data is fun. But to say things are different is comedy. Will things be different going forward? Maybe… your data and math might be looking into the future and that’s great. But Notre has been that team for the last few decades to win 10-11 games while losing to top tier teams and the occasional wetting of the bed to teams like NIU, Marshall or Stanford. On the field this is pretty much the same results we have seen. This data and math is writing checks they will eventually have to cash. Beating a brand like Alabama in round one would be huge for the program. I like coach Freeman. I like this team. I like where it might be potentially headed…. but let’s actually win a big game. You guys are hilarious trying to be the analytics champs all the time.
 

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How the fuck so you think ND got to 11-1. When was the last time they had a top 5 recruiting class. They seem to be doing a pretty damn good identifying talent. Besides WR’s where is this team currently lacking and there is plenty of talent that will be in the portal.
From a talent standpoint there were teams better talented that went 9-3 than 11-1. A lot depends on regular season scheduling and that is the point I was trying to make with others. Regular season records really don’t show the whole story. Those bowl games when we get blown out shows the talent gap.
 

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From a talent standpoint there were teams better talented that went 9-3 than 11-1. A lot depends on regular season scheduling and that is the point I was trying to make with others. Regular season records really don’t show the whole story. Those bowl games when we get blown out shows the talent gap.
The talent gap is no longer there. 2018 Clemson? 2020 Bama? Sure, pretty substantial talent gap. 2024 Texas, Ohio St, Georgia? Not so much, minimal
 

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Oregon was playing their eighth straight conference game in a row against Wisconsin. Notre Dame struggled playing its seventh game in a row against Louisville in ‘23. I don’t think Penn State has the offense to stay with Oregon.
Penn St. doesn't know how to get the ball to its most talented offensive player in Singleton. They try to rely on Allar too frequently as well as the other back. Their D will keep them around for a while but they will probably end up letting Allar play too much hero ball.
 

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Penn St. doesn't know how to get the ball to its most talented offensive player in Singleton. They try to rely on Allar too frequently as well as the other back. Their D will keep them around for a while but they will probably end up letting Allar play too much hero ball.

Penn State gets the ball to their most talented guy - Tyler Warren.
 

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The talent gap is no longer there. 2018 Clemson? 2020 Bama? Sure, pretty substantial talent gap. 2024 Texas, Ohio St, Georgia? Not so much, minimal
Still a gap and a little more than minimal but it's closer due to the amount of highend talent that leaves programs they should've never signed with to begin (like Ohio St with six 5* WRs or TAMU with four 5* DL) moreso than us moving the needle with stronger recruiting. Once we recruit a couple of elite guys a cycle that gap becomes minimal and at some point equal, but it requires stringing together 3 legit top 7-8 classes together and not a #7 class followed by a #15 class then a #11 class, then trying to hit the portal for a one year loaners at a few postitions....Not enough
 

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Penn St. doesn't know how to get the ball to its most talented offensive player in Singleton. They try to rely on Allar too frequently as well as the other back. Their D will keep them around for a while but they will probably end up letting Allar play too much hero ball.
Singleton would be fighting for third string at ND. Dude is not good.
 

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Penn State gets the ball to their most talented guy - Tyler Warren.
That's a joke Tyler Warren is nowhere near as talented as Singleton, he's had a pretty good year although thanks in part to 2 huge games but he's certainly not an uber talented player.
 

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ND has had 3 undefeated seasons in the last 12 years. 2012, 2018 and 2020. At the end of those seasons, they 0-4 to Alabama twice and Clemson twice, one being a conference championship game. Had Georgia on the schedule and went 0-2. Had Ohio State and went 0-2. Lost again to Clemson last year. Math is cool and data is fun. But to say things are different is comedy. Will things be different going forward? Maybe… your data and math might be looking into the future and that’s great. But Notre has been that team for the last few decades to win 10-11 games while losing to top tier teams and the occasional wetting of the bed to teams like NIU, Marshall or Stanford. On the field this is pretty much the same results we have seen. This data and math is writing checks they will eventually have to cash. Beating a brand like Alabama in round one would be huge for the program. I like coach Freeman. I like this team. I like where it might be potentially headed…. but let’s actually win a big game. You guys are hilarious trying to be the analytics champs all the time.
Nobody said ND is where any of us want them to be yet—obviously we aren’t, but to say there hasn’t been growth and that we aren’t better than we were during the Kelly era is just asinine and without merit. You’re arguing for the sake of argument at that point.

The eye test and wins against ranked opponents say that Freeman has upgraded the program. The players playing in the games? Upgrade. The depth? Upgrade.
 

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Still a gap and a little more than minimal but it's closer due to the amount of highend talent that leaves programs they should've never signed with to begin (like Ohio St with six 5* WRs or TAMU with four 5* DL) moreso than us moving the needle with stronger recruiting. Once we recruit a couple of elite guys a cycle that gap becomes minimal and at some point equal, but it requires stringing together 3 legit top 7-8 classes together and not a #7 class followed by a #15 class then a #11 class, then trying to hit the portal for a one year loaners at a few postitions....Not enough
Disagree. Enjoy being miserable.
 

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Singleton would be fighting for third string at ND. Dude is not good.
The same Singleton who ran for 1100yds and 12 TDs fresh out of HS??😂😂 He would be splitting carries with Love in this offense right now, Price probably never shows up to campus. He would've excelled in this offense with this OL but hey he wanted to stay home in that anemic offense.
 

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The talent gap is no longer there. 2018 Clemson? 2020 Bama? Sure, pretty substantial talent gap. 2024 Texas, Ohio St, Georgia? Not so much, minimal
I’m not sure how you can say that, we haven’t played any of those teams. Closest team we have played to that in 2024 was an average USC team for USC standards and it took two 100 yard pick 6s to beat them. I would love to come back in a few weeks and plant that flag but you are going off what? More metrics and analysis? Let’s see it.
 

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I’m not sure how you can say that, we haven’t played any of those teams. Closest team we have played to that in 2024 was an average USC team for USC standards and it took two 100 yard pick 6s to beat them. I would love to come back in a few weeks and plant that flag but you are going off what? More metrics and analysis? Let’s see it.
Yes, go look at all advanced metrics. We are a top 2-3 team in the country based off performance. We have never been able to claim that in an era of advanced metrics.
 

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Yes, go look at all advanced metrics. We are a top 2-3 team in the country based off performance. We have never been able to claim that in an era of advanced metrics.
Can’t wait to see advanced metrics flags flown above the stadium…
 

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Michigan will likely fire their coach in a year or two after his teams continue to go 6-6, get in brawls, and barely make bowl games. Good luck!
 

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Go look at 2012, 2018, and 2020 and compare them to 2024. Let me know what you find.
AP Poll
2012 - 4th
2018 - 5th
2020 - 5th
2024 - To be determined. Let’s win 3 more. I’d be happy with even 2. But we haven’t yet and your analytics are meaningless until we do. Let’s say we lose, are you going to claim we “should have” because analytics?
 

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AP Poll
2012 - 4th
2018 - 5th
2020 - 5th
2024 - To be determined. Let’s win 3 more. I’d be happy with even 2. But we haven’t yet and your analytics are meaningless until we do. Let’s say we lose, are you going to claim we “should have” because analytics?
We were so far away from the top 2 or 3 teams based off all advanced analytics those years. This year we are legitimately one of those top 2 or 3 teams. AP poll really means nothing.
 

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We were so far away from the top 2 or 3 teams based off all advanced analytics those years. This year we are legitimately one of those top 2 or 3 teams. AP poll really means nothing.
So when we finish #1 in advanced metrics but still lose to Oregon in the National Championship and we are ranked #2 in the AP do we fly the banner anyway?
 

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We were so far away from the top 2 or 3 teams based off all advanced analytics those years. This year we are legitimately one of those top 2 or 3 teams. AP poll really means nothing.

Yup, every advanced metric says this is our best team in 30 years. Just because the AP ranking may not reflect that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
 

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Yup, every advanced metric says this is our best team in 30 years. Just because the AP ranking may not reflect that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
That’s the difference between paper champions and actual champions. I’m just saying let’s see some results and put this paper to action before we start planting the flag that things have “changed”. Cool, analytically this team is good. Show me on the field not on paper is all I am saying. We finish 4th or worse analytics mean zero compared to previous teams.
 
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