'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

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1. People who still believe that Chicago Catholic school players are layups for Notre Dame.

2. People who still believe that Miami 2024 is Miami 1984.

Not much of a Venn Diagram here.
 

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He's a very good recruiter but this will be the 2nd straight recruiting class where his program's NIL collective allowed them to sign multiple HS recruits that they had no business getting, given their on-field performance.
What does it matter? If he gets a great recruiting class - that is the first step. He obviously needs to do better than 7-5 next year.
 

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He's a very good recruiter but this will be the 2nd straight recruiting class where his program's NIL collective allowed them to sign multiple HS recruits that they had no business getting, given their on-field performance.
That's a fair point, but do you think Miami is the only NIL Collective offering the top player in the country big upfront money to sign with them?
I think it's fair to say Mario is a big part of the reason these impressionable young kids continue to make a puzzling decision to go play in the weakest of the power now four conferences in a pro stadium that only sells out when ND comes to town for a night game.
 

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I understand that you all love to drop the "bag" comments about Miami, and in this instance you're probably right.

But Mario Cristobal is probably the second best recruiter in college football behind Kirby Smart. He demonstrated it at Bama when he was OL coach, he did it Oregon, and he's doing it at Miami. The fact that Miami decided to (finally) start investing in its program is a +1 factor to this, and the Canes will most likely finish with Top 5 classes as long as he's there.
Is it Mario, or is it Bama, Oregon, Miami though?
 

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That's a fair point, but do you think Miami is the only NIL Collective offering the top player in the country big upfront money to sign with them?
I think it's fair to say Mario is a big part of the reason these impressionable young kids continue to make a puzzling decision to go play in the weakest of the power now four conferences in a pro stadium that only sells out when ND comes to town for a night game.

Cristobal - rightfully so - is criticized for certain in-game decisions. (See, Georgia Tech this year). But the guy has a winning pedigree.

Wipe out the FIU years (where, I'd argue, he did very well after taking over a program that went 0-12 the year before his arrival and was effectively dead). He went 35-13 at Oregon, won a Rose Bowl and two Pac-10 championships, and recruited at a level that program never had under Chip Kelly, Mark Helfrich, or Willie Taggert.

He's an outstanding culture guy. If he stays out of his own way, lets his coordinators run the show (which he seems to be doing), and continues to recruit at the level he's capable of, I could easily see him having a Dabo-like career at Miami. The entire school is finally behind the football program (i.e., the profits generated by UMiami's excellent hospital network), and it's a very tough place to lose based on the fertile recruiting grounds surrounding Coral Gables.
 
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Is it Mario, or is it Bama, Oregon, Miami though?

It's Mario.

Bama is an interesting case study, but these results speak for themselves: Mario Cristobal All Time Recruits. Also, while Bama would get South Florida guys before him, he effectively shut it down while he was with the Tide.

As for Oregon and Miami, it's clear that Cristobal was the reason behind their success. In the six years leading up to MC's first full recruiting haul, Oregon signed the #13, #18, #25, #17, #26, and #22 classes, according to Rivals. Cristobal's three full classes at Oregon were ranked 7th, 9th, and 3rd overall.

At Miami, Cristobal currently has a Top 5 class, and signed the #8 class last year. The six classes preceding his arrival were ranked #34, #12, #13, #35, #6 (the class signed during Richt's best season at Miami), and #11.

The guy can recruit.
 

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That's a fair point, but do you think Miami is the only NIL Collective offering the top player in the country big upfront money to sign with them?
I think it's fair to say Mario is a big part of the reason these impressionable young kids continue to make a puzzling decision to go play in the weakest of the power now four conferences in a pro stadium that only sells out when ND comes to town for a night game.
Um its Miami bruh. You get a recruit in Miami you can close him. The weather, environment, beaches, girls all speak for themselves (especially relative to South Bend that is for sure). Let's not be over-romanced by ND's "Choose Hard" mantra because for many recruits being in Miami is amazing.

Also, not sure you know about the FSU v. Miami rivalry. Its actually pretty big in Florida.
 

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Um its Miami bruh. You get a recruit in Miami you can close him. The weather, environment, beaches, girls all speak for themselves (especially relative to South Bend that is for sure). Let's not be over-romanced by ND's "Choose Hard" mantra because for many recruits being in Miami is amazing.

Also, not sure you know about the FSU v. Miami rivalry. Its actually pretty big in Florida.
It was South Beach during the 2010's and they never sniffed classes that Mario is currently getting over the last two seasons.
I just went through the 247 archives to double check, and they were were struggling to consistently have a top 15 class for most of the previous decade.
Obviously, sanctions didn't help them, but its very impressive what Mario and thier NIL have been able to produce with less then stellar performance on the actual field.

Yes, thank you for the reminder that Miami and FSU play every year.
However, anyone who follows college football knows that the second Miami FL stopped playing at the Orange Bowl, and moved thier home games to Miami Gardens 20 miles away from thier campus the atmosphere greatly declined for almost all of thier home games.
 

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That's a fair point, but do you think Miami is the only NIL Collective offering the top player in the country big upfront money to sign with them?
I think it's fair to say Mario is a big part of the reason these impressionable young kids continue to make a puzzling decision to go play in the weakest of the power now four conferences in a pro stadium that only sells out when ND comes to town for a night game.
Not true they also sell out for FSU. Of course half of the stadium is rooting for the visitors but details.
 

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Odd he doesn’t mention anything about the academic side. Oh yeah, he “don’t do no schoolin “
I hated that he said that. However, what was he supposed to do? Take the Eric Swann route and work for $5/hr hoping to get noticed? The only real NFL development programs are connected with Universities and not everybody wants to go nor does every body want to go to study.
 

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I hated that he said that. However, what was he supposed to do? Take the Eric Swann route and work for $5/hr hoping to get noticed? The only real NFL development programs are connected with Universities and not everybody wants to go nor does every body want to go to study.
Outstanding reference. Not on the bingo card.

Honestly, whatever happens here, I'm glad ND isn't in the mix of it. If Scott should be in the Portal ten months from now, who will be the first to post "Should ND reach out."

I'll give my short answer, both now and then: No, they should not.
 

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Outstanding reference. Not on the bingo card.

Honestly, whatever happens here, I'm glad ND isn't in the mix of it. If Scott should be in the Portal ten months from now, who will be the first to post "Should ND reach out."

I'll give my short answer, both now and then: No, they should no

Yeah that's gonna be a no from me as well dawg
 
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