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Old 05-06-2020, 07:43 PM   #1
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The IE Thunderdome (Debate Thread)

Shout out to Lion for the title.

In this thread, we debate sports topics. Typically they will be about ND or CFB in general, but we can talk other leagues too. Be nice, be reasonable, and most of all do not let Koon sneak back to IE and flood this thread with his garbage. Offer your own answers for any topic or debate somebody else's. Just have fun with it.

Our inaugural topic: Who was the right hire in 2014?



My answer: BK spurns BVG and hires then-DL coach Mike Elston to replace Bob Diaco. We all know that BVG was an unmitigated disaster of a hire, but who was a good option? I say Elston, who had consistently coached the strength of the defense, the D line, and was a good recruiter. Now we gotta be realistic in who BK could hire back in 2014. Sure BVG wasn't the only option, but there's no chance they could have pried Venables from Clemson. Another option could have been Ed O, who went 2014 without a job, but I'm not sure that people were very high on him as a DC candidate at the time, heck his next job was as DL coach. Elko wasn't a rising name in 2014 like he was in 2017, so why would he be a realistic option?

So who else do you hire? Fans were sick and tired of Diaco's bend but don't break defense and wanted something more aggressive, which they got with BVG. Elston could have kept a lot of the stuff from Diaco that worked and switched over to a 4-3 or a more multiple defense. Basically my line of thinking is you keep the strong D line play hire another LB coach and boom, you've got a significant upgrade over BVG and possibly an upgrade over Diaco. Keep in mind that once Bob was gone, the insistence upon perfect measurables for recruits goes with him. That would automatically lead to better recruitment, as Elston isn't a lazy bum like Van Gorder.

I actually think that the 2014 DC hire was the most influential moment in BK's career (a topic I'd love to argue another day). With Elston as DC, does the 2014 team collapse like it does? Do they win in Tallahassee? I highly doubt they lose at Stanford in 2015 at least. Heck maybe they'd have even landed a couple highly ranked defenders that they missed on in those classes. The flip side is that without BVG, there's no 2016 "come to Jesus" moment for BK. Is the last 3 years' success only due to the complete disaster of BVG?

What do y'all think? Who do you hire in 2014 instead of BVG?
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I don’t know enough about individual circumstances to say who may have been reasonable candidates, but the following Defensive Coordinators were hired by new teams that offseason:

Justin Wilcox
Mike Elko
Jeremy Pruitt
Pete Kwiatkowski
Chris Ash
Charles Kelly

Those are some good coaches.
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Alex Grinch was still a year from being Wazzu's DC, he'd have been an interesting idea.
Larry Johnson was hired in 2014 by OSU after his long standing gig at PSU as DL coach. Could he have been an option as a DC?
Kerry Coombs was OSU's DB coach still and now their DC. He did coach under BK at Cincy.
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Alex Grinch was still a year from being Wazzu's DC, he'd have been an interesting idea.
Larry Johnson was hired in 2014 by OSU after his long standing gig at PSU as DL coach. Could he have been an option as a DC?
Kerry Coombs was OSU's DB coach still and now their DC. He did coach under BK at Cincy.
I don't know why, but I thought Larry Johnson hates ND for some reason or another. Also unsure if he even wants to be a DC, hell he's been a DL coach since the 90s.

Is there a reason Coombs didn't follow BK to ND?
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I don't know why, but I thought Larry Johnson hates ND for some reason or another. Also unsure if he even wants to be a DC, hell he's been a DL coach since the 90s.

Is there a reason Coombs didn't follow BK to ND?
He still had too much emotional attachment to the Cincy area and local guys on the roster at the time.

The further out he got from his high school coaching days at Colerain, the easier it was for him to make a move. Columbus being *just* two hours up the highway probably made it an easier transition in leaving the Cincy area when he finally decided to do it.
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Above and beyond recent NCAA changes and stipends, should players be paid?

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