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Old 07-19-2019, 03:43 PM   #20651
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Considering that a $15 minimum wage has proven to be a disaster even in extremely wealthy cities, one would have to be a moron -- or simply care only about the optics and being able to say "Republicans hate poor people" -- in order to support nationwide $15 minimum wage.
When it's phased in over seven years (a bit over $1 per hour per yr) and the minimum wage hasn't been raised in over a decade? When it lifts 17 million Americans out of poverty? Those cities have done it in one year, so that's apples to oranges. Hasn't inflation been 2.5% in three of the last four years with the fourth at 2.0%? As one example, one out of five public school teachers have second jobs during the school year. Those are more likely to be minimum wage.

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Old 07-19-2019, 09:05 PM   #20652
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Workplace violence - in government. Rep Oregon lawmakers walked out during the session so a climate change bill could not be voted on. The Gov ordered the State Police to escort them back if they could find them within the state's borders.

Considered a Threat to Others, Oregon Senator Must Give 12 Hours' Notice Before Going to Capitol
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Oregon Sen. Brian Boquist can only report to the Capitol if he provides 12 hours' notice, so that officials can arrange for additional state troopers to ensure the safety of employees and the public.

A legislative committee issued that decision after lengthy deliberations on Monday, in response to Boquist's threats last month against Senate President Peter Courtney, D-Salem, and state troopers.

Boquist, a Dallas Republican, made the statements after Gov. Kate Brown hinted she would consider sending state police to round up Republicans if they walked out of the Capitol to kill a sweeping climate change bill.

In a June 19 floor speech, Boquist told Courtney, "If you send the state police to get me, hell is coming to visit you personally."

Later the same day, Boquist suggested in an interview captured by a KGW television crew that he would shoot and potentially kill any state police sent by the governor and Senate president to bring him back to the Capitol.

"This is what I told the superintendent," Boquist said, referring to OSP Superintendent Travis Hampton. "Send bachelors and come heavily armed. I'm not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It's just that simple."
- Has image of Boquist in elevator accompanied by a State policeman.

Really? It's come to threats to fellow lawmakers and the State Police?

The State legislature had to cancel a meeting because:
Climate Controversy: Militia Threats Shut Down Oregon Statehouse

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A planned meeting for Oregon senators on Saturday was canceled amid threats from militia groups, who authorities said intended to demonstrate outside the capitol building in support of 11 Republican lawmakers, likely hiding out in a different state to avoid a vote on climate-change legislation.

Police in a statement to The Salem Statesman Journal said officers have been "monitoring information throughout Friday that indicated the safety of legislators, staff and citizen visitors could be compromised if certain threatened behaviors were realized."

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Old 07-19-2019, 09:46 PM   #20653
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Old 07-20-2019, 01:08 AM   #20654
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Saw this making the rounds on Facebook. Interesting article from a non-woke millennial:

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“I’m sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my newsfeed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of Democratic candidates calling for policies to “fix” the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around. I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook’s, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we’ve become completely blind to it. Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose. These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don’t give them a second thought. We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty. One. Times. Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful.

Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, “An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity.”

Never saw American prosperity. Let that sink in. When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I’ve ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Now, I’m not attributing Miss Ocasio-Cortez’s words to outright dishonesty. I do think she whole-heartedly believes the words she said to be true. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided. My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let’s just say I didn’t have the popular opinion, but I digress.

Let me lay down some universal truths really quick. The United States of America has lifted more people out of abject poverty, spread more freedom and democracy, and has created more innovation in technology and medicine than any other nation in human history. Not only that but our citizenry continually breaks world records with charitable donations, the rags to riches story is not only possible in America but not uncommon, we have the strongest purchasing power on earth, and we encompass 25% of the world’s GDP. The list goes on. However, these universal truths don’t matter. We are told that income inequality is an existential crisis (even though this is not an indicator of prosperity, some of the poorest countries in the world have low-income inequality), we are told that we are oppressed by capitalism (even though it’s brought about more freedom and wealth to the most people than any other system in world history), we are told that the only way we will acquire the benefits of true prosperity is through socialism and centralization of federal power (even though history has proven time and again this only brings tyranny and suffering).

Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country. People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they’ve never seen prosperity, and as a result, elect politicians dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism. Why? The answer is this, my generation has ONLY seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn’t live in the great depression, or live through two world wars, or see the rise and fall of socialism and communism. We don’t know what it’s like not to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones. We don’t have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it’s spreading like a plague.

With the current political climate giving rise to the misguided idea of a socialist utopia, will we see the light? Or will we have to lose it all to realize that what we have now is true prosperity? Destroying the free market will undo what millions of people have died to achieve.

My generation is becoming the largest voting bloc in the country. We have an opportunity to continue to propel us forward with the gifts capitalism and democracy has given us. The other option is that we can fall into the trap of entitlement and relapse into restrictive socialist destitution. The choice doesn’t seem too hard, does it?” Amen and Amen

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When it's phased in over seven years (a bit over $1 per hour per yr) and the minimum wage hasn't been raised in over a decade? When it lifts 17 million Americans out of poverty? Those cities have done it in one year, so that's apples to oranges. Hasn't inflation been 2.5% in three of the last four years with the fourth at 2.0%? As one example, one out of five public school teachers have second jobs during the school year. Those are more likely to be minimum wage.
$15/hour is $30,000/year full time - work 60 hours a week and you can make $45,000/year at MINIMUM WAGE. Pretty damn good money for a completely unskilled, bottom of the barrel worker. $8/hour gets you $16k/year working full time, $24k/year working 60 hours per week. Two income household easy to earn over $32,000 year which is $6k over the national poverty line for a family of four ($25,750). MINIMUM wage is already something that carries you out of poverty - this is just raw lunacy.

Not even getting in to the cost of living difference between Smallville, KS and LA or Chicago. It is crushing to small business in rural America to push something like this out. Let the states handle it - perfect policy to leave to the states as "laboratories of Democracy". Let California, New York and Seattle hamstring themselves and discover the hard way while anyone with half a brain can laugh at the completely predictable failure.
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$15/hour is $30,000/year full time - work 60 hours a week and you can make $45,000/year at MINIMUM WAGE. Pretty damn good money for a completely unskilled, bottom of the barrel worker. $8/hour gets you $16k/year working full time, $24k/year working 60 hours per week. Two income household easy to earn over $32,000 year which is $6k over the national poverty line for a family of four ($25,750). MINIMUM wage is already something that carries you out of poverty - this is just raw lunacy.

Not even getting in to the cost of living difference between Smallville, KS and LA or Chicago. It is crushing to small business in rural America to push something like this out. Let the states handle it - perfect policy to leave to the states as "laboratories of Democracy". Let California, New York and Seattle hamstring themselves and discover the hard way while anyone with half a brain can laugh at the completely predictable failure.
Its completely idiotic. A gas station clerk in Wishek ND doesn't need $15/hr.

Federal minimum wage should be dictated by the lowest expense areas rather than the highest. If cities/states want to take further action, I'm fine with that. They have a better idea of what is needed than the Feds do. Really difficult to make one wage for the entire country.

I looked at a cost of living calculator for Bismarck, ND compared to NYC. The difference was 150%. So why would you burden a businessman in Bismarck to pay his employees at minimum wage the same as a businessman in Manhattan?
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The minimum wage should rise every year with annualized CPI numbers provided by a non-partisan legislative services agency.

Or let the states do it.

I like those ideas.
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