[NFL] vBook: Super Bowl LIII: Los Angeles Rams vs New England Patriots

[tko]

Originally Posted by NDdomer2

They haven't been settled because I haven't settled them

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[Blazers46]

Originally Posted by NDRock

It’s definitely an interesting argument regarding BB vs. Brady. Belichick has a fairly poor record in games not involving Brady. The 11-5 season without Brady was 5 games worse than the year before and they also missed the playoffs that year. Of course, Brady has been helped by the defenses Belichick has put together. Neither would have had the success they have had without the other. Football is too much of a team sport.

As far as Brady vs. Manning. If Peyton didn’t take the maximum amount of money every year there would have been millions left to pick up some extra defensive players. One thing I’ve always respected about Brady, he’s taken less money every year to help his team win. Sure, it helps that his wife is loaded but Peyton made plenty whoring himself out to anyone who would throw money his way. Although, many of his commercials were really funny.

I would almost take Peyton over Brady. Peytons achilles heal was always the Patriots top10 defense. If the Colts had a top 10 def 14 of 17 years like Brady Peyton Manning would easily have just as many Super Bowls in my opinion.

[Irish YJ]

Originally Posted by Blazers46

I would almost take Peyton over Brady. Peytons achilles heal was always the Patriots top10 defense. If the Colts had a top 10 def 14 of 17 years like Brady Peyton Manning would easily have just as many Super Bowls in my opinion.

Without Belicheat, I'd take a healthy Manning over Brady every day. Put Manning on the Pats with Bellicheat and boom.

[NDdomer2]

settled if you believe any are wrong let me know

[NDRock]

Originally Posted by Blazers46

I would almost take Peyton over Brady. Peytons achilles heal was always the Patriots top10 defense. If the Colts had a top 10 def 14 of 17 years like Brady Peyton Manning would easily have just as many Super Bowls in my opinion.

He only lost twice to the Patriots in the playoffs (2003, 2004). His problem was the other years when he lost home playoff games to Tennessee, Pittsburgh, San Diego, NY Jets, Baltimore, and Indy.

Peyton was obviously great (top 5 for me) but I recall too many big games, going back to college, where he struggled. That's the problem though with making your team QB centric and giving him all the offensive weapons. Great in the regular season but tough to win in the playoffs like that. Chiefs found that out again this year.

[Me2SouthBend]

Originally Posted by NDRock

He only lost twice to the Patriots in the playoffs (2003, 2004). His problem was the other years when he lost home playoff games to Tennessee, Pittsburgh, San Diego, NY Jets, Baltimore, and Indy.

Peyton was obviously great (top 5 for me) but I recall too many big games, going back to college, where he struggled. That's the problem though with making your team QB centric and giving him all the offensive weapons. Great in the regular season but tough to win in the playoffs like that. Chiefs found that out again this year.

This. And how many times did they lose in the playoffs at home as the #1 seed? If the Colts decided to spend their $ on offense instead of Defense, that's their prerogative.

The argument that Brady has won only because of NE's D is laughable. Beyond his performance against the Eagles last year, go check his performances against the top ranked Seattle Legion of Boom #1 rated Defense (particularly in the 4th 1/4) 3 yrs. ago and his performance against The Falcons the following yr. How good was that Pats D allowing them to fall behind 28-3, requiring Brady to engineer the comeback?

Has Brady benefited from playing under Belichick? Absolutely. Did Joe benefit from playing under Walsh? You bet your ass. As did Peyton from playing under Dungy.