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Old 11-08-2019, 09:41 PM   #1275
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Over two hundred casings were from .223 caliber rounds produced by Remington that are the caliber bullets used in M-16 and AR-15 rifles were found at the scene of the massacre of those Mormon mothers and children, a couple of articles on gun smuggling of American weapons into Mexico, which are usually bought at gun shows or through private sales.

Mexicans are killing each other at record rates. The U.S. provides the guns (LA Times, Oct 6, 2019)

Arming the Cartels: The Inside Story of a Texas Gun-Smuggling Ring
Selling weapons south of the border is big business — and America’s loose gun laws are also devastating for Mexico
(Rolling Stone)
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:50 PM   #1276
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Over two hundred casings were from .223 caliber rounds produced by Remington that are the caliber bullets used in M-16 and AR-15 rifles were found at the scene of the massacre of those Mormon mothers and children, a couple of articles on gun smuggling of American weapons into Mexico, which are usually bought at gun shows or through private sales.

Mexicans are killing each other at record rates. The U.S. provides the guns (LA Times, Oct 6, 2019)

Arming the Cartels: The Inside Story of a Texas Gun-Smuggling Ring
Selling weapons south of the border is big business — and America’s loose gun laws are also devastating for Mexico
(Rolling Stone)

Read the first one, and it's misleading... 70% recovered are US??? Only 30% of the weapons that are recovered are attempted to be traced, and those are picked out by the MX military as weapons likely to be from the US. 70% of that 30%, or 21% factually are from the US.

What the article also fails to address or be clear about, is how weapons are getting to MX. The overwhelming majority of weapons are legally purchased and then smuggled across by the cartel via illegals here in the US. The latest trend is that the cartel approaches women to buy the arms from any old gun store, paying them peanuts, and then taking them across on foot. It's really easy to go South.

The article also fails to address that a lot of guns come from CAm and SAm, particularly Guatemala, but also originate from Europe and other places. Almost all the grenade launchers and big stuff come from Guatemala. There are a ton of Russian made that come in from LA, that are never attempted at a trace because they know they're not from the US.... There's a ton of legal sales/transfers too into MX and LAm that end up in the wrong hands. The US accounted for less than a 1/3 of those transfers. Of those sending weapsons..... Belgium, Czech Republic, Germany, Israel, Italy, Russia, South Africa, and Spain make up the other 2/3+.

It's pretty rich most on the left won't allow a wall to be built that would slow the flow of smuggling people, drugs, and arms both ways..... But true to form, would rather blame the US for Mexican violence. Anyone knows as long as there is demand, people will find a way.... Do something about the demand and stop searching for ways to attack the US and 2nd amendment.
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"appearred"??? Despite the photos of two black people.

Rashida Tlaib wrongly claims ‘white supremacy’ behind Jersey City slaughter
By Tamar LapinDecember 12, 2019


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Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib appeared to blame the Jersey City shooting on “white supremacy” Thursday — even though the attackers have been identified as members of an extremist “anti-white and anti-Semitic” movement.

The Democratic congresswoman retweeted a photo of one of the victims of Tuesday’s shooting, 24-year-old Moshe Deutsch, an Orthodox Jew, with the caption: “This is heartbreaking. White Supremacy Kills.”

Twitter users were quick to call out Tlaib.
“Um, @RashidaTlaib the shooters were black…,” wrote conservative political consultant @CalebJHull.
Shooters David Anderson and Francine Graham were followers of the Black Hebrew Israelites, a fringe religious movement, not affiliated with mainstream Judaism, that’s been labeled a hate group by experts who track extremists in the US.

The tweet, which was posted to her personal account, had been deleted by Thursday afternoon.


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Officer, 3 Civilians and 2 Suspects Dead in Jersey City Shootout
The shooting began after an officer approached a van believed to be linked to a murder; the suspects shot the cop and took off, then killed three others after holing up inside a store

By Jonathan Dienst, Brian Thompson, Adam Kuperstein, Ray Villeda and Jennifer Millman NBCNewYork Published December 10, 2019 • Updated at 2:24 pm on December 12, 2019

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A police officer and three civilians were killed during a shootout in Jersey City which also left the two suspects dead, law enforcement officials said.

According to senior law enforcement officials, the Tuesday afternoon shootout began when a detective saw a U-Haul truck possibly linked to the murder of a livery driver over the weekend in Bayonne. As the officer approached, a suspect got out of the van to shoot the officer before taking off.

That officer, later identified as Det. Joseph Seals, died from his injuries. The preliminary investigation suggests the 39-year-old father of five was killed "while trying to interdict the bad guys" at a cemetery on Garfield Avenue, said Jersey City Police Chief Michael Kelly.

Seals had been a police officer for more than 15 years, and was with the Jersey City Police Department since 2006, officials said at a press conference Tuesday evening outside Jersey City Medical Center. He was a detective with the Cease Fire Unit, Kelly said.

Kelly said Seals was the department's leading police officer in removing guns from Jersey City streets.

After shooting the officer, the suspects — a man and a woman, according to law enforcement sources — fled and drove their U-Haul truck to the Jersey City Kosher Supermarket on Martin Luther King Drive, where the standoff started around 12:30 p.m., a senior law enforcement official said.

Law enforcement sources told NBC New York surveillance video shows the duo shoot a Hasidic man on the street and then run into the store, where they began firing at the victims inside. The suspects were armed with long guns and plenty of ammo, and had a bomb-making materials inside the truck, officials said.

"Our officers were under fire for hours," Kelly said, adding: "Two more police officers were hit by gunfire. One sustained an injury to the shoulder, one sustained another injury to the body. Those officers have since been released from the hospital."

A fusillade of at least 100 bullets were fired during the exchange between the suspects and police.

In addition to the officers injured outside the store, three other civilians inside were killed as the suspects saw heavily armed police vehicles approaching. Two of the victims were customers at the store and the third was working as a cashier, according to a representative of the community.

Another civilian was injured but is expected to survive, officials said.

Citing the preliminary investigation, Kelly said authorities believe the civilians killed inside the store were killed by the "bad guys." The suspects have not yet been identified, but one was a 48-year-old man, law enforcement sources said.

Law enforcement officials initially believed the incident was not terror- or hate-related, despite it occurring in a Jewish neighborhood. However, Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop tweeted later in the night that the "the active shooters targeted the location they attacked." He added that there are no further threats, but the community "may see additional police resources" in the coming days and weeks.

The shootout was still being treated as a criminal act, law enforcement officials said.

It was not immediately known why or how the U-Haul truck that Det. Seals approached was linked to the death of livery driver Michael Rumberger.

Tight security was evident at Jersey City Medical Center, where police responded en masse as local law enforcement groups sought prayers on behalf of their colleagues.

Heavily armed local and state officers in SWAT trucks swarmed the scene, ducking behind doorways and store entrances -- some even crawling along sidewalks, closely pressed to the ground -- as they zeroed in on the store. Seemingly dozens of gunshots continued to ring out throughout the afternoon, based on audio from the scene.

The streets in the immediate area were closed off entirely, totally empty of what would normally be heavy pedestrian and vehicular traffic.

According to Kelly, citing the preliminary investigation, it will take weeks for authorities to finish the probe due to the extensive crime scene, which includes at least three different locations.

The other two locations that most be combed through for evidence is the grocery store itself and the cemetery, Kelly said.

Federal ATF and FBI agents in Newark confirmed they responded to the scene to assist as needed, as was the NYPD's Special Ops team. About a dozen schools in the vicinity were locked down initially. By 2 p.m., the lockdown order extended to every public school in the entire city, the district's superintendent said.

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Old 12-30-2019, 01:04 PM   #1278
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Red flag laws have overwhelming national support Such laws ant the risk protection orders have been enacted in California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Washington, D.C.

A recent poll shows this is a bipartisan issue, but a minority still fights these.

Eighty-nine percent of respondents strongly or somewhat favored Congress “pass[ing] a red flag law that lets family members or law enforcement ask a court to temporarily suspend a person’s access to guns when there are clear warning signs they pose a danger to themselves or others.”
That support included:
• 93% of Democrats, 85% of Independents, and 86% of Republicans;
• 84% of gun-owning households;
• 86% of respondents who voted for President Trump in 2016; and
• 95% of self-identified liberals, 91% of self-identified moderates, and 85% of self-identified conservatives.
• What’s more, no region -- northeast, south, midwest, or west -- or type of area -- urban, suburban, or small town/rural -- saw less than 88% support for Congress passing a Red Flag law.

In 2019, red-flag bills were also being considered in Ohio (Dayton), Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, Nebraska, and Kentucky. Sixty-two percent of gun deaths are suicides.

Only a couple of studies done to determine the effectiveness of red flag laws:
- A 2016 study published in the journal Law and Contemporary Problems analyzed data from the 762 gun removals under Connecticut's "risk warrant" law from October 1999 through June 2013 and determined that there was "one averted suicide for every ten to eleven gun seizure cases."
- The journal Psychiatric Services utilized CDC data from all suicides in all 50 states from 1981-2015 to "examine the effects of Connecticut and Indiana's risk-based firearm seizure law on state-level firearm suicide rates." The researchers concluded that "Indiana’s firearm seizure law was associated with a 7.5% reduction in firearm suicides in the ten years following its enactment, an effect specific to suicides with firearms and larger than that seen in any comparison state by chance alone. Enactment of Connecticut's law was associated with a 1.6% reduction in firearm suicides immediately after its passage and a 13.7% reduction in firearm suicides in the post–Virginia Tech period, when enforcement of the law substantially increased."

A media analysis for two counties in Florida analyzed the date from the red flag law act after the Parkland massacre of children.

The results of the study of the risk protection orders deemed legal and appropriate by a judge:

- In some cases, risk protection order subjects were threatening mass killings like the Parkland shooting that led to the law’s creation, according to law enforcement narratives describing the cases.
- More often they were threatening to kill themselves. In at least 37 of the 66 cases, the subject of the risk protection order had threatened or attempted suicide.
- In at least 12 of the 66 cases – or more than 1 in 6 – the risk protection order subjects were already barred from owning and buying guns because they were minors, felons or were under a restraining order.

- Southwest Florida law enforcement has used the new law to take guns away from dozens of people who have been deemed potentially dangerous, including students who threatened to gun down classmates and people who threatened to kill family members, neighbors and co-workers, according to law enforcement narratives describing the cases.
- More than half of the 66 cases were for people who had been detained under the Baker Act, which allows people in crisis to be held for up to three days for a mental health evaluation. If they are still a danger after three days and then committed to a mental health facility, they lose their gun rights.

So, red flag laws when a family member or other reports a gun owner is threatening his or another's life not only helps law enforcement identify and intervene early, but also picks up those who are mentally ill and those who not legally allowed to possess a gun. That's a few of the reasons 84% of gun-owning households and 86% of respondents who voted for President Trump in 2016 support red flag laws and the risk protection orders.

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Has anyone seen the armed guard take down the murderer at the recent church shooting? Holy crap! It’s tragic that lives were lost, but that gentleman saved countless more with his sidearm.
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Has anyone seen the armed guard take down the murderer at the recent church shooting? Holy crap! It’s tragic that lives were lost, but that gentleman saved countless more with his sidearm.
Domed the dude on his first shot. What a savage.

Now Legacy and the gang will be very puzzled about how to approach this.
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I have absolutely no problem with a state, which has high incidence of mass shootings and refuse to institute red flag laws, permitting their citizens arm themselves for their protection. Or am I running up against a stereotype held by the Righteous? That's what Jesus and the Catholic Church teach.

Salt Lake County’s mayor forces background checks on private gun show sales (Salt Lake Tribune)

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Anyone who attempts to buy a firearm at a gun show held in Salt Lake County’s Mountain America Expo Center will be required to undergo a federal background check starting next month.

Salt Lake County Mayor Jenny Wilson says her effort to close what’s commonly known as the gun show “loophole” is a common-sense response to concerns about gun violence throughout the country. Before this switch, sales between two private parties didn’t require a background check.

“I support the rights of lawful gun owners, but the risk of a private transaction resulting in the sale of a firearm to someone with a violent criminal record or history of domestic abuse is a risk we cannot accept in Salt Lake County,” she said at a news conference announcing the policy change Monday. “We can all agree that responsible gun ownership should include responsible buying and selling as well.”
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The new rule will affect two companies that each put on about four gun shows a year in the expo center, according to Dan Hayes, general manager of SMG. Under the arrangement, the contractor will hire a federally licensed dealer to conduct the background checks for private sales.
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Past opinion polls have shown wide support among Utahns for background checks. A January 2016 UtahPolicy.com survey found 76% of Utahns were in favor of legislation expanding background checks on gun sales to purchases made over the internet or at gun shows.
Salt Lake Tribune-Hinckley Institute of Politics poll showed 68 percent of those surveyed saying they were fully or somewhat behind a red flag law and 26 percent opposed. Another study shows suicides accounted for 85 percent of the state’s firearm deaths from 2006 to 2015.

Of course, those gun buyers and sellers can step outside the city-owned SMG to avoid a federal background check for their purchases in spite of the over three-fourths of their state's citizens in favor of closing this loophole.

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