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Old 06-29-2020, 10:28 AM   #29
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Perhaps. Perhaps not.

The CIA has a policy of pragmatics that any intel is worthless unless it provides ACTIONABLE information. What's needed here is not just theory, even REASONABLE theory, but some form of do-able action which allows that speculation to reach credible limits having useful ends.

For me, sitting here in a retirement community, wherein lockdown has been only a mild irritation, I am comforted by the fact that the infections (no matter who is vulnerable or at what percentages) are not being allowed in through the doors. What if I'm immune? Well that would be very nice, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT. I.E. the intelligence, in my mind isn't actionable. If I am immune, can I go to the grocery store, pick up the virus from other shoppers, bring it back to the community, and "pass it on" as a special life-ending present from me? Maybe. Who knows? The intel isn't actionable --- not yet ... and I at least will sacrifice some things so as not to kill any of my friends, or my neighbors.

I'll admit that our country has an embedded "Go for it, and Let the Devil take the Hindmost" attitude, which it effects all the time, but is still slightly embarrassed to admit it. I'd rather not participate in that.
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Old 06-29-2020, 11:22 AM   #30
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Perhaps. Perhaps not.

The CIA has a policy of pragmatics that any intel is worthless unless it provides ACTIONABLE information. What's needed here is not just theory, even REASONABLE theory, but some form of do-able action which allows that speculation to reach credible limits having useful ends.

For me, sitting here in a retirement community, wherein lockdown has been only a mild irritation, I am comforted by the fact that the infections (no matter who is vulnerable or at what percentages) are not being allowed in through the doors. What if I'm immune? Well that would be very nice, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT. I.E. the intelligence, in my mind isn't actionable. If I am immune, can I go to the grocery store, pick up the virus from other shoppers, bring it back to the community, and "pass it on" as a special life-ending present from me? Maybe. Who knows? The intel isn't actionable --- not yet ... and I at least will sacrifice some things so as not to kill any of my friends, or my neighbors.

I'll admit that our country has an embedded "Go for it, and Let the Devil take the Hindmost" attitude, which it effects all the time, but is still slightly embarrassed to admit it. I'd rather not participate in that.
Right. As you said, it’s just a reasonable theory which beats the heck out of one side taking statistics & science, quite frankly; and bending it to their political leanings while the opposite side does the same exact thing. What neither side wants to admit is it’s not the science...it’s the “scientists” or statisticians or political consultants who are interpreting said science. I roll my eyes every time some pseudo-intellectual claims that if one doesn’t agree w/ them they are anti-science and then you find a topic in their timeline where they too go against the “science” based on their politics. Again, this is BOTH sides and whether it’s climate change, abortion, or COVID-19; it’s not the science that is in question...it’s the interpretation of the science or the fact that there’s only ONE way to deal w/ that science (i.e., climate change) or the other person is simply “anti-science”.

I have become more & more convinced that if social media had taken a six-month hiatus during this pandemic, that America would be less divided on how to react and there would be a greater consensus. Instead....like everything.....emotions rule the day so one side is “evil” and the other side is “sanctimoniously correct” w/ zero room for debate or even nuance.
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