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Old 12-04-2019, 02:28 PM   #20854
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Here's a brief blog post by David Myers titled "Should Social Conservatives Be Economic Progressives?":
The mention of Tucker Carlson's blog piece from about a year ago is worth the read too.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...ts-infuriating
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Old 12-04-2019, 02:37 PM   #20855
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Secular economic progressivism necessarily ends in eugenics, full stop. It's the only logical end.
It's the "secular" part of that leads to eugenics, not economic Progressivism per se. A big part of the reason that social conservatives have done nothing but lose ground over the last several decades is because they're in a coalition with economic libertarians who scream "socialism!" every time someone proposes using the state to advance a concrete agenda (never mind that something, usually unaccountable corporations, is always rushing to fill that gap regardless).

Social conservatives have to get comfortable with fighting to win and actually ruling once in power, because their enemies have no illusions on either of those fronts. And as it relates to this blog post, that means being willing to pay for policies that support stable family formation.
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Old 12-04-2019, 03:41 PM   #20856
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It's the "secular" part of that leads to eugenics, not economic Progressivism per se.
Come on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathol...al_abuse_cases

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A big part of the reason that social conservatives have done nothing but lose ground over the last several decades is because they're in a coalition with economic libertarians who scream "socialism!" every time someone proposes using the state to advance a concrete agenda (never mind that something, usually unaccountable corporations, is always rushing to fill that gap regardless).
The issue is not "policy A is socialism and socialism is bad, therefore policy A is bad." The issue is "the feds couldn't implement policy A if their lives depended on it because they suck at everything besides killing people, which they're experts at."

I've said it before, but the issue with integralism is a pragmatic one. I have no a priori issues with the idea of a benevolent king, but I have a pragmatic objection based on the observation that a benevolent kind has never and will never exist because it's contrary to human nature.

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On the "free college for everyone business" : I've mentioned several times here that Kalamazoo got it right with its Kalamazoo Promise. The Promise says that any student graduating from KPS school system can count on free tuition wherever they go, BUT THEY MUST BE ABLE TO GET ACCEPTED. Once they flunk, the assistance stops.

This is not free college for everyone. This is giving everyone a chance to go to college even if they cannot pay the tuition. If they blow it, either in HS or afterwards in college, too bad for them.

The "forgiveness" of student debt is an entirely different issue, and should be addressed accordingly without confusing two almost opposed things. If we all did "The Kalamazoo/USA Promise" there would be no student debt to forgive, but there still would be lazy bums or otherwise incompetents who did not earn college degrees, and didn't last long or even get admitted.

Kalamazoo Promise simply gives everyone a full chance to grab the college opportunity --- but limited by their own effort in pursuit of such opportunity.

People arguing that some disgraceful "colleges" would lower standards to just get the free bucks along with a bunch of dolts and bums, are partly correct to worry but mostly not. Established colleges and universities whom the academic establishment recognizes as organizations whose degrees actually MEAN something, will not, and really CAN not, suddenly expand their campuses and faculties to handle a bunch of possibly marginal students. Only students passing their entry requirements will get in anyway.

So-called "distant-learning" pseudo-colleges would be the problem to watch, as they could conceivably expand without limits. Some method of serious standards checking by a national academic organization would be needed to allow such, or any, institutions to participate in a Kalamazoo/USA Promise.

There are always jerks who will slip through the cracks --- I saw them regularly at WMU --- they did not pass my classes. The number of prospective students from poor families who would succeed because of this, however, would dwarf the screwasses, and would be well worth the minor waste in the system.

By the way, ALL Big Systems, industrial, business, agricultural, you-name-it, have a percentage of "waste." That's the way BIG goes. We all accept that amount of "waste" to get the products that we want. I've always felt that people objecting to "people programs" just because they have flaws and some waste have some other personal hang-up as to why they single this sort of thing out. Chemical pollution, rotting garbage, white-collar crimes, somehow all of that waste is tolerable. But PEOPLE --- oh, no. They're bad.
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