PJ Fleck

[NorthDakota]

Originally Posted by stlnd01

Wisconsin is probably the fourth best job - and third-best program - in the Big Ten. Minnesota is, what, 8th or 9th at best? (As a job I’d put it ahead of Rutgers, Northwestern, maybe Purdue or Illinois).

Yeah Wisconsin is a better job. Whether it’s better enough to tempt Fleck is an interesting question.

Minnesota is better than Indiana and Maryland as well I would think.

Minnesota actually should be a pretty good program. Big school. Only game in the state, no big fish nearby, Minneapolis churns out some very good football players too. Could cherry pick the occasional players from the Dakotas and Winnipeg.

For whatever reason they are inept most of the time.

[Wild Bill]

Originally Posted by NorthDakota

My people in Lincoln tell me that Frost is going to be given time. They genuinely believe if he can't get them to be relevant again, no one can. Scott Frost is going nowhere.

I'm somewhat surprised Frost hasn't had more success than he has in his first two years but I think he'll be fine at Nebraska, especially if Lincoln Riley leaves for the NFL. They're not rivals on the field but Oklahoma taking a step back will help with recruiting in that region. The BIG west is less than spectacular which helps too.

[stlnd01]

Originally Posted by NorthDakota

Minnesota is better than Indiana and Maryland as well I would think.

Minnesota actually should be a pretty good program. Big school. Only game in the state, no big fish nearby, Minneapolis churns out some very good football players too. Could cherry pick the occasional players from the Dakotas and Winnipeg.

For whatever reason they are inept most of the time.

Their new on-campus stadium certainly helps. But they’re competing for eyeballs in a pro sports town (the smallest market with all four major pro sports, btw). Recruiting turf is just OK (I haven’t quantified but I’d bet more top recruits come out of Maryland/DC, for instance). Weather’s got be a challenge for recruiting kids from elsewhere.

I dunno, one could debate a bunch of programs in the bottom half of the Big Ten, but the fact Minnesota has really never emerged from that morass is telling.

Wisconsin, OTOH, has a history of winning, owns a sizable state, closer to Chicago for recruiting purposes, etc.

[NDRock]

Originally Posted by stlnd01

Their new on-campus stadium certainly helps. But they’re competing for eyeballs in a pro sports town (the smallest market with all four major pro sports, btw). Recruiting turf is just OK (I haven’t quantified but I’d bet more top recruits come out of Maryland/DC, for instance). Weather’s got be a challenge for recruiting kids from elsewhere.

I dunno, one could debate a bunch of programs in the bottom half of the Big Ten, but the fact Minnesota has really never emerged from that morass is telling.

Wisconsin, OTOH, has a history of winning, owns a sizable state, closer to Chicago for recruiting purposes, etc.

I think Wisconsin (Barry Alverez) has also done a great job of creating an identity. They recruit and play to a certain style and I think it has really helped them stay consistent, regardless of the coach.

Look at ND. Offensively we went from an option attack, to a west coast offense, to a pro style, to a spread. Our defense has been all over the place (4-3, 3-4) with total opposite philosophies. Corwin Brown, Tenuta, Diaco, BVG, Elko/Lea. It's a big reason why we've been so inconsistent. Well, that and hiring idiots.

[IrishSteelhead]

Originally Posted by koonja

FWIW, The Athletic listed 14 teams that can win a NC in modern CFB. Neither Minnesota or Wisconsin are on there (ND isn't either, btw).

I want to play, lemme know how many out of my 14 were wrong:


Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
LSU
Oklahoma
Georgia
Penn State
Michigan
Florida
Florida State
USC
Texas
Auburn

Oregon?




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[stlnd01]

Originally Posted by IrishSteelhead

I want to play, lemme know how many out of my 14 were wrong:


Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
LSU
Oklahoma
Georgia
Penn State
Michigan
Florida
Florida State
USC
Texas
Auburn

Oregon?




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He had Miami, not Oregon. But otherwise yeah.

ND, Washington and Oregon were the three he most considered adding but didn’t. I think he said Michigan was the last team to make the cut.

[ThePiombino]

Originally Posted by stlnd01

He had Miami, not Oregon. But otherwise yeah.



ND, Washington and Oregon were the three he most considered adding but didn’t. I think he said Michigan was the last team to make the cut.

Michigan can't even win its own [s]conference[/s] division let alone get into the CFP.

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