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Old 12-03-2019, 09:30 AM   #1
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Is this an underrated class?

Early signing period approaches. Currently #12 in the country, more likely to move down than up. Seems incongruent with "top 10" classes ND signed in 2017 and 2018.

Two five star players (Johnson, Tyree). Seven four star players.

Of the four star players, I think you can easily make the case for some (like Jordan Bothelo) being underrated and some (like Drew Pyne) being overrated so it's a wash.

The 3-star players are what's crazy to me. Xavier Watts would be a 95+ rating guy if he played in California and not Nebraska. Jay Brunelle being an 86 rating is purely absurd. He should, at minimum, be a low 4-star at either DB or WR.

It seems like the main thing driving down the ratings is the size of the class -- 17 total commits. That's only about two-thirds full relative to the 25 cap. Georgia and Texas have higher ranked classes with similar numbers of commits. Everyone else in the top 10 is in the 20+ category.

Overall, what do you think? And are classes like this "good enough" to get Notre Dame over the hump?
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Average star rating of 90.85 on 247 is currently the 3rd highest of Kelly's tenure. When you take into account the attrition in the 2012 class, this is probably Kelly's second best class as it currently stands.


2013 (92.3): High 4/5 stars Max Redfield, Steve Elmer, and Greg Bryant (RIP) didn't pan out

2012 (91.21): Lost Gunner Kiel, Davonte Neal, Will Mahome, and Justin Ferguson to transfer
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No it isn't good enough to get over the hump unless Buchner is as legit as his film appears. That is the wild card.
See: https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...-over-4-years/

The only teams to win a national championship in the past 15 years without top 8 average recruiting rank were 2010 Auburn (Cam Newton) and 2016 Clemson (Deshaun Watson).

It can be done if the QB trotting should already be in the NFL. So, it all comes down to Buchner.
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Other than Clemson and their six 5 star recruits, I wouldn't trade our class for anyone else's.

I love this class from top to bottom and think it perfectly compliments what the staff brought in during the 2018 and 2019 classes.

And, dare I say it, the 2021 class is looking to shape up as the best this century.
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I tend to not look at the team rankings but look at the average points ranking as we will most years always be short in the team rankings with not taking classes like the other ones do. We are currently 9th in average points at 90.85. I think that's a bit too low. I think we have a class that should be at least in the 91 point range which would put us a couple of spots higher.

Looking at the actual guys on our team- it seems that all of the offensive skill position guys could, in theory, come in and play right away. JJ, Watts, and Brunelle are the three most athletic receivers I've ever seen come in together in one class. The only position I'm iffy on that we are bringing in for this class is QB. I'm very excited about the DL class and I think Elston once again hit it out of the park. I think the DB's are severely underrated with Bartleson and Lewis both able to grow into good starters for us down the road. They have the athleticism but need the coaching to grow.
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Yes, just like every other class.

Then in a year or two the consensus at ISD and here will be "Well, Tyree wasn't a REAL 5 star, and Botelho just isn't good enough to get it done on his own, and there isn't a Quenton Nelson in the class either. You gotta get those guys every year!"

I love ISD, but when I heard Mike Frank said that in a couple podcasts in 2015 and 2016, I had to facepalm. As if there even is a top 10 draft pick to be had at guard every year...

I'm with you on Watts being underrated, and I think people may be sleeping on Rylie Mills. Dude was high on Elston's board from the get-go and could be big time trouble in the interior rotation for years.
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Question 1- When do the Final rankings come out for this class? If so do any of them have an opportunity to move up?

Question 2- Can't this relate to all teams though?

Right now on 24/7 We are the 12th rank right now. We have a better average per player so if you go by that we are the 9th. Not sure if that changes with any players leaving A&M, Bama, Texas or Florida or Auburn gaining players.

I have been reading the boards a 247 and it doesn't look right now we have any serious new players to add.
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