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Old 11-08-2018, 03:38 PM   #393
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I used to be an ignorant American who believed cops/DA's were always right/honest and the accused were almost always guilty.

...and then I caught the other side of it first hand in a case that has been going on for longer that the Teresa Halbach murder. Investigators lied about attempting to interview me because they were afraid I might not say what fit into their narrative. In that case, just like the Halbach case, the amount of evidence that's not disclosed or falsified is sickening. The amount of conflicts of interest in both cases are sickening. The inability of our legal system to admit these wrong doings while hiding behind precedents and bs arguments about legal technicalities of who should hear it instead of retrying it as soon as ANY level of the court system thinks it's warranted, is sickening.

In the end, our government has convinced the mob in the courthouse square that their safety is more important than their freedom. That's the most sickening thing of all.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:33 PM   #394
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Bobby's story, coupled with his internet browsing history, makes him the most plausible person.

A couple of things not being discussed currently in this thread that we should chew on:
- Steven Avery had a $36 million civil suit pending against the County at the time he was picked up for Halbach's murder.
- The County Coroner (who is the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the event of a murder investigation), was not permitted on the scene and she was intimidated multiple times by law enforcement into dropping it.
- Sgt. Colburn of the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Office was not supposed to be involved in the investigation because of a conflict of interest. He had been previously questioned in regard to Avery's civil case against the County. After he re-searched Avery's house, the RAV4 key was found.

Regardless of whether the documentary was one-sided or not, these are facts which clearly show motive and opportunity to frame Avery. And intimidating Dassey was the final straw into a conviction.

Don't get me started on Dassey's sham trial. How in the hell do you convict someone on a confession alone? That was such a gross miscarriage of justice....
There is also the issue of the claim that a .22 bullet entered and exited someone’s skull. Any redneck worth a damn can tell you that the chances of that happening are slim to none.

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Old 11-15-2018, 05:05 PM   #395
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Kathleen Zellner dropping a lot of info today over Twitter:

https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw?ref_s...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

*Halbach's vehicle battery was replaced with a wrong-sized battery. It was replaced with a Crown Victoria battery. She's traced the owner of this replacement battery.

*3 witnesses saw the Halbach vehicle parked near a dam from 10/31 through 11/5.

*3 witnesses who claim the Halbach vehicle left ASY at 3:45 on 10/31. She has a claim about Halbach leaving, being intercepted down the road, brought back to ASY, then dumping the car later.

*Believes Halbach was disposed at the smelter where Scott T. worked. Cites talking to witnesses. Also (seems) to claim she was burned at first near ASY in burn barrels.

*Has a witness who said Scott T. was at the ASY at Noon on 10/31 when he claimed to be in Green Bay visiting his mother in the hospital.

*More general stuff about bones/blood/electronics being planted against Steven.

Apparently, they have or are in the process of testing the Dassey garage. He claims to have gutted a deer on 10/31, it'll be interesting to see if anything is found.
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:21 PM   #396
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I agree with everyone. He's very guilty
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I ended up watching season 2. I have two episodes left. I'm blown away at the amount of evidence/violations Zellner's team has presented. How both Steven and Brendan are still in prison is beyond any injustice I've known about in my short 35-year-old life. This is insane.
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I ended up watching season 2. I have two episodes left. I'm blown away at the amount of evidence/violations Zellner's team has presented. How both Steven and Brendan are still in prison is beyond any injustice I've known about in my short 35-year-old life. This is insane.
The problem with Avery is his past. It's checkered to say the least. If he hadn't had a violent history he might be believable.

A couple of items of note from an article..............

In the summer of 2004, a relative of Avery’s under the age of 18 claimed he sexually assaulted her. (Warning: this links to an interview with the girl, where she graphically describes the rape and Avery’s threats.) The girl’s mother did not want her identified, and said the girl did not want to talk to detectives because Avery told her if she “told anyone about their activities together, he would kill her family.” Avery's fiance Jodi claimed Avery had admitted sleeping with the girl to her. Avery's friend Tammy Weber had also heard Avery admit to sleeping with the girl, as well as Tammy's mother. Avery claimed he spent time with the girl hunting and fishing, but they never had sex.

The prosecution in the Halbach case filed statements from prisoners Avery had served time with, claiming he had talked to them about his plans to rape and torture women when he was released. The affidavits claim Avery showed them drawings of his planned torture chamber. The prosecution also filed an affidavit from a childhood friend of Avery's who claimed he took her virginity by raping her, and he threatened to hurt her if she screamed.

From The Huffington Post.....

The documentary “Making A Murderer” follows the story of Steven Avery, who was convicted of raping Penny Beerntsen in 1985. He spent 18 years behind bars before being exonerated by DNA evidence. After release from prison, Avery filed a multi-million dollar lawsuit against those responsible for his lost years: Manitowoc County, along with its former sheriff and district attorney.

In 2005, he was arrested in the rape and murder of Teresa Halbach, a photographer who was last seen on his property. The documentary suggests that a vindictive and corrupt police department may have framed Avery because of the looming lawsuit.

Stachowski, Avery’s former fiancee, appears in the documentary as one of his strongest supporters. Now, she says she was lying in the footage used in “Making A Murderer,” and that Avery coerced her into saying positive things about him.

“He told me how to act,” she said. “I didn’t know what to do, I didn’t want to get hurt.”

Stachowski described one incident in which Avery beat her and then strangled her. Police records show that in September of 2004, she reported that Avery pushed her to the floor, hit her and told her he was going to kill her. She then said he strangled her to the point where she lost consciousness. When she woke up, she told police, Avery was dragging her to his car. They were eventually stopped by an officer and Avery was taken into custody.

Police records also document another incident where Stachowski said she received a verbal threat from Avery while she was out of jail on work-release privilege.

There’s also evidence that Avery may have abused his former wife, Lori. In a police report from 1983, Avery’s sister-in-law told police that Avery “beat up on his wife, and she left home and went to a domestic violence center.”

Then in 1984, police responded to a “family trouble” incident at the Avery residence, but Lori declined to give a written statement.

After Avery was imprisoned for the 1985 rape of Penny Beerntsen, Lori reported to police that she received threatening letters in the mail from her husband — a fact the documentary breezes over quickly.

“Fuck you if you dont brang up my kids I will kill you I promis. Ha Ha (sic)” one reads. Another one says simply: “I will get you.”

Of course, even if Avery is guilty of domestic violence, it doesn’t mean that he is guilty of murder. But it’s a relevant part of the puzzle, as it’s not uncommon for men who commit violent crimes to have a history of abuse against intimate partners.

“Men who commit violence rehearse and perfect it against their families first,” wrote activists Pamela Shifman and Salamishah Tillet, who explained the phenomenon in the New York Times. “Women and children are target practice, and the home is the training ground for these men’s later actions.”

It’s worth noting that strangulation is a known predictor of future homicide, meaning that some men who strangle will go on to kill. As Gael Strack, one of the nation’s leading strangulation experts, told The Huffington Post in a previous story, “The minute you put pressure on someone’s neck, you are really announcing that you are a killer.”

Stachowski said she is speaking out now because she wants people to know the truth. “He is not innocent,” she said.

Avery’s defense attorney, and filmmakers Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi could not immediately be reached for comment.
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1) Steven and Brendan aren't in prison for any of the incidents you listed. They're behind bars because of Teresa Halbach's murder.

1b) Multiple things can be true in that Steven can be innocent in the murder of Teresa, but still be a horrible person. The latter does not automatically equal the former w/o proof beyond a reasonable doubt. See (2).

2) It's blatantly clear that the investigation, trial, and post conviction processes have been a cluster fuck from the beginning. Even if they're guilty, both got the short end of the stick within the parameters of our justice system.

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