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Old 09-21-2020, 10:19 PM   #36
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I'm with you in spirt, with conditions.

I don't mind getting young pups in the mix, but not wholesale. And not that early.


I don't see why not, especially on offense.... let them get some real-time, game-time reps... keep the TE's in and get a couple of the 1st/2nd year WRs in there to see what they can do... we need them.


QB - Book needs to play like he did vs USF. He still needs to work on a lot of things, and the biggest thing is, he needs to build chemistry with WRs.


IMO, Book is as good as he's going to get. He can control/run the offense but he is not a deep threat. Let's see what the back-ups can if needed in a 'pinch'.


WR - I'm OK with getting some young high potential guys like Johnson and Watts in, but not go overboard with the rest. We really need WRs to step up and emerge. Not having an alpha WR1, or really even knowing who 2 or 3 is either, is concerning.



Agreed


RB - I'm fine with resting guys like KW and Tyree with a heavy rotation.


Agreed


OL - Not rotating these guys until we have a comfy lead. They played awful at times in game 1, and I'd like to know if their improvements in game 2, were actually improvements, instead of just playing a bad USF.


Ok - OLine is different. There needs to be uniformity, cohesion, and repetition... but, this is a game where a rotation or two could help the youngsters in case someone goes down for a play or two....


Defense - already have a ton of rotation and young pups getting PT. And really, when is the last time we were talking about 3 or 4 frosh playing on D this early in the year. I don't think I can recall seeing this amount of frosh (and soph) getting substantial snaps.

Agreed but - it was mostly second half of the USF game... the line was the most rotated (of course - always is) lets get some DBs and LBs in there to see where they stand
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Old 09-21-2020, 10:22 PM   #37
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Agreed but - it was mostly second half of the USF game... the line was the most rotated (of course - always is) lets get some DBs and LBs in there to see where they stand
When you use the word cohesion for the OL, you need to think in those terms with QB and WR too. While I do think Book can improve some in general, it's not about "him" really improving. It's about the chemistry between the QB and WR improving. Right now there's not a lot of it. He's got mostly new guys. AD has bounced around everywhere and is still raw at the position itself. A grad transfer from NW lol. McKinley isn't even close to a poor man's Chase.

This is our last "tune up" chance before we get into FSU, Ville, @Pitt, and @GT. That's our lead up to Clemson. Our schedule actually sets up nice for us, but if we're still dorking around without a legit #1 and #2 WR when we go on the road to Pitt, things could go south for our season quickly.

On D, we've had more early rotation at LB and DB than you think.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:20 PM   #39
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When you use the word cohesion for the OL, you need to think in those terms with QB and WR too. While I do think Book can improve some in general, it's not about "him" really improving. It's about the chemistry between the QB and WR improving. Right now there's not a lot of it. He's got mostly new guys. AD has bounced around everywhere and is still raw at the position itself. A grad transfer from NW lol. McKinley isn't even close to a poor man's Chase.


I say this because with PJ gone, there needs to be someone 'at-the-ready' and the Irish do not have that like in the past. So this game, like you stated, is setting up nice for the next opponents and there needs to be some back-up QB play but in pressure, non-cushion, lead instances. The Irish are one play away from Book not being able to finish/start a game.


This is our last "tune up" chance before we get into FSU, Ville, @Pitt, and @GT. That's our lead up to Clemson. Our schedule actually sets up nice for us, but if we're still dorking around without a legit #1 and #2 WR when we go on the road to Pitt, things could go south for our season quickly.

On D, we've had more early rotation at LB and DB than you think.

Actually - I am... maybe my point didn't come across right as far as rotating 'new' guys. Yes, I know the line has been rotated, it usually is throughout every year, but the Irish DBs and LBs need to be tested as well but move some safety's to the outside and the DBs to the inside - along with young subs in case there is a situation such as the 'Play-off Irish/Clemson game where the injury was basically the difference in the game.

I agree with what and where you are going, but this is a game where the Irish SHOULD be able to do these subs/changes early and test them.
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Actually - I am... maybe my point didn't come across right as far as rotating 'new' guys. Yes, I know the line has been rotated, it usually is throughout every year, but the Irish DBs and LBs need to be tested as well but move some safety's to the outside and the DBs to the inside - along with young subs in case there is a situation such as the 'Play-off Irish/Clemson game where the injury was basically the difference in the game.

I agree with what and where you are going, but this is a game where the Irish SHOULD be able to do these subs/changes early and test them.
I'm good with any sub getting in, just not early unless we're steam rolling.

Not sure I agree at LB. We've got a very solid and deep groups there with a lot of snaps already. MIKE is almost a co-starter situation. WILL is 3, maybe 4 quality deep. Rover is fine too. At DB, the only #2s I'm worried about are Hart and Brown at FS and BCB, and Brown's already been thrust into action with Kyle banged up. The other 3 DB spots are fine. I would like to see Wallace a bit more though.

At QB though. Unless it's Clark, to me it doesn't matter. If Book goes down and Clark is not available, things won't matter lol. Not sure what Clark's situation is, but hope he's back. Happy to get him 2nd half reps.
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I'm good with any sub getting in, just not early unless we're steam rolling.

Not sure I agree at LB. We've got a very solid and deep groups there with a lot of snaps already. MIKE is almost a co-starter situation. WILL is 3, maybe 4 quality deep. Rover is fine too. At DB, the only #2s I'm worried about are Hart and Brown at FS and BCB, and Brown's already been thrust into action with Kyle banged up. The other 3 DB spots are fine. I would like to see Wallace a bit more though.

At QB though. Unless it's Clark, to me it doesn't matter. If Book goes down and Clark is not available, things won't matter lol. Not sure what Clark's situation is, but hope he's back. Happy to get him 2nd half reps.

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