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Old 12-12-2019, 04:06 PM   #2164
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FWIW, Return of the Jedi is my favorite movie in the series, followed closely by Empire Strikes Back. I acknowledge that Empire has the most iconic scene with the Vader/Luke reveal, and that is certainly the best moment, but I just enjoy Return of the Jedi more (Ewoks aside).

Supposedly the Ewoks were supposed to be Wookiees (And would have made more sense in taking down the Empire's army), but for budget purposes or some shit they got changed. Hey, a bunch of little people got jobs as a result, and it catapulted Warwick Davis' career so some good came of it. In any case, I enjoy the epic space battle from RotJ, it blows the original Death Star battle out of the water. The speeder bike chase on Endor was epic. The confrontation with Luke and the Emperor and Vader was memorable. Even the Tatooine sequence was cool, and it gave us Carrie Fisher in the slave outfit which was icing on the cake. Again, I acknowledge that Empire is the better film, but Jedi is still my favorite. Even the ending was cool, with the force ghosts showing up one last time...screw Lucas for messing with that original scene.

So yeah...just remember that without RotJ we never get Warwick Davis, who Lucas later created Willow for...and that led to Val Kilmer's greatest role as Madmartigan.
The way you feel about ROTJ is how I feel about ANH. I recognize that Empire is the better movie but I will always love ANH the most.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:14 PM   #2166
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First of all most of the examples in the little spiel you pulled from some website are plain dumb. They confuse plot or character development with internal inconsistency.

Second, I'm not "genuinely offended" at TLJ. I just think it's a stupid, awful movie. It introduces two characters I could not hate more and places them in roles that make no sense. It's own actors thought it was bad.

Third, you are assuming that Star Wars fans think the original trilogy is perfect. It's not. But there are perfect/near perfect moments (i.e. blowing up the Death Star) that made the original trilogy special. The fact that TLJ took those moments and cheapened them is where the tragedy lies.

Imagine if they made a sequel to Saving Private Ryan where Matt Damon was actually a Nazi spy. Maybe the movie itself makes every bit of sense and is a great movie in many ways (i.e. visually, acting, etc.). Even if all that was true wouldn't it still be an incredibly stupid movie because the whole time we'd be sitting there wondering about Saving Private Ryan the whole time?
Um, that little spiel was hard work.

As to your other points, you're conflating my argument because you assume that you're in the group I'm critiquing. You're the one who criticized my posts about the commonly discussed "flaws" within tLJ by saying that I was making false equivalencies, so I explained why I think the general outrage is ironic. I didn't presume to say anything about your views in particular or that those are incorrect or overblown. I don't know enough about your views to say if they're overblown or not.
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Old 12-12-2019, 07:42 PM   #2169
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I think you could make a real compelling movie by chopping up TPM and AOTC and turning it into a single film. THEN, apply the machete viewing order, where prequels are treated like a flashback between ep 5 and 6. Pretend TLJ never happened, and bam, you got a pretty rock solid SW binge:

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Then go see 9... just not on opening weekend, to punish them for TLJ.
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Rewatching The Last Jedi with my roommate now. I forgot how all over the place this movie was, and I'm not even to the casino planet yet.

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