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Old 07-29-2012, 12:30 PM   #351
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This year will be a test, but not one I would measure Hoke on. Michigan still has depth issues from attrition during the richrod era, I think they're at 78-80 scholarship athletes but I could be wrong. Injuries and fourth quarter depth will play too big a role to pin the season on Hoke's leadership skills, but judging off last year I think they're solid there.
That is exactly my point. Weis had a mediocre recruiting class, then a numero uno, type, and his first two years he hit BCS paydirt, but he couldn't escape Ty's slothfull recruiting, and it was all downhill from there. That is specifically why I said we need to look at the next two years. Especially if all or much of the negative recruiting rumors are true about Michigan and OSU. Seems to me, that affectes the character of your recruits severely.

Finally, who else would this year be a test of? Everybody characterizes Hoke as being able to do more with less; not to argue, but I don't see that in his character.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:37 AM   #352
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That is exactly my point. Weis had a mediocre recruiting class, then a numero uno, type, and his first two years he hit BCS paydirt, but he couldn't escape Ty's slothfull recruiting, and it was all downhill from there. That is specifically why I said we need to look at the next two years. Especially if all or much of the negative recruiting rumors are true about Michigan and OSU. Seems to me, that affectes the character of your recruits severely.

Finally, who else would this year be a test of? Everybody characterizes Hoke as being able to do more with less; not to argue, but I don't see that in his character.
Why do you not see him doing more with less? Turning programs like Ball State and SDSU around is exactly that. If Michigan is competitive this year, he's doing more with less. If Michigan has the same season as last, he will have achieved his first miracle on the road to Saint hood.

He and his staff have already proved they are fantastic at player development, adapting to the personal around them, and recruiting ninjas. As Michigan fan, it's really hard not to get behind a guy like Hoke.
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:17 AM   #353
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Because a much lesser defensive assistant that took over the Univ of Tol program named Amstutz with a quarterback named Gradkowski ruled the MAC, moreso that Brady. Until Gradkowski and the OC left, Amstutz was on track to be the winningest MAC coach of all times.

In football, lightening can strike three times.

Hoke could have been riding last year off Denard's aura. The ball never once bounced the wrong direction. Notice his standing around, goal line touchdown against the Irish. Almost every game something like that happend once or more for Denard last year; even in losing efforts they happened.

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I'm standing somewhere in the middle between Bogs and GoBlue on this. My eyes see not this year but the next as a test of Hoke. Then, for the first time, he will not have The Denard, who messes up EVERY DCs game plans and tilts the field. Coach Hoke will then show how well he and his staff create a flat-playing-field offense. He may do astoundingly well, he may flub. No one knows. The team should function fairly well because he, like all smart coaches [including ours], is loading the lines.

Michigan could turn into an old-style mauler-type team in the image of 20th century Michigan [which would be a mistake if they are really aiming high], or Hoke could show some creativity in trying to bring them into the 21st century. Say what you want, that was what Rodriguez was trying to do. And, his offenses DID do that. Can Hoke become a muted Rodriguez with a competent speed-oriented defense?? That question will be answered not this year, but somewhat in the following two years.

Regardless, it is my belief that Michigan has the personality in the current coach that it wants [irrationally --- "personality" should have little or nothing to do with keeping or firing coaches unless it's WAY out of line]. Thus I believe that without some unexpected total collapse of coaching competency, Hoke is it for years to come. His emphasis on line play will get him 8 wins in mediocre years, and that will sustain him. 8 wins for Michigan, by the way, is always easier than 8 wins for Notre Dame.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:51 AM   #355
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Because a much lesser defensive assistant that took over the Univ of Tol program named Amstutz with a quarterback named Gradkowski ruled the MAC, moreso that Brady. Until Gradkowski and the OC left, Amstutz was on track to be the winningest MAC coach of all times.

In football, lightening can strike three times.

Hoke could have been riding last year off Denard's aura. The ball never once bounced the wrong direction. Notice his standing around, goal line touchdown against the Irish. Almost every game something like that happend once or more for Denard last year; even in losing efforts they happened.
Bogs, you're one of the most, if not the most, positive-thinking ND fans on here. Sometimes to the point of not being able to see the bad in Notre Dame players and coaches, all due respect.

But put it this way - if Hoke had done what he did in the past and THEN came to ND and won us a BCS game in his first year after having to win with another coach's players who didn't even come close to fitting his system (including turning around that atrocious defense), AND recruited insanely, you would be singing his praises off the peaks of Mt. Everest. Seriously, you know you would. So what the Mich fan is saying isn't hyperbole at all. At this point in his career, Hoke has done nothing but show that he is a very good coach, perhaps even great. I don;t see how anyone can deny that, or even put a few 'yeah buts' in there.

Now, his career isn't over of course, so he still has lots to prove. But right now, dude is straight ballin'...can't deny it.
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I think Hoke is benefiting from RR's offense.

They cut RR'S too soon, or not, and Hoke took RR's team to a BCS bowl. Lol.

So sad.

Hoke did nothing to change offense. He even used Denard the same way. Remember his less scrambling comments from last year/less carries.

Early 90's flashback word: NOT!

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