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Old 07-16-2018, 03:05 PM   #57
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Should have been done years ago. Great guy but the cardinal way has been rotting away with each year that passes under Matheny.

I wish him all the best but the beacon of the National League needs to be restored back to its winning heritage.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:24 PM   #58
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Should have been done years ago. Great guy but the cardinal way has been rotting away with each year that passes under Matheny.

I wish him all the best but the beacon of the National League needs to be restored back to its winning heritage.
That's just it. It's not like they dissolved into continuous losing seasons or complete disaster 100 loss seasons. They had been middling and very inconsistent for three years straight now and this is a luxury that not many franchises have.

I agree a move needed to be made but the strength of the organization is still there even if the guy who was managing the team wasn't getting done.

I'm frankly more excited that Mabry was finally let go too. That was move way overdue IMO.
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Old 07-18-2018, 04:15 PM   #59
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Should have been done years ago. Great guy but the cardinal way has been rotting away with each year that passes under Matheny.

I wish him all the best but the beacon of the National League needs to be restored back to its winning heritage.
He's not a great guy. In addition to being incompetent, he's also an ass wipe of a person. He had some good regular seasons at first, and even during those regular seasons his lack of tactical knowledge and poor decision making was obvious. He's always been a jerk, and he was a guy that didn't trust young players or give them a chance.

He remained in place despite not being a great guy and despite his failures. The only reason they finally chose to get rid of him was because his relationship with Dexter Fowler (there isn't one) and his allowing Bud Norris to harass Jordan Hicks constantly wasn't tolerable to the front office while they were .500

I'm glad he's gone because he's a baseball dinosaur and a bad guy. Plain and simple. They should consider finding someone good this winter and not someone who once played for the Cardinals. If that box MUST be checked, they'll keep getting more of the same.
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Thoughts? Feel like it's selling low on Weaver and Kelly, but still got to give it an A-.
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I thought it was highway robbery. I understand the selling low comment since Kelly and Weaver both regressed but reality is Kelly won’t play very much this year again, so his stock won’t improve (should have traded last winter) and Weaver shows no signs of having a third pitch. Cards have a better catching prospect and 10 (10!) better starting pitchers at the moment. Both were expendable.

Now you get Harper. This should have no negative impact on Harper. If I hear at the presser this takes them out of the rest of the winter I will be disappointed. You sign Harper and let Ozuna walk after next year or find a way to package Fowler to the moon. There are a million ways to make it work. The Goldy trade got you at the table, now is the time to take it not just relax.
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I thought it was highway robbery. I understand the selling low comment since Kelly and Weaver both regressed but reality is Kelly won’t play very much this year again, so his stock won’t improve (should have traded last winter) and Weaver shows no signs of having a third pitch. Cards have a better catching prospect and 10 (10!) better starting pitchers at the moment. Both were expendable.

Now you get Harper. This should have no negative impact on Harper. If I hear at the presser this takes them out of the rest of the winter I will be disappointed. You sign Harper and let Ozuna walk after next year or find a way to package Fowler to the moon. There are a million ways to make it work. The Goldy trade got you at the table, now is the time to take it not just relax.
Trade Fowler anyway. Package him with a prospect and jettison that crappy contract.

I agree that the Cards made out like thieves. And the worst case scenario is that Goldy walks at years end and they get a compensation pick after a qualifying offer.
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