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Old 01-13-2021, 01:15 PM   #5342
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I do have concern about the new mRNA vaccine. It's never been done before and the rush to get this vaccine to the public has me concerned.

With that said, the greater "at risk" you are the more likelihood that i would recommend taking the vaccine despite the concerns.

My Mom is close to 80, relatively healthy, but I would recommend that she takes it.

My kids are 18-25. They have almost zero risk. They obviously will make their own decision, but I will be recommending to them that they wait and let this play out. As others have said, we don't know what, if any, long term issues may come up from a mRNA vaccine.

If my kids were under 16, no way in hell I would let them get vaccinated until a lot of time has passed.

For myself, I really am not sure what I will do. I'm certainly more at risk than my kids and want to wait some reasonable amount of time to see how this plays out. If I was offered in January, I would decline. If my time doesn't come until May, not sure of my answer.
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Old 01-13-2021, 02:19 PM   #5343
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As to that vimeo about Larry Palevsky --- compelling? Hopefully not.

Palevsky is what he calls a "holistic pediatrician" who believes that most of modern "physical" medicine is useless if not directly harmful. Here are two of his opinions:

A. The 2019 measles outbreak in NYC/Brooklyn was caused by measles in vaccines, and not measles spread in a normal way human to human. Now, there is not only NO (zero) data to support that speculation, but as Palevsky (who runs a Wellness Center in the area) should know, only THREE PERCENT of the people getting measles in that outbreak had been vaccinated at all.

B. Instead of doing any medicine at all when your child gets sick, Palevsky believes that you should do nothing at all --- just keep them in bed. Two quotes:

“I believe in what’s called a starvation diet for kids when they’re sick."

“Most of the reason that kids get sick is to move or get rid of wastes anyway.”

This guy doesn't know what he's spewing talk about. Maybe he actually believes his sh!t, but he is riding high as a holistic medicine "expert" at speaking engagements. Either way, he's dangerous. Oregon took away the ability of a better known "MD" with similar claims to practice in the state. (guy named Thomas)

Compelling ... good lord save us from slick snake-oil salesmen.
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Old 01-13-2021, 02:31 PM   #5344
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On a more factual note: I just talked with The Fountains' activities coordinator who was just back from a three week "vacation" --- but it wasn't.

She and her family went to a wedding just before Christmas (wedding of a close relative.) The wedding was out-of-state and brought in people from several areas. Apparently nearly everyone got COVID. Her whole family did (despite she is in the habit of being very careful.) It was a mini-spreader event.

Her experience was pretty bad as to feeling very sick, but in her case that wasn't lungs-oriented. She had two bad weeks of gradually lessening sickness, and slowly increasing energy. Here at the end of the third week, she is convalescent to a degree, but still feels out-of-gas most of the time.

Her son (not a baby nor a pre-schooler) wasn't so "lucky." He got COVID of the lungs-attack kind. His condition was touch and go for a while, but thankfully is now in recovery.

Forget that idiot Palevsky and get the DAMM vaccine!!!
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I’ll be 40 this year and have decided to hold off to see what side effects might look like. My work is from home though and can stay isolated for the most part. My diabetic GF however spends a lot of time in dental practices and got her first shot last week.

Grams, who will be 84 soon, is scheduled for her first vaccination next week thankfully.
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As to that vimeo about Larry Palevsky --- compelling? Hopefully not.

Palevsky is what he calls a "holistic pediatrician" who believes that most of modern "physical" medicine is useless if not directly harmful. Here are two of his opinions:

A. The 2019 measles outbreak in NYC/Brooklyn was caused by measles in vaccines, and not measles spread in a normal way human to human. Now, there is not only NO (zero) data to support that speculation, but as Palevsky (who runs a Wellness Center in the area) should know, only THREE PERCENT of the people getting measles in that outbreak had been vaccinated at all.

B. Instead of doing any medicine at all when your child gets sick, Palevsky believes that you should do nothing at all --- just keep them in bed. Two quotes:

“I believe in what’s called a starvation diet for kids when they’re sick."

“Most of the reason that kids get sick is to move or get rid of wastes anyway.”

This guy doesn't know what he's spewing talk about. Maybe he actually believes his sh!t, but he is riding high as a holistic medicine "expert" at speaking engagements. Either way, he's dangerous. Oregon took away the ability of a better known "MD" with similar claims to practice in the state. (guy named Thomas)

Compelling ... good lord save us from slick snake-oil salesmen.


2:14 is quite important.
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Old 01-13-2021, 03:18 PM   #5347
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My wife and I are fully vaccinated, as are our kids.

But my wife's been looking into this more and more, and seen a lot of stuff that is giving her pause, and even feeling negligent for not looking into the research behind vaccines before. She's actually down on herself and I tell her it's probably fine and not to feel bad at all.

This video is 18 mins but every minute of it is extremely compelling:

https://vimeo.com/386313325
If we have any medical experts here, can you please discount this Dr with decades of PCP experience?

Because if 50% of this is accurate it's incredibly Fd up.
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Just to mention that I am not an uneducated idiot: I have a PhD with a masters degree in Biochemistry from Iowa State university, and taught science for thirty years, including some bits on human immune systems and viruses. I admit that I am not an expert on everything, but note that not all doctors are either, and some people who happen to have MDs turn into quacks, as we see over and over again.

By all means seek many opinions --- just note that there are lots of slick sounding brainy individuals who have found lucrative niches in the upper middle class (looking for easy answers public) --- they hold workshops and weekends and anti-science retreats and sell untested and unbased-in-anything products etc etc.

Does any of it work? beyond psychology and placebo? Who knows? But don't suck in just because "hey that sounds kinda right to me" no matter how much baseless internet talk surrounds it.
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