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Old 04-22-2019, 12:33 PM   #2423
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It's all about control. This has been going on with Notre Dame players forever... remember Buddy Ryan telling Duerson he didn't like Notre Dame grads because he didn't want any "smart n*ggers" on his team? The implication is that the ideal football player for organizations is one dumb enough to not think independently, dumb enough to be manipulated by coaches and not question authority, and dumb enough to not have any alternatives outside of football.

Unless you're a white QB*, then they rave about and celebrate your intelligence.

*Except Josh Rosen. For some reason (the money he came from?) that dude got hated on like crazy for having interests outside of football.
I don't think its intelligence that they dislike. I think its not wanting to invest in, and plan a roster around, guys who may say to themselves after two years, "You know what, I have 5 million in the bank, and my head and knees are still working right. Football isn't everything..." The NFL is full of hyper-athletic freaks determined to punish you. If your mind is elsewhere--if you have other plausible options or interests--the pain and punishment and long-term health issues are something you may not want to push through.

Owners want guys who LOVE football and are single-minded about winning, because it makes them more predictable, more likely to endure, and more likely to strive for their potential.
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Old 04-22-2019, 02:25 PM   #2424
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I don't think its intelligence that they dislike. I think its not wanting to invest in, and plan a roster around, guys who may say to themselves after two years, "You know what, I have 5 million in the bank, and my head and knees are still working right. Football isn't everything..." The NFL is full of hyper-athletic freaks determined to punish you. If your mind is elsewhere--if you have other plausible options or interests--the pain and punishment and long-term health issues are something you may not want to push through.

Owners want guys who LOVE football and are single-minded about winning, because it makes them more predictable, more likely to endure, and more likely to strive for their potential.
This argument would be more sympathetic if NFL players had guaranteed contracts like they do in baseball and basketball. But teams can, and do, drop guys all the time and invest nothing more than the signing bonus and a weekly paycheck. And the average NFL career is less than three years anyway. No matter how much guys want to “strive for their potential,” most wind up on the scrap heap, and not from their own choosing.

I get why owners may not want to spend a high draft pick and a big bonus on a kid who might quit the game after a few seasons. But I’m not going to cast aspersions on the player for that. They’re the ones taking all the risk.
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I get why owners may not want to spend a high draft pick and a big bonus on a kid who might quit the game after a few seasons. But I’m not going to cast aspersions on the player for that. They’re the ones taking all the risk.
I agree that these issues are much more important when you are talking about higher draft picks in the NFL. But the players aren't taking all the risk--even if they are taking the more significant risks (i.e., health). Wasting time, money, and a roster spot for a year or two is something. And you also forgo the opportunity to draft another player.

Long story short, if the team is trying to build a roster and win, it is going to be interested in any and all factors that might may impact their selections. Forget the owners, think about the GM who doesn't want to be fired in 2 years because the team isn't meeting expectations. Their jobs are on the line. They want to minimize risk.

And the short-term nature of the NFL actually probably makes the issue more important. The man or woman who is willing to sacrifice everything for their career is usually more valuable to the organization in the short-term. In the NFL, long-term workaholic burnout isn't the big concern since careers are so short.

As for Rosen, the kid always seemed like he thought he was the smartest person in the room. That can be difficult to manage in any organization.

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This is pretty big for him. I've seen some mocks that have Tillery going middle second round, because the thought he would miss part or all of fall camp.

I really think Tillery is going to get drafted in the late first round Thursday. Saying that I also thought Jarron Jones was going to get drafted at the end of day 2 lmfao
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