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Old 08-13-2019, 01:35 PM   #1086
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What a gem by Gio yesterday too. He has bounced back from a few shaky July outings. Lopez trending up post break. Keep it going.. And lets get 2 more healthy arms back. Keep Nova for 6th starter, long reliever.

Need that hitting coach you've been preaching about. It has to be getting noticed that the run differential this season is absurd.
Didn't this staff all get extensions from the front office/chairman? You know Cooper isn't going anywhere regardless.

I feel like their organizational staff is littered with former White Sox and Royals from recent years. That's not exactly a good thing.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:13 PM   #1087
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Didn't this staff all get extensions from the front office/chairman? You know Cooper isn't going anywhere regardless.

I feel like their organizational staff is littered with former White Sox and Royals from recent years. That's not exactly a good thing.
I agree.. I would not be opposed to cleaning house. And if i never have to see Ron Kittle again, i will be ok with it.
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I agree.. I would not be opposed to cleaning house. And if i never have to see Ron Kittle again, i will be ok with it.
So they started their rebuild, likely at least two years late, AFTER trading Fernando Tatis Jr. for James Shields. They created a position that allowed Kenny Williams to fall up into and gave Rick Hahn ( a loyal solider) the GM Chair.

Started tearing down, cleaned out some of the front office staff, with Kenny and Rick still there as the main decision makers. They are just now starting to provide minor league players with statistical information to help prepare them and make them better.

There was a reason this team has been so poor at player development over the years, and these recent articles are confirming what many assumed about that. They're behind, significantly, compared to the other teams.

If you know anything about what the Astros do for their players, you have to realize as a Sox fan the monumental sale job it will take for the Sox to sign Cole in free agency. Everything he is going to see from these other clubs will be a down grade in terms of development, preparation and information provided.

It isn't hopeless, but it is going to take this club a very long time to catch up to the pack. Meanwhile, the pack is innovating and improving along.
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So they started their rebuild, likely at least two years late, AFTER trading Fernando Tatis Jr. for James Shields. They created a position that allowed Kenny Williams to fall up into and gave Rick Hahn ( a loyal solider) the GM Chair.

Started tearing down, cleaned out some of the front office staff, with Kenny and Rick still there as the main decision makers. They are just now starting to provide minor league players with statistical information to help prepare them and make them better.

There was a reason this team has been so poor at player development over the years, and these recent articles are confirming what many assumed about that. They're behind, significantly, compared to the other teams.

If you know anything about what the Astros do for their players, you have to realize as a Sox fan the monumental sale job it will take for the Sox to sign Cole in free agency. Everything he is going to see from these other clubs will be a down grade in terms of development, preparation and information provided.

It isn't hopeless, but it is going to take this club a very long time to catch up to the pack. Meanwhile, the pack is innovating and improving along.
I have a buddy who is a scout for the Sox.. I am going to ask him about Analytics.. He is young enough and I am sure gets it.. Ill see if its top down or the younger guys are pining for it.

One encouraging link and hope shes the answer..
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https://twitter.com/SoxMachine/statu...95039077232641
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The Astros, Cubs and Braves all started their rebuilds with new front offices. Astros and Cubs under new ownership. Red Sox won under Cherington after Theo and then with Dealer Dave. Virtually everyone has started under a new front office regime in recent years.

Kenny and Rick had the benefit of getting to stay and start a rebuild. Just like the Bulls, who are now on Rebuild II.

Huge difference here.
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The Astros, Cubs and Braves all started their rebuilds with new front offices. Astros and Cubs under new ownership. Red Sox won under Cherington after Theo and then with Dealer Dave. Virtually everyone has started under a new front office regime in recent years.

Kenny and Rick had the benefit of getting to stay and start a rebuild. Just like the Bulls, who are now on Rebuild II.

Huge difference here.
yes big difference for JR when it comes to the Sox vs. Bulls, is that he is hands on with the Sox. Bulls he is not.. Bulls Michael oversees now and is his business. You will see more moves there before you do the Sox. Considering many fans are not renewing seasons for the Bulls, will lead to some changes one can hope. Hit the bulls in the pocket book, JR will change his tune. Sox, is too close to his heart that he is too loyal of an owner. Which unfortunately is a bad thing when you are overly loyal for many many years too long. Since 2011, no one should be on this front office.. Should have been gutted.
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yes big difference for JR when it comes to the Sox vs. Bulls, is that he is hands on with the Sox. Bulls he is not.. Bulls Michael oversees now and is his business. You will see more moves there before you do the Sox. Considering many fans are not renewing seasons for the Bulls, will lead to some changes one can hope. Hit the bulls in the pocket book, JR will change his tune. Sox, is too close to his heart that he is too loyal of an owner. Which unfortunately is a bad thing when you are overly loyal for many many years too long. Since 2011, no one should be on this front office.. Should have been gutted.
Disagree.

I think the proof is in the pudding. Same management on the surface, but completely different approach in almost every facet of personnel development and acquisition. It became extremely obvious that after 2016, Jerry told KW to move over and Hahn is in charge of the rebuild.

When Hahn took over in 2012, nothing changed, which told me that KW was still the man calling the shots. After 2016, JR had enough of the status quo and wanted a complete rebuild, but wanted Hahn as the guy to take over. It wouldn't be the first time Jerry made changes to support a rebuild. See 2000 when he moved from Ron Schueler, who had been GM for a full decade prior in favor of the upstart Kenny Williams.

I just wished they decided to blow it up before making the horrible trade for Shields that cost them Tatis. I get that Tatis wasn't nearly as huge a prospect, but still a young talent with a lot of upside. That, to me, was the swan song of KW as a phantom GM.
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