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Irish Envy 12-13-2004 12:00 PM

Charlie Weis Named 28th Irish Coach
 
Charlie Weis, a 1978 University of Notre Dame graduate and owner of three Super Bowl champion rings as products of a stellar 15-season career as a National Football League assistant, has been named the 28th head football coach of the Fighting Irish.

Weis, who signed a six-year contract, will be introduced at an 11:00 a.m. EST press conference Monday at the Joyce Center on the Notre Dame campus.

A widely-respected disciple of professional coaching standouts Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, Weis currently is the highly-regarded offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots (under Patriot head coach Belichick). He has played an integral role in New England's victories in two of the last three Super Bowls - and the Patriots currently own the best record in the NFL in 2004 at 12-1.

Weis becomes the first Notre Dame graduate to hold the football head coaching position at his alma mater since Hugh Devore (a '34 graduate) served as interim coach in 1963 (the Irish finished 2-7 that year - Devore also coached the Irish to a 7-2-1 mark as interim coach in 1945). Weis is the first Notre Dame graduate to serve as the Irish football coach on a full-fledged basis since Joe Kuharich (a '38 Notre Dame graduate who coached at Notre Dame from 1959 through '62).

Now in his 26th season overall in coaching, Weis is in the midst of his ninth season with the Patriots and his fifth as the team's offensive coordinator. In those previous 14 NFL seasons, his coaching contributions have helped produce those three Super Bowl championships (New York Giants following 1990 season, Patriots following '01 and '03 seasons), four conference titles and five division titles. Weis has been a winner everywhere he has coached - and he has received widespread notice as one of the most creative and innovative offensive coordinators in football.
All along the way, Weis has displayed the ability to develop successful offensive players. He helped advance the careers of New York Jets' running back Curtis Martin, Jets' wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, Patriots' tight end Ben Coates and, most recently, Patriots' two-time Super Bowl MVP quarterback Tom Brady. Under Weis' tutelage, the former sixth-round draft choice has become one of the NFL's premier signalcallers in just three seasons as a starter. Including the playoffs, Brady has compiled a 52-13 record as a starting quarterback since stepping in early in 2001, when Weis also was serving as the New England quarterbacks coach.

In addition to his offensive coordinator responsibilities, Weis also mentored the quarterbacks in 2001 and 2002. In `01, Drew Bledsoe started the first two games of the season before being sidelined with a serious chest injury. By the third week of the season, Weis was preparing Brady for his first NFL start and, over the course of the season, Brady blossomed into a Pro Bowl performer and earned the MVP award in Super Bowl XXXVI. Brady only continued to improve, leading the NFL with 28 touchdown passes in 2002, then turning in another Super Bowl MVP performance in `03.

In recent seasons, Weis' offense has permitted youthful Patriot offensive stars such as Brady, Deion Branch, Notre Dame graduate David Givens and Kevin Faulk to flourish. His offense also has allowed New England veterans such as Troy Brown, Christian Fauria and David Patten to enjoy resurgences in their careers. Brown established a New England record with 101 receptions in 2001, earning his initial Pro Bowl invitation in his ninth NFL season. Fauria led the Patriots with seven TDs in 2002 (his eighth pro campaign), while Patten's 61 catches in `02 were the most of his seven-year career.

Weis also made great use of contributions from a pair of 2002 draft picks to help the team to its second Super Bowl championship in 2003. Branch led the team with 57 receptions in his second pro season, while fellow second-year player Givens paced New England with six receiving TDs. In the postseason, Givens added a pair of scores, while Branch's 10 catches in Super Bowl XXXVIII tied for the third-most in Super Bowl history. Givens, who played for the Irish in 1998-2001, currently leads the `04 Patriots in receptions with 58 for 783 yards and 10 TDs.

The 2004 Patriots currently own a franchise-record string of 18 consecutive homefield victories (regular-season and postseason combined) over three seasons, the longest current streak in the NFL. Meanwhile, Patriot running back Cory Dillon already has rushed for 1,309 yards and 10 TDs (ranking fourth in the league last week and including seven 100-yard games). New England enjoyed a 21-game unbeaten streak, including the final 15 games in 2003 (including three in the playoffs) and the first six in '04 and now has won 27 of its last 28 games overall.

Weis started his professional coaching career with the New York Giants in 1990. After assisting in the Giants pro personnel department while also coaching high school football in `89, Weis a year later was named defensive assistant and assistant special teams coach (under eighth-year Giants head coach Parcells). In his first season on the Giants coaching staff, the Giants claimed the Super Bowl title with a 16-3 overall record. In 1991, Ray Handley took over as coach of the Giants and named Weis his running backs coach. After two seasons on Handley's staff, Weis began a four-year stint in New England - all four of those seasons under Parcells.

In Weis' first tenure with the Patriots from 1993-96, he assisted in the development of some of New England's all-time best individual season performances from Coates, Martin and Terry Glenn, respectively. During his first four seasons in New England, he coached three different positions. In 1993 and `94, he served as the Patriots' tight ends coach and, in his second season at the position, Coates set an NFL record for receptions by a tight end with 96 and earned his first trip to the Pro Bowl. In `95, Weis coached the Patriots' running backs and was credited with developing Martin, a third-round `95 draft pick, into one of the premier running backs in the NFL. That year, Martin won league rookie-of-the-year honors and set franchise rushing records with 1,487 yards and 14 TDs. In `96, Weis coached the New England receivers, with Glenn leading the team and setting an NFL rookie reception record with 90 catches for 1,132 yards and six TDs.

From 1997 to '99 (with Parcells as head coach and Belichick as assistant head coach), Weis called offensive plays for the New York Jets. In his first season, the Jets improved from 1-15 in 1996 to 9-7 in `97. The eight-game improvement ranked as the best in franchise history. In `98, Weis was named the offensive coordinator/wide receivers coach. By season's end, his offense ranked among the greatest in franchise history and led the Jets to their first division title. The team scored 416 points, second-highest total in franchise history (after 419 points in `68) and averaged 357.2 yards per game. It marked the second-best total-offense season average in Jets history (368.5 yards per game in `85). Both of Weis' starting receivers, Johnson (1,131) and Chrebet (1,083), eclipsed the 1,000-yard receiving plateau for the first time in their careers. It marked the first time since `86 that two Jets receivers reached that milestone in the same season.

In `99, Weis' offense produced the NFL's second-leading rusher and the AFC's fourth-ranked receiver. Martin rushed for 1,464 yards, falling only 90 yards shy of the rushing title (won by Indianapolis' Edgerrin James). Johnson led the Jets and established career highs with 89 receptions for 1,170 yards, earning his second consecutive Pro Bowl nod.

Weis has enjoyed tremendous coaching success at all levels, including high school, college and in the NFL. The Trenton, N.J., native began his coaching career in 1979 at Boonton High School in New Jersey, then spent the next five seasons at Morristown (N.J.) High School as a football assistant. In `85, he was hired by head coach Joe Morrison at the University of South Carolina, where he served four seasons on the Gamecock staff before returning to New Jersey as the head coach at Franklin Township High in `89. That year, he directed Franklin Township to the New Jersey state championship while also assisting in the Giants' pro personnel department. In `90, he launched his professional coaching career with the New York Giants and celebrated the first of his three Super Bowl championships.

Weis was born March 30, 1956, in Trenton, N.J. After graduation from Middlesex (N.J.) High School, he earned his bachelor's degree in speech and drama from Notre Dame in 1978. While coaching at South Carolina, he earned his master's degree in education in 1989.

In 2003, Weis and his wife Maura established the Hannah & Friends Foundation, dedicated to children affected by developmental disorders. In the spring of `04, the first annual Hannah & Friends Celebrity Golf Classic was held to benefit the foundation.

Charlie and Maura have two children, Charles Joseph and Hannah Margaret.

Year by Year with Charlie Weis

Year Team Position
1979 Boonton (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1980 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1981 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1982 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1983 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1984 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1985 South Carolina Graduate Assistant Coach/Defensive Backs
1986 South Carolina Graduate Assistant Coach/Linebackers
1987 South Carolina (8-4, Gator Bowl) Volunteer Coach/Defensive Ends
1988 South Carolina (8-4, Liberty Bowl) Assistant Recruiting Coordinator
1989 Franklin Township (N.J.) High School Head Coach
1990 New York Giants (13-3, Super Bowl champion) Def. Assistant, Asst. Special Teams
1991 New York Giants (8-8) Running Backs
1992 New York Giants Running Backs
1993 New England Patriots Tight Ends
1994 New England Patriots (10-6, Wild Card loser) Tight Ends
1995 New England Patriots Running Backs
1996 New England Patriots (11-5, lost Super Bowl) Wide Receivers
1997 New York Jets (9-7) Wide Receivers
1998 New York Jets (12-4, lost AFC title game) Offensive Coordinator/Wide Receivers
1999 New York Jets (8-8) Offensive Coordinator/Wide Receivers
2000 New England Patriots Offensive Coordinator/Running Backs
2001 New England Patriots (11-5, Super Bowl champ.) Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks/RBs
2002 New England Patriots (9-7) Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
2003 New England Patriots (14-2, Super Bowl champ.) Offensive Coordinator
2004 New England Patriots (11-1) Offensive Coordinator

Among the former Notre Dame football players who played on Weis-coached teams in the National Football League are tight ends Mark Bavaro (1990) and Derek Brown (1992), safety Dave Duerson (1990), offensive tackle Tom Rehder (1990-inactive) and defensive end Eric Dorsey (1991-92) with the New York Giants, running back Robert Farmer (1999) and quarterback Rick Mirer (1999) with the New York Jets, and tight end Jabari Holloway (2001-inactive), fullback Marc Edwards (2001-02), wide receiver David Givens (2002-present), defensive back Rod Smith (1993-94) and defensive back Brock Williams (2001-02) with the New England Patriots. Duerson, Bavaro, Edwards, Williams, Holloway and Givens are now owners of Super Bowl champion rings based on those experiences.

Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian on Charlie Weis: "Charlie has proven to be one of the outstanding offensive minds in football. His teams are exceptional in their use of personnel, exceptional in the way they attack defenses, exceptional in the concepts they use. You've hired a guy who clearly is on the cutting edge of offensive football."

Looking for a list of first-time college head coaches who have been successful? Check out the current Associated Press poll - and you'll find names like Stoops, Tedford, Richt and Fulmer, among others. The move to Notre Dame marks the first collegiate head coaching job for Charlie Weis, but that's hardly unusual when you eyeball a list of the best teams in the country in 2004. A look at the final regular-season AP top 25 poll shows that 11 of the 25 coaches whose teams made the rankings are in their very first head coaching position at the college level, including some of the biggest names in the college game. The list includes:


#2 Oklahoma's Bob Stoops 12-0 in `04 67-11 overall (.859 win percentage)
#4 California's Jeff Tedford 10-1 25-12 (.676)
#7 Louisville's Bobby Petrino 10-1 19-5 (.792)
#8 Georgia's Mark Richt 9-2 49-11 (.817)
#13 Michigan's Lloyd Carr 9-2 95-28 (.772)
#14 Miami's Larry Coker 8-3 43-6 (.878)
#15 Tennessee's Phil Fulmer 8-3 121-30 (.801)
#16 Wisconsin's Barry Alvarez 9-2 108-69-4 (.608)
#20 Florida's Ron Zook (Illinois) 7-4 23-14 (.622)
#23 Texas Tech's Mike Leach 7-4 38-25 (.603)
#25 Boston College's Tom O'Brien 8-3 64-42 (.604)
Four others had been previous head coaches but not on the Division I level:
#1 USC's Pete Carroll 12-0 41-9 (.820)
#10 Boise State's Dan Hawkins 11-0 30-5 (.857)
#11 Iowa's Kirk Ferentz 9-2 41-31 (.569)
#24 Ohio State's Jim Tressel 7-4 39-11 (.780)

* Of these 15, seven made the jump from college offensive coordinator to Div. I head coach (Tedford, Petrino, Richt, Coker, Fulmer, O'Brien, Leach).

* Four made the jump from college defensive coordinator to Div. I head coach (Stoops, Carr, Alvarez, Zook).

* One (Carroll) made the jump from NFL head coach.

* Three (Hawkins, Ferentz, Tressel) were head coaches at non-Div. I institutions.

Former Notre Dame All-America tight end Mark Bavaro (he played under Charlie Weis with the New York Giants) on Weis: "I don't think they could make a better decision. He's a very straightforward, no-nonsense type of guy. He's not in it for glory or self-promotion. He's in it to win. He's a student of both of those guys (Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick), from the same school, from the same coaching tree as those guys. If you want know what kind of coach he'll be, look at Parcells and Belichick. He's definitely proven he can handle pressure. The Notre Dame job comes with its owns type of pressure, but from what I've seen him go through in the past, I think he'll come through just fine."

When Charlie Weis takes the field with the Irish in 2005, it will have been 42 years since a Notre Dame graduate held the University's head coaching position. But there has been plenty of Notre Dame head football coaches with Notre Dame degrees:


Knute Rockne 1918-30 Class of '14
Hunk Anderson 1931-33 Class of '22
Elmer Layden 1934-40 Class of `24
Frank Leahy 1941-43, 46-53 Class of `31
Hugh Devore 1945, 1963 Class of `34
Terry Brennan 1954-58 Class of `49
Joe Kuharich 1959-62 Class of `38
Charlie Weis 2005- Class of '78

Ed McKeever (1944) attended Notre Dame but graduated from Texas Tech.
Current New England Patriot wide receiver David Givens (he played for Notre Dame in 1998-2001) on Charlie Weis: "He's been a teacher and coach of high school kids and he's got so much experience coaching NFL players like myself. There's no doubt in my mind he would be an outstanding recruiter because he relates so well to young people. I can say this because I've played for Charlie and I played at Notre Dame. I understand the pressures of playing and the pressures the coaches had coaching us at Notre Dame. They're all things Charlie would do very well with."

Charlie Weis served as a consultant for the video game NFL Quarterback Club '99 - providing game strategy for the Nintendo 64 product made by Acclaim and designed by Iguana.

Former Notre Dame All-America quarterback and current ESPN analyst Joe Theismann on Charlie Weis: "I think Charlie Weis in the right man for the right job at the University of Notre Dame. He understands throwing the football. That's what this era of college football is today - the ability to put it in the air. He's been a student at Notre Dame so he knows the culture of the University. He's worked on a big stage, having been part of World Championships two of the last three years with the Patriots. He's very inventive - his offenses have included defensive ends at fullback and linebackers at tight end. He's inventive as well as creative. He's a man who will bring a quiet discipline to the program. I think it's a great hire."

ND 1987 12-13-2004 08:32 PM

Tuna Light
 
This guy sounded like the Tuna at his press conference. I did not like the backhanded slaps at Willingham. I also would have like to have seen Clements (although he also has zero head coaching experience). This guy has zero head coaching experience. Looks like on the job training a' la Gerry Faust and Bob Davies. ND could have done better. ND had better.

seIRISH 12-13-2004 09:13 PM

It seems you cant handle the truth. We were not very good. Ty was not going to take us to the promised land. We had no swagger and the players do take on the coachs attitude which was I hope we get up by a lot early because we cant adjust late. Weis was the right choice so sit back and watch and when it happens you could say you were with them the hole time.

Irish Envy 12-13-2004 09:24 PM

I think you are both missing the point here. I think Weis was brought in because of his offensive prowess and the ability to develop players. His NFL lineage of players he has tutored is amazing when you look at Brady, Bledsoe, Coates, Martin, etc.

Although I put a premium on college head coaching experience, his NFL experience and development skills trump anyone in the diluted candidate pool.

QueensNY 12-13-2004 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ND 1987
This guy sounded like the Tuna at his press conference. I did not like the backhanded slaps at Willingham. I also would have like to have seen Clements (although he also has zero head coaching experience). This guy has zero head coaching experience. Looks like on the job training a' la Gerry Faust and Bob Davies. ND could have done better. ND had better.


Wait till you see Weis's offense next year. You'll see why before the season started he said ND was running a pop warner offense.

jiggafini19 12-14-2004 02:00 PM

Hopefully that's the case. Keep in mind, however, the REAL issue here: Recruiting. Sorry, but this is the nuts and bolts of what we're dealing with. He can have the most unstoppable X and O offense on paper ever, but, as the Tuna once said, you've gotta have the groceries. Ty's last class wasn't very prominent and as of now ND has 9 verbal commitments, none of which are offensive linemen. This is a priority, as are defensive backs that can actually cover something....anything, really. I hope he can pick up some of the big names out there that are/were considering ND. Otherwise, look for another 3 and out, putting us right back where we were at last week in 2007.

Aerosmith777 12-14-2004 03:45 PM

The difference is the X's and O's matter though, b/c recruits want to play in fun systems that prepare them for the NFL. Part of why Willingham was a miserable recruiter was b/c he couldn't sell his system as one the kids could put up big numbers in and get attention for the pros. Weis on the other hand is just coming off a career of developing pro talent, and his offense is known as one of the smartest in the game. There's no doubt he can sell that angle to recruits, in part b/c its absolutely true. I think NFL teams really are going to look at Notre Dame skill players a little closer for the first time in over a decade b/c they know who coached & developed them. If Tom Brady had had Weis to coach him for 4 years in college, maybe he would not have been a 6th round draft choice.

NDLyght37 12-14-2004 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerosmith777
The difference is the X's and O's matter though, b/c recruits want to play in fun systems that prepare them for the NFL. Part of why Willingham was a miserable recruiter was b/c he couldn't sell his system as one the kids could put up big numbers in and get attention for the pros. Weis on the other hand is just coming off a career of developing pro talent, and his offense is known as one of the smartest in the game. There's no doubt he can sell that angle to recruits, in part b/c its absolutely true. I think NFL teams really are going to look at Notre Dame skill players a little closer for the first time in over a decade b/c they know who coached & developed them. If Tom Brady had had Weis to coach him for 4 years in college, maybe he would not have been a 6th round draft choice.

At least Wies has it easier than Ty in the sense that Willingham had to try to run a pro offense with option players. Wies is just upgrading to a better pro offense. Wies should be successful, and he may make me forget about Clements. ;)

TomFoolery 12-15-2004 12:06 PM

Well, frankly Weis WILL STRUGGLE probably moreso that Ty did- Why?? Because it is exceedingly difficult to implement a pro style attack into a college furthermore. In essence, the locals will also be far more patient with "one of their own", than they were with Willingham. Sad state of affairs indeed.....Hopefully Weis will win- but if/when he doesn't, will the "higher ups" ask for his head??

ND 1987 12-15-2004 12:56 PM

If Ty had a weakness, it is recruiting. Regarding the success at New England, before his name came up at ND, I never once heard Weiss mentioned as crucial to New England's success. Weis has always worked for guys like Belichek and the Tuna who run the show. Granted Belichek is a defensive guy, New England's offense is what it is because of personnel.

Also- regarding players not wanting to play for Ty because of the offense he ran, this is total BS. This never held back Lou Holtz. Also, Willingham was running the west coast offense. It doesn't get any more NFL than that.

I am more certain Ty will bring back Washington than Weis bringing back ND.

I can already hear it 3 years from now. Your geniuses will be saying, "who was the stupid AD who hired a coach with zero head coaching experience and who hasn't played football beyond the 8th grade level."

I remember when Gerry Faust beat LSU in his first game and Sports Illustrated only half jokingly said ND might never lose another game under Faust. They were right. They didn't lose one. They lost 25. Weiss is Gery Faust with a gastric bypass. Two years at ND and he will be eating through a straw.

Aerosmith777 12-15-2004 01:02 PM

Actually, Weis' offense is probably less complicated than Willingham's. Not all pro offenses are excedingly complicated, as some coaches (like Weis) believe in comprehensive offensive strategies that allow them to play to their own players' strengths. One of Willingham's downfalls was he never seemed to grasp his own team's strengths and weaknesses. He gave Ryan Grant too many carries when better options were available, he over-emphasized the passing game when Carlyle Holliday (an option quarterback, not a drop-back thrower) was his QB, and he never gave Brady Quinn a chance to showcase his skills b/c opposing defenses had their way w/ ND's offensive line when they were in the passing game b/c A. he didn't utilize his running game enough to keep the linebackers & safeties at bay and B. ND was playing from behind way too much as a result of poor pass defense (a result of poor recruiting on the part of willingham).

I really think Weis is going to be better off than Willingham was. He may not get 10 wins his first year the way Willingham did, but that was much more the product of a great defense Ty inherited than anything he did coaching the offense. Plus, and far more importantly, you won't see the substantial drop off in the Irish's play in Weis' 2nd andr 3rd seasons the way you did w/ Ty.

Aerosmith777 12-15-2004 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ND 1987
If Ty had a weakness, it is recruiting. Regarding the success at New England, before his name came up at ND, I never once heard Weiss mentioned as crucial to New England's success. Weis has always worked for guys like Belichek and the Tuna who run the show. Granted Belichek is a defensive guy, New England's offense is what it is because of personnel.

Also- regarding players not wanting to play for Ty because of the offense he ran, this is total BS. This never held back Lou Holtz. Also, Willingham was running the west coast offense. It doesn't get any more NFL than that.

I am more certain Ty will bring back Washington than Weis bringing back ND.

I can already hear it 3 years from now. Your geniuses will be saying, "who was the stupid AD who hired a coach with zero head coaching experience and who hasn't played football beyond the 8th grade level."

I remember when Gerry Faust beat LSU in his first game and Sports Illustrated only half jokingly said ND might never lose another game under Faust. They were right. They didn't lose one. They lost 25. Weiss is Gery Faust with a gastric bypass. Two years at ND and he will be eating through a straw.

You have to understand that college football isn't the same game today that it was 8 years ago when Holtz left. Hell, it wasn't even the same game 8 years ago that it was in '88 when he won a title. Option offenses don't draw blue-chip athletes anymore. Not recievers, definately not QB's, and really not even runningback's who are afraid of that "They're numbers are just a product of the system" tag when they enter the draft. The reality is that while Ty was a west coast guy, you can still be a west coast guy and run an offense that's boring as hell. And that's what he did. It was complicated and boring, and didn't make young kids want to come to ND to play in it.

Also, you say New England's offense is what it is b/c of personel, but let me ask you, what personel is that exactly? Besides Correy Dillon, who just joined the team this year and was not around for their 2 superbowls, the Pat's don't have one true-blue NFL superstar talent. They have no big-play wider reciever, no superstar tight end, and a quarterback who wasn't drafted until the 6th round. Don't get me wrong, Tom Brady is a good quarterback, no doubt. BUT he was extremely raw when he got drafted by the Pats (hence he lasted until the 6th round) and needed to be well coached, and you can't attribute that good coaching to Belichek, b/c as you said, he's a defensive guy. Also, even now, everyone knows that Brady does not exactly have a cannon for an arm. He's better than the other guy b/c he's smarter, not more physically gifted, and it takes a good coach to instill those kind of smarts in his players. As far as the rest of the Pats offense goes, they have some very nice players like Christian Fauria and David Givens (gotta love an Irish Alum) but no real stars. No guys who run a sub-4.4 40 or can catch anything you throw within 10 yards of them, like some other offenses (i.e. Colts, Vikings, Steelers, etc). They just get every last drop out of the talent they do have, and that's always a credit to the coach, in this case to Weis.

As far as the zero head coaching experience, well all I'll say to that is Bob Stoops, Phil Fulmer, and Lloyd Carr. All 3 had no head coaching experience when hired at their respective schools, all 3 lead their teams to national titles. & if Ty does "resurrect" Washington, I say more power to him. But the fact remains he couldn't do it at Notre Dame, and never would even if given more time. His team never made any positive strides on his side of the ball in 3 years (offense), the defense has horribly regressed thanks to his poor recruiting. Maybe Washington will be a better fit for him and he'll be able to recruit there a little easier b/c he'll enjoy being there more. I hope so, although I have my doubts. But I don't think you can knock hiring Weis. His upside is ridiculously higher than Willingham's was. He has the potential to be a national title winning coach, but w/ Willingham, you can look at his record both at South bend and Stanford and see that he is only a slightly above average coach that is not a guy who's going to lead a program to consistent top-10 status.

TomFoolery 12-15-2004 01:49 PM

I wholeheartedly concur! You have to give ANY coach ample time to implement their schemes. It is exceedingly difficult for any program nowadays to maintain an elitist status over 5-7 years. For every Auburn, Utah, Louisville, and Cal that exists- (one or two year wonders), you have the Florida State's, Florida's, and Nebraska's. Realism at some point, must set in. A conference alignment would bring a healthy balance to ND football.

Aerosmith777 12-15-2004 01:54 PM

yeah, i'm one of those traditionalists who never wants to see ND join a conference, but even I'll admit, if this doesn't work out under Weis, their next move should be to join the Big 10 before they try changing coaches again

QueensNY 12-15-2004 05:45 PM

I can't stand the west coast offense. It's not what it used to be. I watch the Jets every week and they run the WCO, let me tell you that everyone in NY is ripping the Jets offense, its horrible.

WCO isn't going to attract recruits anymore in college. Look at when Hackett coached USC with the WCO. their recruiting tailed off big time. In comes Carroll, implents the spread offense (which recruits want) and their recruiting picks up big time to the point where USC is now one of the best recruiting teams. High school kids don't wanna play the WCO anymore, its not gonna work on the college level.

NDLyght37 12-15-2004 06:01 PM

All coaches are copycats. The WCO won a string of championships & everyone jumped on it. It can work in the pros, but it only works with some college teams, because you have to have the right personell to run it. You need an acurate QB with mobility, a solid RB who is a good reciever (or tight end) out of the backfield, and at least one quality reciever who can go over the middle.

QueensNY 12-15-2004 06:19 PM

Are Washington fans gonna want to wait for Ty to get the right personell. Their are some expectations to be met in Washington, it's a good fooball program.

Ty brought in the QB he wanted, Brady Quinn was his number one choice, he's had plenty of good backs, he recruited Stovall and Mcknight his first year, the two were highly touted recruits. Two of the best in the country.

I'm not a fan of the WCO at all.... I see the Raiders have dumped it. Jets need to dump it as well, and I'm glad ND will be dumping it.

NDLyght37 12-15-2004 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by QueensNY
Are Washington fans gonna want to wait for Ty to get the right personell. Their are some expectations to be met in Washington, it's a good fooball program.

Ty brought in the QB he wanted, Brady Quinn was his number one choice, he's had plenty of good backs, he recruited Stovall and Mcknight his first year, the two were highly touted recruits. Two of the best in the country.

I'm not a fan of the WCO at all.... I see the Raiders have dumped it. Jets need to dump it as well, and I'm glad ND will be dumping it.

I think UW fans will be very patient. I can easily see the Huskies going 5-6 next season. As far as when Ty first got to ND, he did a heck of a job with a bunch of option players.

seIRISH 12-15-2004 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ND 1987
If Ty had a weakness, it is recruiting. Regarding the success at New England, before his name came up at ND, I never once heard Weiss mentioned as crucial to New England's success. Weis has always worked for guys like Belichek and the Tuna who run the show. Granted Belichek is a defensive guy, New England's offense is what it is because of personnel.

Also- regarding players not wanting to play for Ty because of the offense he ran, this is total BS. This never held back Lou Holtz. Also, Willingham was running the west coast offense. It doesn't get any more NFL than that.

I am more certain Ty will bring back Washington than Weis bringing back ND.

I can already hear it 3 years from now. Your geniuses will be saying, "who was the stupid AD who hired a coach with zero head coaching experience and who hasn't played football beyond the 8th grade level."

I remember when Gerry Faust beat LSU in his first game and Sports Illustrated only half jokingly said ND might never lose another game under Faust. They were right. They didn't lose one. They lost 25. Weiss is Gery Faust with a gastric bypass. Two years at ND and he will be eating through a straw.

It'S amazing to me to read some of this. I must have been watching a differant team the last three years. Some people are claiming racism while others claim he just needed more time. I dont know why it is so hard for you to except he was not the right coach. He did not recruit well and more times then not got out coached. This may have been okay at Stanford were not much is expected. Did we really want to wait 6 years to go 8-3. And for everyone who will say they went to the Rose Bowl check out the competion in the Pac-10 that year. So now we have a new coach and just like last time we faced this I am not crying over the old one. Ty goes to Washington the team he was talking with before he got fired and I wish him luck. Wies on the other hand wont need luck because he has proven himself time and time again. He wants to be here and has no large buyout clause in his contract(that poor millonaire ty). So like I have posted before haters buy your jerseys now so can say you were down with him since day one.(We know how quickly adidas changes those darn things)

NDLyght37 12-16-2004 12:01 AM

Ty's a very smart man. The buyout's the same thing as getting a pre-nup...lol. I don't care who was in the Pac-10 that year...Stanford is Stanford, you can't hate on that accomplishment. Hopefully Wies will live up to the hype, but I stick by my thought that Willingham deserved 4 years.

jiggafini19 12-16-2004 10:53 AM

Ty got hosed because they wanted Urban. Simple as that.

More importantly, Charlie Weis spoke with Barrington IL OT Dan Doering and his parents last night for about 30 minutes. Bob Stoops, Kirk Ferentz and Phil Fulmer are hot on the trail as well. Doering is a key cog to the machine that will be the Class of 2008. Ty was laying the groundwork pretty well. Hopefully Weis can earn their trust soon.

Anyone know who is doing the recruiting? Are the players getting involved.

Go Colts, Go Steelers, Go Chargers...go anyone that can knock out the Pats in the playoffs.

Aerosmith777 12-16-2004 11:07 AM

I think it would be a miracle if he actually got Doering, unfortunately. But hey, this is Notre Dame, miracles happen (see "Rudy"). The O-line could certainly use him. I wouldn't mind if Weis promised him he'd start as a freshman if he came to South Bend. And as far as knocking out the Pats, I actually am now a Pats fan for the rest of this season b/c I think it actually helps ND if Weis is seen winning another ring. You know every single recruit in the country watches the Superbowl and at least most of the playoffs, and you know now that every Pats game the broadcasters are gonna spend some time talking about Weis and his impending move to Notre Dame. I think that kind of publicity actually helps the Irish recruiting effort.

jiggafini19 12-16-2004 01:45 PM

Good point. However, the sooner we can get Weis full time the better. The proof is already in the pudding.

NDLyght37 12-16-2004 06:01 PM

Weiss is putting together a great staff. If Ty had done that,,,,just playing (but it's true...lol).

BTW, funniest line I heard. During an argument about Willingham, someone said what if Ty had gone 8-3, would that make a difference. The reply...If Mario mendosa had hit .357, would there still be a Mendoza Line?

I'm a "Ty-Guy", and even I find that funny!

ND 1987 12-16-2004 09:45 PM

This just in:

(AP) South Bend, IN.: Notre Dame today announced that football coach Pat Weiss has been released from his duties as football coach following a closed session meeting by a three person committee of the University's Board of Trustee's. According to athletic director Kevin White, "Coach Weiss has been here one week and he has yet to produce a victory. He did a great job on Monday through Wednesday, but on Thursday, it became clear that he cannot consistently produce results."

Rumors have surfaced in South Bend that White and at least 3 other representatives are heading to the University of Montanta to recruit special teams coach Surburban Myers. Myers is a 1974 graduate of Notre Dame and a past winner of the 12 year old division of the NFL Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Earlier this year Myer's reportedly referred to Notre Dame's special teams as being reminiscent of a Pop Warner leage special teams where instead of punting, the ball is advanced 35 yards and the opposing team takes control.

QueensNY 12-16-2004 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND 1987
This just in:

(AP) South Bend, IN.: Notre Dame today announced that football coach Pat Weiss has been released from his duties as football coach following a closed session meeting by a three person committee of the University's Board of Trustee's. According to athletic director Kevin White, "Coach Weiss has been here one week and he has yet to produce a victory. He did a great job on Monday through Wednesday, but on Thursday, it became clear that he cannot consistently produce results."

Rumors have surfaced in South Bend that White and at least 3 other representatives are heading to the University of Montanta to recruit special teams coach Surburban Myers. Myers is a 1974 graduate of Notre Dame and a past winner of the 12 year old division of the NFL Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Earlier this year Myer's reportedly referred to Notre Dame's special teams as being reminiscent of a Pop Warner leage special teams where instead of punting, the ball is advanced 35 yards and the opposing team takes control.


Your posts are very silly. Weis is setting up the best coaching staff in college football right now. To be announced soon. Lots of big timers.

NDLyght37 12-16-2004 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND 1987
This just in:

(AP) South Bend, IN.: Notre Dame today announced that football coach Pat Weiss has been released from his duties as football coach following a closed session meeting by a three person committee of the University's Board of Trustee's. According to athletic director Kevin White, "Coach Weiss has been here one week and he has yet to produce a victory. He did a great job on Monday through Wednesday, but on Thursday, it became clear that he cannot consistently produce results."

Rumors have surfaced in South Bend that White and at least 3 other representatives are heading to the University of Montanta to recruit special teams coach Surburban Myers. Myers is a 1974 graduate of Notre Dame and a past winner of the 12 year old division of the NFL Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Earlier this year Myer's reportedly referred to Notre Dame's special teams as being reminiscent of a Pop Warner leage special teams where instead of punting, the ball is advanced 35 yards and the opposing team takes control.

Good satire. But Wies is putting together a good staff.

seIRISH 12-17-2004 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND 1987
This just in:

(AP) South Bend, IN.: Notre Dame today announced that football coach Pat Weiss has been released from his duties as football coach following a closed session meeting by a three person committee of the University's Board of Trustee's. According to athletic director Kevin White, "Coach Weiss has been here one week and he has yet to produce a victory. He did a great job on Monday through Wednesday, but on Thursday, it became clear that he cannot consistently produce results."

Rumors have surfaced in South Bend that White and at least 3 other representatives are heading to the University of Montanta to recruit special teams coach Surburban Myers. Myers is a 1974 graduate of Notre Dame and a past winner of the 12 year old division of the NFL Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Earlier this year Myer's reportedly referred to Notre Dame's special teams as being reminiscent of a Pop Warner leage special teams where instead of punting, the ball is advanced 35 yards and the opposing team takes control.

You could always just cheer for Washington or work for ESPN.

QueensNY 12-17-2004 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND 1987
This just in:

(AP) South Bend, IN.: Notre Dame today announced that football coach Pat Weiss has been released from his duties as football coach following a closed session meeting by a three person committee of the University's Board of Trustee's. According to athletic director Kevin White, "Coach Weiss has been here one week and he has yet to produce a victory. He did a great job on Monday through Wednesday, but on Thursday, it became clear that he cannot consistently produce results."

Rumors have surfaced in South Bend that White and at least 3 other representatives are heading to the University of Montanta to recruit special teams coach Surburban Myers. Myers is a 1974 graduate of Notre Dame and a past winner of the 12 year old division of the NFL Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Earlier this year Myer's reportedly referred to Notre Dame's special teams as being reminiscent of a Pop Warner leage special teams where instead of punting, the ball is advanced 35 yards and the opposing team takes control.


Thanks for posting Mrs. Willingham. Good luck in Washington, don't put up any high fences this time. Rubs neighbors the wrong way.

irishtexan 12-17-2004 07:32 PM

Thanks for posting Mrs. Willingham. Good luck in Washington, don't put up any high fences this time. Rubs neighbors the wrong way.

haha, that was great. ND 1987 you need to take your ass to a Washington board.

nayers 12-18-2004 01:00 PM

FINALLY!!!!. being out here in california, i am the only die hard ND fan i know...everyone loves either USC, or UCLA...for years i have had to put up with the teasing and jokes after my team goes 5-7,or gets blown out for some mediocre team. I have stuck by them in the good years (1993 when the championship was stolen from us) and through the bad ones (the whole davie era, and losingham era) but in these last couple days, i have called all the haters and informed them to do one of two things, 1. Get all the ND bashing out of your system now, because soon, you wont have anything to make fun of. or 2. Just like you jumped on the USC bandwagon, now you need to jump off, and jump onto the ND bandwagon because ND is coming back to the top. THANK YOU TOUCHDOWN JESUS! This is the best hier, i didn;t like Meyer, i didn't like petrino, let's face it, our student section alone can basically fill up there entire stadiums. I am not interested in someone who can coach against WAC schools who basically have the average talent of most 1A high schools, i am interested in someone who has proven he can win at the highest level, and now we have him. After years of making stupid calls and decisions, the administration has finally done something right

seIRISH 12-18-2004 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nayers
FINALLY!!!!. being out here in california, i am the only die hard ND fan i know...everyone loves either USC, or UCLA...for years i have had to put up with the teasing and jokes after my team goes 5-7,or gets blown out for some mediocre team. I have stuck by them in the good years (1993 when the championship was stolen from us) and through the bad ones (the whole davie era, and losingham era) but in these last couple days, i have called all the haters and informed them to do one of two things, 1. Get all the ND bashing out of your system now, because soon, you wont have anything to make fun of. or 2. Just like you jumped on the USC bandwagon, now you need to jump off, and jump onto the ND bandwagon because ND is coming back to the top. THANK YOU TOUCHDOWN JESUS! This is the best hier, i didn;t like Meyer, i didn't like petrino, let's face it, our student section alone can basically fill up there entire stadiums. I am not interested in someone who can coach against WAC schools who basically have the average talent of most 1A high schools, i am interested in someone who has proven he can win at the highest level, and now we have him. After years of making stupid calls and decisions, the administration has finally done something right

You are not the only on in Cali.I live in LA the bandwagon does not get any bigger then here. Going to any sporting gear store and have to walk to the 10 rows of sc stuff to the one nd rack.Every person from 5 to 90 asking do they have any more sc stuff and who won the Superbowl last year. The new guy has fire and will make the right moves to get us back to championship.

jiggafini19 12-21-2004 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seIRISH
You are not the only on in Cali.I live in LA the bandwagon does not get any bigger then here. Going to any sporting gear store and have to walk to the 10 rows of sc stuff to the one nd rack.Every person from 5 to 90 asking do they have any more sc stuff and who won the Superbowl last year. The new guy has fire and will make the right moves to get us back to championship.

USC is the only game in town...no NFL team to speak of. I live in Chicago....we only have a defense. Guess that's better than nothing.

jiggafini19 12-21-2004 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND 1987
This just in:

(AP) South Bend, IN.: Notre Dame today announced that football coach Pat Weiss has been released from his duties as football coach following a closed session meeting by a three person committee of the University's Board of Trustee's. According to athletic director Kevin White, "Coach Weiss has been here one week and he has yet to produce a victory. He did a great job on Monday through Wednesday, but on Thursday, it became clear that he cannot consistently produce results."

Rumors have surfaced in South Bend that White and at least 3 other representatives are heading to the University of Montanta to recruit special teams coach Surburban Myers. Myers is a 1974 graduate of Notre Dame and a past winner of the 12 year old division of the NFL Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Earlier this year Myer's reportedly referred to Notre Dame's special teams as being reminiscent of a Pop Warner leage special teams where instead of punting, the ball is advanced 35 yards and the opposing team takes control.

Well done 1987!!! Best Dan Rather impersonation ever. I thought this was actually an AP report until I started reading. Good stuff.

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