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  • Well if JOK doesn’t go to Green Bay he’s not going tonight. No one left has a need. Insane.

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    • GB quick to the podium....

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      • Newsome! yikes Cleveland -only 6 games played in 2018 hurt, 8 starts in 9 games in 2019 hurt , all 6 games in 2020 then injured in b10 champ . 18 starts total - 15 penalties - 1 career INT. Regardless of what the “metrics” and PFF stuff says , the odds that pick works out for Cleveland at a 1st round value is close to zero

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        • Really surprised that JOK is the player that fell out of the 1st rd. He’s an exceptional young man with phenomenal film and production. Weird.

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          • Yeah that's how you make Aaron Rodgers happy. GB just doesn't give a shit about appeasing him.
            60% of the time, it works every time.

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            • Seems like a great fit for the modern nfl... bizarre
              Based Mullet Kid owns

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              • Stokes. Brutal. Pro Day winner and see a need so you fill it with the next SEC CB that makes sense. Stokes showed little lockdown abilities compared to other CBs, all scheme. That pick stinks.


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                • Originally posted by Irishnuke View Post
                  Yeah that's how you make Aaron Rodgers happy. GB just doesn't give a shit about appeasing him.
                  It’s like they want to piss him off and make him play. Don’t get it.

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                  • Gotta be honest, these final picks of the first round are taking forever to get in. Even when the "pick is in" it is taking ages.
                    "Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"

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                    • Originally posted by NorthDakota View Post
                      Seems like a great fit for the modern nfl... bizarre
                      That he does. Don’t get it.

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                      • Originally posted by BeauBenken View Post
                        Gotta be honest, these final picks of the first round are taking forever to get in. Even when the "pick is in" it is taking ages.
                        It's been like this the whole dang time. I think they just drag it on towards the end to get well into the 11PM CDT hour

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                        • Did he measure weird or something?

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                          • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                            Did he measure weird or something?
                            Underweight? That's the only thing I could think. Maybe teams are just that scared, especially because Simmons was mediocre at best this past year, and Simmons is his best comparison.

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                            • Telling y’all JOK only had a limited teams that saw him as a “fit”. You don’t want to miss on a undersized LB. Need a CB, take a CB. Need a pass rush, take the 6’4 DEs. This isn’t JOK falling. It’s the few that could have taken him going a different way and the others being scared to.

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                              • I am absolutely shocked JOK fell out of the first. He is way better than Oweh.

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                                • Shit. Sucks for JOK
                                  60% of the time, it works every time.

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                                  • Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post

                                    Underweight? That's the only thing I could think. Maybe teams are just that scared, especially because Simmons was mediocre at best this past year, and Simmons is his best comparison.
                                    I think his best comparison is Patrick Queen. And he was pretty damn good.

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                                    • JOK and Eichenberg will both be early trade up candidates. Depends who teams prefer of Liam, Jenkins and a few others.

                                      Barmore is the other I’d guess sees someone trade up. He’s top 15 talent wise just has had some questions arise on him


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                                      • Sucks for our boy but he'll be alright. Wonder where he'll go.
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                                        • I feel sorry for the first guy JOK tackles on day 1.

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                                          • How about Mayock in three years going Ferrell (early), Ruggs, and Leatherwood (early)? Tired of CFB and only watch the Playoff?

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                                            • Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post
                                              I think the Bengals picked well. I'm no Cincy fan, but the dropoff from Chase to the 2nd round guys is bigger than the OTs. Sewell has all the potential in the world, and Slater is good, but Daniel Jeremiah (probably my go-to guy for draft stuff) has had Slater above Sewell for forever. Get a good tackle at the top of 2, and a guard in 3 and you gotta feel great about the Bengals.
                                              Some OTs people like as R1 guys will likely be there at R2 Pick 6, if you like them and can get a OT in R2 it’s not bad. I’d be thinking move up to be sure or pray to god someone doesn’t jump you

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                                              • Besides Utah this is an incredibly unsurprising list. Keep hammering away down in Georgia.

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                                                • Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
                                                  Really surprised that JOK is the player that fell out of the 1st rd. He’s an exceptional young man with phenomenal film and production. Weird.
                                                  Teams don't draft on being an exceptional young man, but I get it. Someone is getting a bargain in the 2nd round. When he was available for the Colts, I thought Ballard would grab him given how long they took to announce the pick. As a Colts fan I'm not excited about Paye.

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                                                  • This is another example of how much we over inflate our team's talent. We're not even close to have a roster than can compete with Bama seriously, and why we need to be critical about recruiting and not think every guy is a steal.

                                                    On the flip side, BK is doing an outstanding job with "some good talent".

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                                                    • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post
                                                      This is another example of how much we over inflate our team's talent. We're not even close to have a roster than can compete with Bama seriously, and why we need to be critical about recruiting and not think every guy is a steal.

                                                      On the flip side, BK is doing an outstanding job with "some good talent".
                                                      We don't overinflate our team talent. ESPN has JOK rated the 12th best player, just some teams didn't agree. We have 7-10 guys that will get drafted. We're not on the level of 3 teams on average: Bama, Clemson, tOSU. But guess what, they almost always finish in the top 4 of recruiting rankings. We're not getting a ton of top-50 guys but we're headed in the right direction. Why do we need to be critical about recrutiing? We don't control shit and the staff has proven very adept at finding incredibly talented guys, JOK is case in point.

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                                                      • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post
                                                        This is another example of how much we over inflate our team's talent. We're not even close to have a roster than can compete with Bama seriously, and why we need to be critical about recruiting and not think every guy is a steal.

                                                        On the flip side, BK is doing an outstanding job with "some good talent".
                                                        I think that takeaway quickly has some odd equivalencies. Does that mean Va Tech and NW are closer in talent to Bama than Ohio State? Does that mean 2020 ND was less talented than previous teams?

                                                        Last night proved its a WR league and Bama is dominant, not sure much more than that

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                                                        • The lack of elite talent is holding us back immensely though. When you have ~3 first rounders, you can punch above your weight class in a single game by having a great game plan based on matchups. We just don't have any of that other than Kyle Hamilton? I would trade 3 superstars for 6 starters any day to give us a better chance.

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                                                          • Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post
                                                            Fields to the Bears, wow. Would not have ever guessed that 4 months ago.
                                                            Four hours of hearing people's names called and this was easily the most entertaining part of it all. It was shocking. I really figured Denver was going to get Fields.

                                                            Most GMs don't get to draft two QBs. I think Fields fits what Matt Nagy would like to do on offense. It was a bold move and from what I can gather their fans seem pretty excited about it. Or those are all just Twitter bots.
                                                            It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                            • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post

                                                              Four hours of hearing people's names called and this was easily the most entertaining part of it all. It was shocking. I really figured Denver was going to get Fields.

                                                              Most GMs don't get to draft two QBs. I think Fields fits what Matt Nagy would like to do on offense. It was a bold move and from what I can gather their fans seem pretty excited about it. Or those are all just Twitter bots.
                                                              Fields may turn out to be great, but the history of OSU QB's is they flame out faster than a comet. I'm probably wrong, but I think this was a risky take for the Bears.

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                                                              • Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post

                                                                Fields may turn out to be great, but the history of OSU QB's is they flame out faster than a comet. I'm probably wrong, but I think this was a risky take for the Bears.
                                                                they gotta make something happen though, i liked the pick
                                                                What did Davonte do?

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                                                                • Can't say I am "completely" shocked about JOKs fall.

                                                                  I think Kelly's word choice yesterday was very, tip of the cap.
                                                                  "He's a player with special tools..."

                                                                  I think Kelly heard GMs (etc) talk about JOK being talked about as a player that is almost, too, specialized. Not "complete" enough to warrant using a first pick on to anchor down your box. More of "super special, specialist" type of player.

                                                                  Sucks, and I hope he proves everyone wrong. I think he lost some money by not showing enough at more "traditional" LB positions. I wonder if in hindsight moving him some (sort of like what Drue did) would have benefitted him. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

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                                                                  • I’m a Fields believer. His performance after getting his ribs smashed against Clemson was unbelievable.

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                                                                    • I’m actually a Fields believer as well.

                                                                      I can’t remember which ND writer said this but Fields was a mentor at the Elite 11 before his Sophomore year at OSU. The scuttle butt was that if you removed preconceived notions of who those guys were, he was the most impressive there. And, there were a lot of guys you’d expect to be ahead of him, at that time.

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                                                                      • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post
                                                                        The lack of elite talent is holding us back immensely though. When you have ~3 first rounders, you can punch above your weight class in a single game by having a great game plan based on matchups. We just don't have any of that other than Kyle Hamilton? I would trade 3 superstars for 6 starters any day to give us a better chance.
                                                                        Especially at QB. Look at the four playoff teams. Three 1st rounders and Book.
                                                                        "The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood." - Lou Holtz

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                                                                        • It’ll be interesting, not sure what time of the draft I’ll start to feel it but maybe McShay or someone will toss it out there and spark the thought, does someone fall in love with Tremble? Probably won’t be looking for his name early tonight but at some point it will cross the mind

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                                                                          • Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
                                                                            I’m actually a Fields believer as well.

                                                                            I can’t remember which ND writer said this but Fields was a mentor at the Elite 11 before his Sophomore year at OSU. The scuttle butt was that if you removed preconceived notions of who those guys were, he was the most impressive there. And, there were a lot of guys you’d expect to be ahead of him, at that time.
                                                                            I’d have taken Fields 2nd. I think the gap between him and Lawrence is large but his tear down pre draft has been silly.

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                                                                            • What did Davonte do?

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                                                                              • I'm out fam
                                                                                What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                • That was hilarious. I don’t know why but it just cracks me up he gives them a look and just casually walks away.

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                                                                                  • It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by NDRock View Post

                                                                                      Especially at QB. Look at the four playoff teams. Three 1st rounders and Book.
                                                                                      You know what pisses me off to no end?

                                                                                      Historical Juggernaut Notre Dame QB's since my senior year in college:
                                                                                      Golson
                                                                                      Zaire
                                                                                      Kizer (2nd? Round)
                                                                                      WImbush
                                                                                      Book

                                                                                      FCS North Dakota State's QB's since my senior year:
                                                                                      Carson F'ing Wentz (lottery pick by Eagles)
                                                                                      Easton Stick (5th round pick by Chargers)
                                                                                      Trey Lance (lottery pick by 49ers)

                                                                                      How can Notre Dame not get/develop elite QB's but a school up here can? I would drown a litter of puppies if it meant we could have had a Wentz or a Lance.

                                                                                      I'm just gonna start forwarding Kelly a list of whatever QB commits NDSU has.
                                                                                      Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                                                                      • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post


                                                                                        I'm out fam
                                                                                        Still trying to figure this one out. Was he being intentionally funny? Was he just focused on walking out on the stage? Was he nervous and simply forgot to react with his family? I sure don't think he was being self-centered and unconcerned about his family, as he has a huge rep for being Mr. Humble and is relentlessly funny, self-effacing, and upbeat. I have to admit it was funny, though. If you haven't seen it, his mom posted a video message to him last night, telling him why she'd been so strict and tough on him growing up and how incredibly proud of him she was. It dang near made me cry.
                                                                                        Winners see success and want to climb up to its level. Losers see success and want to drag it down to their own.

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                                                                                        • He was with celebratory with family earlier when he was on the phone. Just funny timing and secondary reaction

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                                                                                          • I think he was being intentionally funny. Because he seems to briefly pause, look at them, and then casually walk away.

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                                                                                            • yeah and he probably already had gotten the call from the team 5/10 mins earlier and probably celebrated with the family then
                                                                                              What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                              • Originally posted by IrishRazor82 View Post
                                                                                                This is another example of how much we over inflate our team's talent. We're not even close to have a roster than can compete with Bama seriously, and why we need to be critical about recruiting and not think every guy is a steal.

                                                                                                On the flip side, BK is doing an outstanding job with "some good talent".
                                                                                                This is an extremely hot take on multiple levels.

                                                                                                If you are basing this on last nights first round there is no school that can compete with Alabama. Alabama had a record tying 6 player selected in the first round. Let's look at how many first round selections some other major programs had.

                                                                                                OSU - 1
                                                                                                LSU - 1
                                                                                                UGA - 1 (pick 29)
                                                                                                Oklahoma - 0
                                                                                                Texas A&M - 0 (The first team out of the playoffs in 2020)
                                                                                                Michigan - 1

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                                                                                                • I've liked Fields since he was a recruit. There is a toughness there that I really like for the position but I do feel like his numbers back up warranting going after him the way the Bears did. Yes, Ohio State doesn't produce NFL QBs and the Chicago Bears have not developed them, but this move shows they at least might have a shred of self awareness in that room. Pace and Nagy have gotten an opportunity most GMs and HCs don't get. I like the boldness. Maybe it doesn't work, but fuck, no risk it means no biscuit. People were buzzed about the Fields pick at the White Sox game in late April as it happened.

                                                                                                  I know there are plenty of contrarions who don't like the move and are predicting it to fail, whether that's the ESPN counterpoint or legit punditry, but I think overall this move was well received and applauded. I was surprised by it and thought it was the wow moment of the draft.

                                                                                                  Now I look forward to seeing some Domers come off the board this weekend.
                                                                                                  It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                                                                  • My biggest red flag for Fields is that the Bears picked him lol. It's a great gamble, way better than Mac Jones that ESPN was trying to push to the Bears the whole time "the pick was in".

                                                                                                    Lol at the ESPN talking heads keep talking about "the Bears trading up to get Mac Jones. It's a lot but they're getting their guy." Meanwhile we're watching Mac Jones stare at his phone, and Justin Fields' empty room at his house.

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post
                                                                                                      My biggest red flag for Fields is that the Bears picked him lol. It's a great gamble, way better than Mac Jones that ESPN was trying to push to the Bears the whole time "the pick was in".

                                                                                                      Lol at the ESPN talking heads keep talking about "the Bears trading up to get Mac Jones. It's a lot but they're getting their guy." Meanwhile we're watching Mac Jones stare at his phone, and Justin Fields' empty room at his house.
                                                                                                      I'm not really sure what you were watching. But, Luis Riddick last night was on top of Matt Nagy's finger prints all over the trade to move up and draft Fields before the selection. He mentioned once the trade was announced, before the pick was in, that Nagy loved Watson back in 2017 and Nagy beleives Fields will be as good or better than Watson on the football field.

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