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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: &quot;The new XFL will kick off in 2020, and quite frankly, we're going to give the game of football back to fans.&quot; - <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a> <a href="https://t.co/t6B6jm7vgZ">pic.twitter.com/t6B6jm7vgZ</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/956618242562301952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Our approach to presenting games will be multi-platform, which will allow us to engage fans and customize the viewing experience in ways that were unimaginable just a few years ago.&quot; - <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/XFL2020?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#XFL2020 </a> <a href="https://t.co/eVqmqgWyjr">pic.twitter.com/eVqmqgWyjr</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/956619044676780032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a> announces new pro football league, XFL. Follow <a href="https://twitter.com/xfl2020?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@XFL2020</a> for updates! <a href="https://t.co/ujXmKRf9Ux">https://t.co/ujXmKRf9Ux</a> <a href="https://t.co/mij0Cezz1f">pic.twitter.com/mij0Cezz1f</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/956618864632188929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    Gotta add this one too...

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is football reimagined. This is the XFL. Watch the official announcement — LIVE NOW! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/XFL2020?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#XFL2020 </a> <a href="https://t.co/KFX5oLmkHw">https://t.co/KFX5oLmkHw</a></p>&mdash; XFL (@xfl2020) <a href="https://twitter.com/xfl2020/status/956617733986111489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    Last edited by connor_in; 01-25-2018, 03:17 PM.
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  • #2
    BK maybe able to finally make it to the (semi) Pro's!

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    • #3
      Don't understand McMahon's decision to exclude anyone with a criminal charge? I feel like he's really limiting the players he can choose from then, which also goes against the culture I'd expect he's going for?

      Must be a liability thing?

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      • #4
        I still have my XFL ball from when the league originally launched. Think I watched all of about 3 games haha.

        HE HATE ME

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        • #5
          <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/XFL2020?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#XFL2020 </a> <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a></p>&mdash; Johnny Manziel (@JManziel2) <a href="https://twitter.com/JManziel2/status/956620385784553472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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          Btw, did y'all know that Johnny was signed by a CFL team? And that he's holding out for money because he wants to be the highest paid player in the league?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cali_domer View Post
            BK maybe able to finally make it to the (semi) Pro's!
            Just fyi, I had post this in the Brian Kelly Revisited thread earlier

            <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once the inevitable XFL revival is announced today, I&#39;m ready to lob a &quot;Brian Kelly is interviewing with the San Francisco Demons&quot; rumor into Rock&#39;s House and watch NDN self-destruct.</p>&mdash; 1st Down Moses (@1stDownMoses) <a href="https://twitter.com/1stDownMoses/status/956576013839986688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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            Fan since Vagas Ferguson and Jerome Heavens!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by koonja View Post
              Don't understand McMahon's decision to exclude anyone with a criminal charge? I feel like he's really limiting the players he can choose from then, which also goes against the culture I'd expect he's going for?

              Must be a liability thing?
              The XFL's problem the first time around was that there was too much gimmicky shit and too much emphasis on the "bad boy" stuff, when there was actual quality football being played.

              The decent quality of football got drowned out by all the other noise. I think they learned from those lessons, and are going to make this version much closer to a clean, no-nonsense product.

              There is a LOT of money to be made if they play it the way I think they actually intend on going, which is as a minor league to the NFL, where they can offer top high school prospects decent contracts and payment for their services for three years until they're ready for the big league, and where they can offer former college stars or name-brand NFL washouts the chance to keep playing.

              It will never be as "good" as the NFL, but it will be home to young stars with NFL dreams, as well as recognizable names that can play quality football.

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              • #8
                Will the XFL allow high school players to join?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
                  The XFL's problem the first time around was that there was too much gimmicky shit and too much emphasis on the "bad boy" stuff, when there was actual quality football being played.

                  The decent quality of football got drowned out by all the other noise. I think they learned from those lessons, and are going to make this version much closer to a clean, no-nonsense product.

                  There is a LOT of money to be made if they play it the way I think they actually intend on going, which is as a minor league to the NFL, where they can offer top high school prospects decent contracts and payment for their services for three years until they're ready for the big league, and where they can offer former college stars or name-brand NFL washouts the chance to keep playing.

                  It will never be as "good" as the NFL, but it will be home to young stars with NFL dreams, as well as recognizable names that can play quality football.
                  use a damn regular football and not the nerf looking one they used to use , no stupid nicknames to start and i will watch...and keep it exactly like nfl rules....that's why i can't watch canadian football, arena etc too weird to watch with different rules
                  EMPTY SPACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT HOT TAKE

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by zelezo vlk View Post
                    Will the XFL allow high school players to join?
                    I really hope they let players join right out of high school. It could really help even the playing field for us.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SouthSideChiDomer View Post
                      I really hope they let players join right out of high school. It could really help even the playing field for us.
                      and hopefully less juco players going to fbs schools instead going straight to xfl before getting drafted in NFL
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                      • #12
                        <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nfl</a>… so does this mean we can start wearing nicknames… or do we still have to legally change our name like <a href="https://twitter.com/ochocinco?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ochocinco</a>? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/askingforafriend?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >#askingforafriend</a> <a href="https://t.co/tV8BpopipS">pic.twitter.com/tV8BpopipS</a></p>&mdash; Tyler Eifert (@tylereifert) <a href="https://twitter.com/tylereifert/status/956624476892028928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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                        • #13
                          I'm so excited...

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                          • #14
                            Semi-serious question... Could Vince inadvertently save college football in this whole process? The 'crooting game is going to be a lot less dirty if all of the kids looking to get paid go to the XFL.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                              Semi-serious question... Could Vince inadvertently save college football in this whole process? The 'crooting game is going to be a lot less dirty if all of the kids looking to get paid go to the XFL.
                              Literally having this discussion right now in my office. If kids can play a year or two in college and "star"... and then get offered a six figure salary from the XFL... a lot of them are going to bounce. Muarice Clarrett, etc. would've gone to the XFL for sure if they offered him like $200k.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                Literally having this discussion right now in my office. If kids can play a year or two in college and "star"... and then get offered a six figure salary from the XFL... a lot of them are going to bounce. Muarice Clarrett, etc. would've gone to the XFL for sure if they offered him like $200k.
                                I’d take it a step further, and say some of the generational recruits will sign XFL straight out of high school.

                                A guy like Leonard Fournette could’ve signed a 3-year XFL contract straight out of high school, developing on the field AND earning a paycheck while waiting out the NFL’s 3-year rule.

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                                • #17
                                  Love it.

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                                  • #18
                                    Let's be honest. Will the XFL actually have better talent on the field than your average Top 25 college football team? All I see playing in the XFL are a bunch of wannabes and washed up ex players/retired dudes. Thrown in your talented high ceiling college sophomores.

                                    The 1st generation XFL's best player, HE HATE ME, played at Western Kentucky. Not exactly a football blue blood or top 25 regular.
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                                    "Fvck Michigan" - The World

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                                    • #19
                                      I would definitely give the physicality aspect to the XFL but only because it'll be a bunch of steroid shooters/pill poppers.

                                      With that said, I'll be watching.
                                      "Fvck Michigan" - The World

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Henges24 View Post
                                        I would definitely give the physicality aspect to the XFL but only because it'll be a bunch of steroid shooters/pill poppers.

                                        With that said, I'll be watching.
                                        No steroid freaks or pill poppers in the NFL or CFB? Lol... PLEASE

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                                        • #21
                                          My understanding is that they're dropping all of the "extreme" stuff. No more strippers and whatnot.

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                                          • #22
                                            When will McMahon learn to stay in his lane...there goes Ahab again, chasing the white whale...this thing is DOA.

                                            The NFL had a brutal year overall in 2017 to be sure; but there will NEVER...EVER be a legit threat to it in professional football.

                                            EVER

                                            we got college football, we got the NFL...(and high school for many)...and that's it.

                                            I have a headache already anticipating having to listen to this McMahon for the next 2 years hyping his garbage league.

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                              My understanding is that they're dropping all of the "extreme" stuff. No more strippers and whatnot.
                                              That's great news.

                                              Funnier than you in 2012.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by loomis41973 View Post
                                                No steroid freaks or pill poppers in the NFL or CFB? Lol... PLEASE
                                                ...PLEASE crunch the numbers between the three, for me. We'll see who has the more bigger steroid problem.

                                                I'll wait...
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                                                • #25
                                                  World is not the same as it was at the first launch. I think there is room. As others have said...Many kids will find a good living at 18, and maybe turn that into a pro career...and stop playing school. Maybe VM will set aside educational funds for after the XFL...who knows...but he is right...he has the chance to re-imagine the operating paradigm and the game, and it could be good.

                                                  The culture that is created is critical for the XFL to be a suitable substitute for the NCAA...ie, the game can't be a farse, and the organizations need to be serious, and they need to establish a way to mentor young players, and keep them out of trouble.

                                                  If he turns it into a respectable "trade school" option to the NCAA, he might be on to something.

                                                  I'm hoping he pulls it off.
                                                  One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Eh. I'll check it out when the time comes but I'll probably forget it long before it launches, if it does. The old XFL was good for a laugh if nothing else but I do think having a semi-pro league other than college(Which it basically is) isn't a bad thing.

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                                                    • #27
                                                      These off leagues always pump out the worst uniforms. I dont understand. Keep it simple and people will take you more seriously. It is impossible to take this seriously:



                                                      *Honestly, that could be Mike Singletary but he would still look like a pussy

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                                                      • #28
                                                        Originally posted by Henges24 View Post
                                                        ...PLEASE crunch the numbers between the three, for me. We'll see who has the more bigger steroid problem.

                                                        I'll wait...
                                                        Honest question, how do you know? The only guy in college I remember getting busted for steroids was the QB from the Gators. Obviously, he’s not the only one doing it. Seems like testing at the NCAA level isn’t very good.
                                                        "The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood." - Lou Holtz

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Vince does have a good point. So many of us cry after the superbowl saying we have to wait 7 months for football.. There is a demand for more football if done right...

                                                          You guys are lying if in 2020 opening night in Feb, you have Johnny Manziel led Las Vegas Outlaws, vs Colin Kaepernick's La Extreme... You are going to watch... The key is to not make it gimmicky and I think you have something. Also heard Vince is looking to do 2 halves, and have no commercials during the half, much like soccer.. Keep the game around 2-2 1/2 hours long... I think it could work

                                                          No it will not compete against NFL or CFB, but can it compete to an alternative to games 50 through 80 in NBA and NHL? Yeah I think it can, no one cares about those sports until playoffs anyway

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                                                          • #30
                                                            I do miss NFL Europe.

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                                                            • #31
                                                              The best potential rule change I've seen floated is "no punting." Punting is boring. You have four downs to convert. If you fail, you turn the ball over. Simple.

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                                                              • #32
                                                                you just know this league is gonna be so ham fisted on the America is great/support the troops mantra.
                                                                What did Davonte do?

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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                  you just know this league is gonna be so ham fisted on the America is great/support the troops mantra.
                                                                  Yes, but in today's meme culture, I actually think it could work.

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                    Yes, but in today's meme culture, I actually think it could work.
                                                                    the fact that the logo is red, white and blue lol. It's got the subtlety of an anvil in the face.
                                                                    What did Davonte do?

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                      the fact that the logo is red, white and blue lol. It's got the subtlety of an anvil in the face.
                                                                      Doesn't nearly every major sports league in the US have a red white and blue logo?

                                                                      Funnier than you in 2012.

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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                        The best potential rule change I've seen floated is "no punting." Punting is boring. You have four downs to convert. If you fail, you turn the ball over. Simple.
                                                                        Punt returns are awesome though. Kickoffs are what suck.

                                                                        Funnier than you in 2012.

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                                                                        • #37
                                                                          Originally posted by koonja View Post
                                                                          Don't understand McMahon's decision to exclude anyone with a criminal charge? I feel like he's really limiting the players he can choose from then, which also goes against the culture I'd expect he's going for?

                                                                          Must be a liability thing?
                                                                          Agreed. I think he’s trying ti appeal to fans weary of the spousal abuse, drugs, etc. But, to your point; why not let everyone back w/ a “one strike & you’re out” policy? Within reason of course, I wouldn’t want OJ to start rehabbing his knees.

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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                            My understanding is that they're dropping all of the "extreme" stuff. No more strippers and whatnot.
                                                                            Say what u want about McMahon....dude knows how to market and appeal to the masses. He sees what is turning some of the public away while realizing most fans just want more football. He realizes concussions are a real concern vs the XFL days...& he doesn’t want a class action suit down the road.

                                                                            If he can stick to his claim of zero politics & zero social debates, it could be a nice outlet for fans to enjoy football and get away from life for a few hours. I wish he would make ut a minor league system to attract the HS kids who have zero interest in college & want to get paid now. Would love to see their reaction when they’re not instant millionaires and not getting near the exposure of CFB.

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                                                                            • #39
                                                                              Originally posted by greyhammer90 View Post
                                                                              Doesn't nearly every major sports league in the US have a red white and blue logo?
                                                                              yeah but the original XFL logo was different, that's my point. This current incarnation sounds like very much like it's trying to fit in, not stand out.
                                                                              What did Davonte do?

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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                                The best potential rule change I've seen floated is "no punting." Punting is boring. You have four downs to convert. If you fail, you turn the ball over. Simple.
                                                                                no way....punt returns can be huuuge momentum changers...plus it factors into strategy w/ pinning them back, potential for a block punt or shank...
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                                                                                • #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by PANDFAN View Post
                                                                                  no way....punt returns can be huuuge momentum changers...plus it factors into strategy w/ pinning them back, potential for a block punt or shank...
                                                                                  Punt returns are fun, not super dangerous, and, to me at least, are an integral part of the game that completely changes the strategy if you eliminate them. Kickoffs, on the other hand, are most often not fun, the single most dangerous play in the game, and can be replaced with other things and it wouldn't change super different.

                                                                                  This chart party video actually has some fun suggestions as replacements for kickoffs:
                                                                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SsIKgwvz4

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                                                                                  • #42
                                                                                    Any news leaks on potential cities for the teams? Just heard large-medium markets.
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                                                                                    • #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                      you just know this league is gonna be so ham fisted on the America is great/support the troops mantra.
                                                                                      ...kind of a perceived opening at the moment. If the league started tomorrow, it would be an attack point. I can't see the NFL letting that vulnerability hang out there for two tears.

                                                                                      We'll see if it is overplayed in 2020.

                                                                                      Anyway I think VM should focus less on being competition to the NFL, and more about an alternative to kids who don't want to go to college...paiRing them with veterans who are good stewards, examples. Then get quality coaches and make a couple success stories who make NFL rosters. At that point the NFL has to seriously consider buying him out.
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                                                                                      • #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                                        The best potential rule change I've seen floated is "no punting." Punting is boring. You have four downs to convert. If you fail, you turn the ball over. Simple.
                                                                                        Punts are only boring if you're an ND fan . . . fair catch . . . fair catch . . . fair catch . . .
                                                                                        When God does the big things, the little people get drawn in too. Human systems often forget that, but God doesn’t.- N.T. Wright "from "Simply Jesus"

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                                                                                        • #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                                                                          The best potential rule change I've seen floated is "no punting." Punting is boring. You have four downs to convert. If you fail, you turn the ball over. Simple.
                                                                                          ND commit, Luke Jones, plays at Pulaski Academy for a coach who rarely punts & almost always on-sides kick after a score. The coach’s name is Kevin Kelly. He gets a lot of eye rolls for his philosophy but a lot of college & pro coaches have reached out to discuss his reasonng on this...incl Belichick.

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                                                                                          • #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                                                            ND commit, Luke Jones, plays at Pulaski Academy for a coach who rarely punts & almost always on-sides kick after a score. The coach’s name is Kevin Kelly. He gets a lot of eye rolls for his philosophy but a lot of college & pro coaches have reached out to discuss his reasonng on this...incl Belichick.
                                                                                            his reasoning for this is based on the fact that generally HS kickers and punters suck. it wouldn't apply really in the Pro's.

                                                                                            he did integrate a policy in his offense though that says any offensive player can lateral the ball at any time if they so wish which is kinda fun. there are videos on youtube.
                                                                                            What did Davonte do?

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                                                                                            • #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                                                                                              his reasoning for this is based on the fact that generally HS kickers and punters suck. it wouldn't apply really in the Pro's.

                                                                                              he did integrate a policy in his offense though that says any offensive player can lateral the ball at any time if they so wish which is kinda fun. there are videos on youtube.
                                                                                              Yeah, the punters and kickers are bad enough at the high school level that the field position doesn't change enough to justify NOT trying to go for it on fourth down. It's a big-time mathematical thing.

                                                                                              You can punt and try to flip the field position, but your opponent's scoring chances will never drop great enough to outwiegh the statistical advantage of going for it on fourth down, and trying to manufacture the yards on your own terms.

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                                                                                              • #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
                                                                                                Yeah, the punters and kickers are bad enough at the high school level that the field position doesn't change enough to justify NOT trying to go for it on fourth down. It's a big-time mathematical thing.

                                                                                                You can punt and try to flip the field position, but your opponent's scoring chances will never drop great enough to outwiegh the statistical advantage of going for it on fourth down, and trying to manufacture the yards on your own terms.
                                                                                                Yup. IIRC, Kelly is a math major and really dissected the statistical analysis of the different options.

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                                                                                                • #49
                                                                                                  He can try to go extreme, try to fit in or do something in the middle. Bottom line, it's not going to work.

                                                                                                  1. All leagues have pretty much expanded to most major cities, so they are going to go head to head for customer loyalty, even if they don't play during the regular NFL season. Do I buy XFL or NFL season tickets?
                                                                                                  2. Revenue from people in the stands probably won't be enough to keep it afloat. Can he land a large TV contract that will keep him going for 4-5 years to build a following?
                                                                                                  3. Where will they play? People that pay to watch FB want a decent stadium with decent amenities.
                                                                                                  4. Any idea why the NBA D league or minor league hockey aren't killing it? It's because the best talent isn't playing in those leagues.

                                                                                                  If they take kids straight out of HS, this would probably impact a lot of the big time programs, including ND.

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                                                                                                  • #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                                                                                    If they take kids straight out of HS, this would probably impact a lot of the big time programs, including ND.
                                                                                                    Lol no. This can only help ND. Notre Dame recruits kids that at least somewhat value an education. If XFL poaches high school kids, they're poaching the ones that have no interest in playing school, i.e. the ones going to football factories.

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