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    So the San Diego newspaper floated an idea today that if the Chargers move to LA, the Raiders could move to San Diego.

    Court the Raiders if Bolts won't play ball | UTSanDiego.com

    The gist is the existing San Diego Stadium, which still needs to be replaced, is better than what Oakland plays at right now. And San Diego may not have enough time to build something new for the Chargers but they could do something in several years for the Raiders.

    Anyways...

    IF this were to happen, do you think the new team should keep the Raiders name/history or start new.

    Personally, I think they would have to start new as the Raiders and their fans are hated in San Diego like no other. You would need a clean break for it to work. But that's a lot of history to go away.....

  • #2
    The whole thing falls short to me with the notion that The Murph is some huge upgrade on the Oakland Coliseum... it'd be moving from one of the worst venues in pro sports to one of the worst venues in pro sports.
    This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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    • #3
      Two questions from the article:

      1. Why don't the Chargers just pay for their own damn stadium?

      2. Who in the hell cuts Mark Davis' hair? Yeesh.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Black Irish View Post
        Two questions from the article:

        1. Why don't the Chargers just pay for their own damn stadium?

        2. Who in the hell cuts Mark Davis' hair? Yeesh.
        My buddy just said the same thing! How do you have all that money and you look like your the stunt double on dumb and dumber.
        GO IRISH!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Black Irish View Post
          Two questions from the article:

          1. Why don't the Chargers just pay for their own damn stadium?

          2. Who in the hell cuts Mark Davis' hair? Yeesh.

          San Diego is a strange..strange place. It's a city but really just a town with a bunch of NIMBYs who oppose everything that costs money but does not benefit them.

          Put it this way, Irwin Jacobs (Qualcomm) wanted to put like $100M of his own money into a project for Balboa Park which is a centerpiece like Central Park in NYC but a small faction of NIMBYs blocked it because they thought it would take away from the view of a bridge...which is over an ugly expressway. He pretty much told the city to F Off after that and he and his wife would find other places to give away their Billions.

          It's a strange..strange place.

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          • #6
            No team is moving to LA. That market has yielded billions in blackmail. Why would the league ruin a good thing? Every team threatens that move before people agree libraries and schools are less important than companies paying for their own business facilities.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MNIrishman View Post
              No team is moving to LA. That market has yielded billions in blackmail. Why would the league ruin a good thing? Every team threatens that move before people agree libraries and schools are less important than companies paying for their own business facilities.
              I think the Rams are going to LA.

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              • #8
                Someone is definitely moving to LA sooner rather than later... I'm not sure it's a good or bad thing, but it's happening.
                This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MNIrishman View Post
                  No team is moving to LA. That market has yielded billions in blackmail. Why would the league ruin a good thing? Every team threatens that move before people agree libraries and schools are less important than companies paying for their own business facilities.
                  2 years ago I would have agreed but not today.

                  The number of teams that need new stadiums is a tiny fraction compared to 15 years ago. The blackmail game was real but that card is not what it used to be.

                  I think now, not having a team in LA is costing the NFL more money than the blackmail card.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dales5050 View Post

                    I think now, not having a team in LA is costing the NFL more money than the blackmail card.
                    Bingo.
                    They might get $400M out of St. Louis. Maybe a comparable sum out of Jacksonville eventually. But the number of cities willing to play that game is shrinking (Oakland just won't, and wake me up when San Diego actually posts the kind of cash they're talking about to keep the Chargers).
                    Meanwhile the NFL can make a boatload on PSLs and sponsorships in a fancy new stadium in LA, with the proceeds spread across the league through relocation fees. They get a high-profile franchise in the nation's second-biggest market. And if they have to, they can use St. Louis, or London, as the new blackmail city.
                    Someone will move to LA. Whether it's the Rams or the Chargers is probably really up to the owners at this point. But the Raiders aren't moving to San Diego. That makes no sense.

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                    • #11
                      This isn't so much a team wanting to be in LA as much as it is the NFL wanting a team in LA. They've been trying since the Rams left and for the life of me don't understand the reasoning. The Raiders couldn't make a profit so why would another team be able to? The competition for the entertainment dollar is probably the highest in the country. You have the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Kings, USC, UCLA a dozen other colleges in the general area, the beach, Disneyland, etc., etc.. Plus getting to a venue in LA is the most difficult in the country.

                      The NFL has done fine without being in LA.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                        This isn't so much a team wanting to be in LA as much as it is the NFL wanting a team in LA. They've been trying since the Rams left and for the life of me don't understand the reasoning. The Raiders couldn't make a profit so why would another team be able to? The competition for the entertainment dollar is probably the highest in the country. You have the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Kings, USC, UCLA a dozen other colleges in the general area, the beach, Disneyland, etc., etc.. Plus getting to a venue in LA is the most difficult in the country.

                        The NFL has done fine without being in LA.
                        Agreed... you also have the Ducks and Angels within sight of downtown and you have multiple other factors like the Fontana track and numerous resort communities within an hour drive... but yeah, the NFL seems to be dead set.
                        This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                        • #13
                          Fuck that noise, the Raiders need to stay in Oakland.
                          Hi!

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                          • #14
                            Can we change this thread title to "The Las Vegas Raiders"?

                            The Nevada Senate approved the bill to provide the public funding of $750 million for a new stadium 16-5. The vote from the NV House of Representatives is scheduled for tomorrow and is expected to meet the 2/3 majority required for a tax increase which is in the bill. The Governor will sign it - since he bothered to call a special session of the Legislature for this.

                            If all goes as planned tomorrow, the final step will be for the NFL owners to approve it with a 3/4 majority vote in Jan or Feb '17. My guess is this will happen and Oakland will not come up with as compelling a plan (to the commissioner's dismay) and the Raiders move in 2020.
                            Just cover, baby

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                            • #15
                              2020?? Hmmm, without reading too much into the details all I can think of is how bad the home games will get with THAT fan base if an impending is announced years before it goes down....
                              This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                              • #16
                                It is going to happen, the NFL isn't going great to turn down 750 million. Hopefully ND schedules a shamrock game in Vegas

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                                • #17
                                  will never get why/how the NFL and all their money get public tax dollars to pay for all these NFL stadiums.

                                  our priorities are upside down

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ND NYC View Post
                                    will never get why/how the NFL and all their money get public tax dollars to pay for all these NFL stadiums.

                                    our priorities are upside down
                                    Technically, it isn't the NFL that ever pays for anything to do with the teams and their stadiums. The franchises are all their own entity and have to come up with the moneys themselves to build a stadium. On top of that, public funds are used as a new stadium is seen as a public good that will promote job growth, housing, etc. This is especially true today as we see more stadiums being built within the cities again (exception being the 49ers), as a way to gentrify the neighborhoods around the stadium. We also know just how passionate people are about their sports. Fans don't want to see their team leave the city, and those in charge of the city don't want to be the administration that left the team walk.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ND NYC View Post
                                      will never get why/how the NFL and all their money get public tax dollars to pay for all these NFL stadiums.

                                      our priorities are upside down
                                      Agreed.

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                                      • #20
                                        NFL players probably already spend too much time in Vegas. This team is going to be coked out of its mind.
                                        "Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"

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                                        • #21
                                          They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by GowerND11 View Post
                                            Technically, it isn't the NFL that ever pays for anything to do with the teams and their stadiums. The franchises are all their own entity and have to come up with the moneys themselves to build a stadium. On top of that, public funds are used as a new stadium is seen as a public good that will promote job growth, housing, etc. This is especially true today as we see more stadiums being built within the cities again (exception being the 49ers), as a way to gentrify the neighborhoods around the stadium. We also know just how passionate people are about their sports. Fans don't want to see their team leave the city, and those in charge of the city don't want to be the administration that left the team walk.
                                            Perhaps not the greatest "investment" for taxpayers.

                                            https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illin...ires-stadiums/

                                            Tax dollars still paying off renovations on White Sox stadium - Chicago Tribune

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                                            • #23
                                              Oh absolutely. I took a class on Sports Geography in college and it discussed the building of stadiums with public money. Rarely do the taxpayers see the fruit of their burden so to speak. Especially true when many cannot enjoy the games in the new stadium due to the price of a ticket, parking, food, etc.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by GATTACA! View Post
                                                They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.
                                                "....and now for your halftime entertainment the Raiders' cheerleaders, who also perform nightly at the Barbary Coast just off the strip behind The World Famous Flamingo, proudly bring to you, their dance interpretation of the reign of Emperor Caligula."
                                                This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by GATTACA! View Post
                                                  They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.
                                                  The Las Vegas Rollers, sponsored by Zig Zag!

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Originally posted by GATTACA! View Post
                                                    They should rename them the strippers and have their logo be an aerial shot of the Las Vegas Strip.
                                                    Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


                                                    When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.

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                                                    • #27
                                                      Originally posted by BeauBenken View Post
                                                      NFL players probably already spend too much time in Vegas. This team is going to be coked out of its mind.
                                                      They'll be running a verrrryyy up-tempo offense.

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                                                      • #28
                                                        Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                                        Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


                                                        When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.
                                                        Couldn't you say that about every city?

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Seems odd to have a team there. Every game will look like a steelers road game.
                                                          Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                                            Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


                                                            When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.
                                                            Cue the stripper cheerleader scenes from "The Replacements" movie
                                                            Fan since Vagas Ferguson and Jerome Heavens!

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                                                            • #31
                                                              Originally posted by calvegas04 View Post
                                                              It is going to happen, the NFL isn't going great to turn down 750 million. Hopefully ND schedules a shamrock game in Vegas
                                                              You, my friend, get some reps!

                                                              I love that line of thinking
                                                              ...Can he play safety?

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                                                              • #32
                                                                Originally posted by IrishBroker View Post
                                                                You, my friend, get some reps!

                                                                I love that line of thinking
                                                                Would be great for recruiting and a cheap fun trip for the fan base

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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Originally posted by calvegas04 View Post
                                                                  Would be great for recruiting and a cheap fun trip for the fan base
                                                                  Except recruits would have to pay their way to Vegas...which isn't exactly "family friendly".
                                                                  "Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    Originally posted by BeauBenken View Post
                                                                    Except recruits would have to pay their way to Vegas...which isn't exactly "family friendly".
                                                                    Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Originally posted by calvegas04 View Post
                                                                      Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits
                                                                      or less...
                                                                      This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        Originally posted by calvegas04 View Post
                                                                        Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits
                                                                        That's fair.
                                                                        "Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"

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                                                                        • #37
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                                                                          Originally posted by BeauBenken View Post
                                                                          Except recruits would have to pay their way to Vegas...which isn't exactly "family friendly".


                                                                          Have you ever been? It's much more family friendly than people think.

                                                                          You had:

                                                                          1960's-1980's
                                                                          The Golden Age/Glory Years of Vegas

                                                                          1990's-2000's
                                                                          The horrendous push to make it a family vacation spot with roller coasters, shopping malls, water parks, Fremont Street becoming trendy, etc.

                                                                          2010's-present
                                                                          The renaissance to make it more for adults again

                                                                          *With that said, remnants of that awful era in the 90's are still there
                                                                          Last edited by IrishSteelhead; 10-13-2016, 03:47 PM.

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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Originally posted by IrishSteelhead View Post
                                                                            Have you ever been? It's much more family friendly than people think.

                                                                            You had:

                                                                            1960's-1980's
                                                                            The Golden Age/Glory Years of Vegas

                                                                            1990's-2000's
                                                                            The horrendous push to make it a family vacation spot

                                                                            2010's-present
                                                                            The renaissance to make it more for adults again

                                                                            *With that said, remnants of that awful era in the 90's are still there
                                                                            Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...
                                                                            This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                                            • #39
                                                                              Originally posted by ACamp1900 View Post
                                                                              Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...


                                                                              Well there's always that. Would be a hell of a place for Shamrock Series though. Guess you just don't invite your Mormon recruits to attend that weekend lol.

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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Originally posted by ACamp1900 View Post
                                                                                Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...
                                                                                Something for everyone in the family!!
                                                                                The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
                                                                                Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee

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                                                                                • #41
                                                                                  My first porn mag was one someone tossed out their window driving by my house. Every young man has to start somewhere.
                                                                                  #TeamKizer

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                                                                                  • #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by ACamp1900 View Post
                                                                                    Dude, if you walk the strip tonight you will still see about 100k (no hyperbole) smut flyers and photos just littered everywhere...
                                                                                    Its called the internet, Kids have seen it all these days.

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                                                                                    • #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Irish#1 View Post
                                                                                      Logo needs to be that iconic "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign or a stripper on a pole.


                                                                                      When it comes time to hold cheerleader tryouts, every strip club in town will be forced to close for a few hours, because every stripper in town will be trying out.
                                                                                      Oh man the welcome to las vegas sign as the logo is too perfect.

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                                                                                      • #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by scUM Hater View Post
                                                                                        Its called the internet, Kids have seen it all these days.
                                                                                        Not a freaking six year old!!!!!!! lol


                                                                                        (not my four year old and honestly not even my 13 year old,...yet... and no I'm not being naive...)


                                                                                        Not as though that would somehow make it all okay....
                                                                                        This sig will not change until The Browns win the Super Bowl... So get real used to it.

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                                                                                        • #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by calvegas04 View Post
                                                                                          Bishop Gorman, Southern Cal and Arizona all a 4 hour drive to Vegas, game would be full of recruits
                                                                                          This! Perfect geographic location to draw many top West Coast recruits. Plus, imagine the Fertitta tailgater spread.

                                                                                          Some good match up possibilities too.
                                                                                          BYU (despite what you might think, Mormans visit (and live in) Vegas a lot - especially when BYU or Utah play.
                                                                                          Air Force - Nellis AFB is local
                                                                                          Nevada
                                                                                          Arizona State
                                                                                          San Diego St.
                                                                                          Washington
                                                                                          UCLA
                                                                                          Utah
                                                                                          Just cover, baby

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                                                                                          • #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by IrishSteelhead View Post
                                                                                            Well there's always that. Would be a hell of a place for Shamrock Series though. Guess you just don't invite your Mormon recruits to attend that weekend lol.
                                                                                            Mormons LOVE Las Vegas

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                                                                                            • #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by calvegas04 View Post
                                                                                              Mormons LOVE Las Vegas


                                                                                              Was not aware. I'll change my post to a "Pentecostal" recruit.

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                                                                                              • #48
                                                                                                Vote just passed in NV, only thing left if for the NFL to vote on it in Jan or Feb

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