The boys of summer! (Baseball Thread)

[Rogue219]

Nick Castellanos got suspended two games for flexing on a pitcher that plunked him...

The pitcher got no reprimand, and Yadi got an 'undisclosed' fine.

I wish I could say I was surprised!

Their unwritten rules give new meaning to the word fossil.

Reds and Cardinals always seem to be involved in this sort of thing. The NL Central in general have a bunch of red ass teams in it.

[Dale]

Castellanos is getting the raw end for being the first scuffle of the year and being on a team that seems to get into it quite often (see Amir Garrett fight, David Bell lead league in ejections). Of course blaming Yadier Molina for everything to ever happen to the Reds is easier

[IrishLion]

Castellanos is getting the raw end for being the first scuffle of the year and being on a team that seems to get into it quite often (see Amir Garrett fight, David Bell lead league in ejections). Of course blaming Yadier Molina for everything to ever happen to the Reds is easier

BLAME YADI.

He's one of those dudes that I absolutely haaaaaaaaaaate... but I'd go to war for him if he played for Cincy lol. See also: Hines Ward.

Seriously, though, not even mad that it was the Cards/Yadi... it's that they're suspending Castellanos for flexing on a guy, even though he walked away and kept his hands to himself after the incident. But [any catcher] can bump the ump to join the fray, and the ump can get after him with contact, and that's not a problem? Baseball's unwritten rules can suck it.

Also presented as part of the Kangaroo Court: Castellanos got a heftier suspension than any of the Astros that cheated on the way to a world series ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[irishff1014]

Baseball is turning into the Democratic Party. A bunch of bitches. Tatis jr should get hit hard for that bat flip.

[mango4]

Baseball is turning into the Democratic Party. A bunch of bitches. Tatis jr should get hit hard for that bat flip.

Cry more over a bat flip. My god.

ETA: What bat flip from Tatis has you so upset? The one from yesterday? That wasn’t even a bat flip.

[IrishLion]

Baseball is turning into the Democratic Party. A bunch of bitches. Tatis jr should get hit hard for that bat flip.

The messages in this post are so conflicting lol

[nsisk157]

My Mets are in mid-season form. DeGrom throws 6 innings of shut out ball (77 pitches), gets pulled, and the pen gives up 5.

[GowerND11]

Baseball is turning into the Democratic Party. A bunch of bitches. Tatis jr should get hit hard for that bat flip.

Fucking hell man... You sound like one complaining about a bat flip. Let them have fun.

[Rogue219]

Baseball is turning into the Democratic Party. A bunch of bitches. Tatis jr should get hit hard for that bat flip.

Never has a post encapsulated a general mindset so completely.

[Irishize]

I love the young crop of stars right now & MLB must capitalize on them if they want to gain a wider audience...specifically the younger demo. Nike is trying some uniform gimmicks w/ the larger cities. I have no problem with it but I don’t think the future of MLB rests on the shoulders of artists at Nike. They need a younger Commissioner who is not so out of touch w/ both the fans & the players. I never thought it could get worse than Bud Selig, but Manfred is easily worse than him IMO.

[GowerND11]

I love the young crop of stars right now & MLB must capitalize on them if they want to gain a wider audience...specifically the younger demo. Nike is trying some uniform gimmicks w/ the larger cities. I have no problem with it but I don’t think the future of MLB rests on the shoulders of artists at Nike. They need a younger Commissioner who is not so out of touch w/ both the fans & the players. I never thought it could get worse than Bud Selig, but Manfred is easily worse than him IMO.

Manfred: "The fans will punish the Astros enough. We don't need to punish them, or strip them of their title."

Also Manfred: "Yeah, you can't flex when you get home, 2 game suspension."

[Irishize]

Manfred: "The fans will punish the Astros enough. We don't need to punish them, or strip them of their title."

Also Manfred: "Yeah, you can't flex when you get home, 2 game suspension."

One of many points to support his tone-deafness on every issue. The All-Star Game is just the latest. Had he actually read the law I don’t think he would’ve led w/ his grandstanding. I wouldn’t have a problem w/ him urging the city to have a conversation about the law but to be so ill-informed and then jump to moving the game from ATL to DENVER makes him look drunk. Even Mark Emmert wouldn’t have been so ill-advised/informed...and that’s saying something

[Cackalacky2.0]

Im confused.... should a man be free to flip his bat? If so should he be attacked for flipping his bat? If he flips his bat being a free man is he a bitch?

[NorthDakota]

Im confused.... should a man be free to flip his bat? If so should he be attacked for flipping his bat? If he flips his bat being a free man is he a bitch?

The unwritten rules of baseball always confuse me but its fun to watch the punishment of alleged violations.

[GowerND11]

One of many points to support his tone-deafness on every issue. The All-Star Game is just the latest. Had he actually read the law I don’t think he would’ve led w/ his grandstanding. I wouldn’t have a problem w/ him urging the city to have a conversation about the law but to be so ill-informed and then jump to moving the game from ATL to DENVER makes him look drunk. Even Mark Emmert wouldn’t have been so ill-advised/informed...and that’s saying something

I wouldn't mind if they moved the ASG because they actually took issue with the law. I have a problem with the grandstanding and caving in because of pressure on Twitter by many who probably don't even like baseball. People tried to do the same to the PGA Tour about the Masters this weekend. I'm all in favor of the leagues and players taking action about topics they believe in, but don't cave to pressure and be weak.

[mango4]

The unwritten rules of baseball always confuse me but its fun to watch the punishment of alleged violations.

I don't get why a batter has to get "punished" for being demonstrative after a big hit in a key situation but a pitcher can do the exact same thing after getting out of a jam and there's no "punishment" for him.

[NorthDakota]

I don't get why a batter has to get "punished" for being demonstrative after a big hit in a key situation but a pitcher can do the exact same thing after getting out of a jam and there's no "punishment" for him.

I guess it's a little harder to punish a pitcher. Only half of them take at-bats.

[mango4]

I guess it's a little harder to punish a pitcher. Only half of them take at-bats.

That's my point. Batters don't get to "punish" pitchers for celebrating, why do pitchers punish batter for doing the same thing they do?

[NorthDakota]

That's my point. Batters don't get to "punish" pitchers for celebrating, why do pitchers punish batter for doing the same thing they do?

The same reason big guys push nerds into lockers lol. Because they can and because its culturally accepted. Lol. Thats my theory anyway.

It is pretty funny in our softball league...when we play one team who has a douchebag pitcher, all our power hitters hit it up the middle at him for the same reason... he can't do anything about it and it's culturally accepted in the league to target douchebags.

[IrishLion]

I honestly don't even mind the players 'self-policing' based on the 'unwritten' rules. Plus, it seems like the current generation of young guys, both batters AND pitchers, know that it's okay to show a little emotion, anyway. The "my-feelings-are-hurt" and "gonna-bean-you-for-bat-flipping" snowflake shit is slowly going away.

What drives me nuts is the inconsistency with the MLB. Yadier Molina has a documented history of bumping (and spitting on) umpires, and is an instigator behind home plate at the slightest sign of disrespect... but he gets off with a light fine after bumping an umpire on his way to grabbing another player by the back of the neck (a player who was walking away, at that!).

Even if you think Catellanos deserved some retribution for flexing on a pitcher who hit him, and even if you think Castellanos deserved all of it for showboating a home run on opening day... none of it goes to explain Yadier Molina being bullet-proof in the eyes of the MLB. It's bananas!

[IrishLion]

The same reason big guys push nerds into lockers lol. Because they can and because its culturally accepted. Lol. Thats my theory anyway.

It is pretty funny in our softball league...when we play one team who has a douchebag pitcher, all our power hitters hit it up the middle at him for the same reason... he can't do anything about it and it's culturally accepted in the league to target douchebags.

We played in a co-ed league in college, and one of the teams was clearly the team full of douchebags. Their pitcher could hit the shit out of the ball, but he'd yell at all of the female players on his team, and in a super not-cool way. So we all started targeting him with rockets up the middle.

They changed the rule and made a liner back at the pitcher an automatic out lol.

[NorthDakota]

We played in a co-ed league in college, and one of the teams was clearly the team full of douchebags. Their pitcher could hit the shit out of the ball, but he'd yell at all of the female players on his team, and in a super not-cool way. So we all started targeting him with rockets up the middle.

They changed the rule and made a liner back at the pitcher an automatic out lol.

Normalize Hitting Rockets Up the Middle

[Rogue219]

My dad and uncles think "these guys need to make more contact and put the ball in play."

I saw a 93 MPH change up two nights ago. LOL. Ok. Make more contact. Sure.

The game should be fun and celebrated. Slowly but surely the old, crusty mindset of decades ago is starting to rot away. It's truly a good thing. Those longing for the past will seek their entertainment elsewhere. Baseball has not been celebrated here like it is in South America, the Carribean, Korea, Japan. These players are starting to come to MLB having earned their way here and they're playing the game like it is a celebration. It's catching on among younger, whiter Americans now too. The talent is fantastic overall though there are still some really bad teams that aren't really trying.

MLB and the NBA are the two best gigs going for me right now. That makes me the minority just about everywhere, including this message board, but so be it.

I think we need to get over the Astros and move on, too, for what's it worth. Same goes for steroids.

[mango4]

We played in a co-ed league in college, and one of the teams was clearly the team full of douchebags. Their pitcher could hit the shit out of the ball, but he'd yell at all of the female players on his team, and in a super not-cool way. So we all started targeting him with rockets up the middle.

They changed the rule and made a liner back at the pitcher an automatic out lol.

What? That's insane

[Rogue219]

I honestly don't even mind the players 'self-policing' based on the 'unwritten' rules. Plus, it seems like the current generation of young guys, both batters AND pitchers, know that it's okay to show a little emotion, anyway. The "my-feelings-are-hurt" and "gonna-bean-you-for-bat-flipping" snowflake shit is slowly going away.

What drives me nuts is the inconsistency with the MLB. Yadier Molina has a documented history of bumping (and spitting on) umpires, and is an instigator behind home plate at the slightest sign of disrespect... but he gets off with a light fine after bumping an umpire on his way to grabbing another player by the back of the neck (a player who was walking away, at that!).

Even if you think Catellanos deserved some retribution for flexing on a pitcher who hit him, and even if you think Castellanos deserved all of it for showboating a home run on opening day... none of it goes to explain Yadier Molina being bullet-proof in the eyes of the MLB. It's bananas!

I think the last of this kind of player is just about gone. It truly is for the best for everyone. The game, the fans, everyone. If I want to watch boxing or MMA, I'll do that. Baseball is the sport where two dude have beef and in order to sort it out all the relief pitchers need to come running out of the bullpen to sort the beef out.

Bores me to tears to see these pillow fights happen every so often.

[Crazy Balki]

Of all the things I expected to see this season, this definitely wasn't on that list. Pretty much everybody had written Rodon off and the fact that he managed to hold a spot in the rotation was seen as merely a placeholder until Kopech was ready.

Dude always had the stuff, but injury after injury after injury has basically kept him from realizing his potential.

And now he's part of baseball history.

Congrats on the no-hitter Carlos Rodon!

[Rogue219]

Such a fun team!

Thought Rodon was damaged goods for sure. What's even better is that Zack Collins caught the damn game for him, too. He'd been written off as a first baseman or DH. Rodon so far this year has looked very good when he's taken the mound. I would probably push his next start on Monday back a day or two after last night, which I'm sure is going to be an option.

White Sox had first round draft picks from 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2019 on the field for that no hitter last night. Great stuff.

[Rogue219]

Rockies GM Jeff Bridich has resigned. Trades Arenado, makes it 21 games into the season. Seems unusual. The Rockies are, however, fully vaccinated and appear to be the only MLB team to be so up to this point as far as anyone knows.

The Dodgers-Padres rivalry is very good fun.

Jacob deGrom is absolutely astounding.

[Dale]

Interesting case of baseball’s “unwritten rules” clashing with new rules. Cardinals hit on accident 2 guys yesterday including Bryce Harper. So bottom of the 9th 2 outs, Arenado is up, beamed on first pitch. Fine, fair, unwritten rules it was coming. BUT, because of that Tyler O’Neill strikes out and starts the bottom of the 10th at 2B. One of the fastest sprinters in baseball. Scores on a ground ball and wild pitch. Game over. Without hitting Arenado, he’s on 2B and there is chance Arenado can’t score on the wild pitch like O’Neill did.


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[Irishize]

Interesting case of baseball’s “unwritten rules” clashing with new rules. Cardinals hit on accident 2 guys yesterday including Bryce Harper. So bottom of the 9th 2 outs, Arenado is up, beamed on first pitch. Fine, fair, unwritten rules it was coming. BUT, because of that Tyler O’Neill strikes out and starts the bottom of the 10th at 2B. One of the fastest sprinters in baseball. Scores on a ground ball and wild pitch. Game over. Without hitting Arenado, he’s on 2B and there is chance Arenado can’t score on the wild pitch like O’Neill did.


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Wasn’t the Cards pitcher unable to find the zone and obviously having trouble w/ wildness but he had to stay in per the new rule to face a minimum 3 batters? Had STL been able to pull him, Harper doesn’t get hit in the face.

[Dale]

Wasn’t the Cards pitcher unable to find the zone and obviously having trouble w/ wildness but he had to stay in per the new rule to face a minimum 3 batters? Had STL been able to pull him, Harper doesn’t get hit in the face.

Harper was first and he hit first two so the HBPs were unavoidable but imagine hitter #3 McCutchen in the box? I’d be worried if I was him


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[Irishize]

Harper was first and he hit first two so the HBPs were unavoidable but imagine hitter #3 McCutchen in the box? I’d be worried if I was him


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Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. I may have misread/misheard but the overall point was that the Cards would’ve pulled the kid for wildness before he got as far as he did. Sometimes a pitcher just doesn’t have it.

[Irishize]

Who are your HOF locks among active players?

Mine: Trout, Pujols, Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, Molina

Who do you believe is on a HOF trajectory?

Mine: Harper, Betts, Freeman, Machado, Arenado, Cole, deGrom, Votto, Altuve, Cano*


*assuming the multiple PED infractions don’t cost him

[GowerND11]

Who are your HOF locks among active players?

Mine: Trout, Pujols, Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, Molina

Who do you believe is on a HOF trajectory?

Mine: Harper, Betts, Freeman, Machado, Arenado, Cole, deGrom, Votto, Altuve, Cano*


*assuming the multiple PED infractions don’t cost him

Maybe there's an argument for Jose Abreu.

I wish King Felix had a shot, but just not enough wins thanks to the terrible offenses the M's put out during his prime.

[Irishize]

Maybe there's an argument for Jose Abreu.

I wish King Felix had a shot, but just not enough wins thanks to the terrible offenses the M's put out during his prime.

Great point. I would put Abreu on a trajectory. If he can maintain through his prime & then be productive afterwards, he’ll be a legit candidate IMO.

Agree on Felix. I was hoping he’d revive his career w/ ATL but looks like he’s done.

[dublinirish]

[NDCrusader]

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