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  • Originally posted by NDRock View Post
    Iím cautiously optimistic. Tenuta and BVG were also supposed to bring havoc and turnovers. Still have some ptsd from those two.
    But we got those two ďbigĒ names on the downside of their career after the game had passed them by. Had ND hired Don Brown instead of Freeman, Iíd be worried about the same thing. Itís all timing.

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    • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
      But we got those two ďbigĒ names on the downside of their career after the game had passed them by. Had ND hired Don Brown instead of Freeman, Iíd be worried about the same thing. Itís all timing.
      I know and Iím really happy we got Freeman. Didnít feel the same about either Tenuta or BVG. Between Lea and Diaco, I have become more of a fan of having a conservative defense. Keep things in front, tackle well, and make the other team go on long, sustained drives.
      "The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood." - Lou Holtz

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      • Originally posted by Dale View Post
        Lea per Loy came through with a assist here
        As in he spoke with Freeman and encouraged him to take the ND job?

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        • Originally posted by Pops Freshenmeyer View Post
          As in he spoke with Freeman and encouraged him to take the ND job?
          Didnít say encouraged just positive phone call. Iíd guess LSU didnít have Bo to do the same lol

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          • I wonder if covid played any part in this decision? Covid will certainly impact spring ball and it is my opinion next season will be a version of this season.

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            • Fried Chicken talk moved here
              https://www.irishenvy.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=338776
              "From Chaos comes Clarity"

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              • Originally posted by Cackalacky2.0 View Post
                Bummer...those were some good chicken nuggets.

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                • Originally posted by Ndaccountant View Post
                  Bummer...those were some good chicken nuggets.
                  That's gold Jerry, gold.

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                  • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                    That's gold Jerry, gold.
                    Ovaltine!

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                    • Why Marcus Freeman is a home run hire for Notre Dame, and Cincinnati before that

                      Not sure how much I am allowed to quote from a paid sub, so I won't, but that is a good summary of why this is a great hire.

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                      • Originally posted by Huntr View Post
                        Why Marcus Freeman is a home run hire for Notre Dame, and Cincinnati before that

                        Not sure how much I am allowed to quote from a paid sub, so I won't, but that is a good summary of why this is a great hire.
                        Such a good article from Sampson. Freeman seems like a good dude, will be cool to follow his career in SB and post-SB.

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                        • anyone care to guess what kind of salary Freeman is on at ND and how it stacks up to other DC's in CFB?
                          What did Davonte do?

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                          • Originally posted by dublinirish View Post
                            anyone care to guess what kind of salary Freeman is on at ND and how it stacks up to other DC's in CFB?
                            If I had to guess, it's over $2M. Maybe around $2.5 for all we know, which would make him the highest paid coordinator. The $2M club is just a small handful of assistants.

                            I am only guessing that is how much he is making considering LSU throws stupid money around for assistants. They paid Pelini $2.3M and fired him after one year. I can't imagine what they were willing to pay Freeman. Rumor was $2.5M-4M...with the latter half of that being ludicrous since $2.5M is enough to make him the highest paid. That's what Kevin Steele at Auburn gets paid.

                            My guess? $2.2M. Same as Venables and a step up from Elko.
                            "Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"

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                            • Originally posted by BeauBenken View Post
                              If I had to guess, it's over $2M. Maybe around $2.5 for all we know, which would make him the highest paid coordinator. The $2M club is just a small handful of assistants.

                              I am only guessing that is how much he is making considering LSU throws stupid money around for assistants. They paid Pelini $2.3M and fired him after one year. I can't imagine what they were willing to pay Freeman. Rumor was $2.5M-4M...with the latter half of that being ludicrous since $2.5M is enough to make him the highest paid. That's what Kevin Steele at Auburn gets paid.

                              My guess? $2.2M. Same as Venables and a step up from Elko.
                              I think you are probably right on. LSU reportedly was offering Freeman 2.5 so ND must have come reasonably close to that.

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                              • Kelly calling Freeman back with ND's counter-offer:

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                                • Originally posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
                                  Kelly calling Freeman back with ND's counter-offer:

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                                  My Alabama friend when I tell him ND locked horns with LSU and won: "Oh shit..ND joining the arms race?"

                                  Perhaps now that ND has proven pretty consistently they can get to the big show, some of the high rollers have decided they'd like to win it lmaoo
                                  Based Mullet Kid owns

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                                  • Originally posted by NDRock View Post
                                    Iím cautiously optimistic. Tenuta and BVG were also supposed to bring havoc and turnovers. Still have some ptsd from those two.
                                    Kelly didn't hire Tenuta, thus he's buried way back in my memory bank when it comes to football.

                                    I think for the most part Kelly has gotten it right other than BVG, and like a lot of mistakes and or disasters, it may end up being the best thing that could have happened. He self audited and hired Elko. Elko brought Lea with him and he then hired Lea when Elko left.

                                    Now he goes out and hires THE guy who was on the market. At 34 years old Freeman has interviewed with NFL teams already for open positions and interviewed with LSU who were just National Champions last year.

                                    Any reservations about Freeman should have absolutely nothing to do with anyone who proceeded him as DC. I think back to the game plan he dialed up vs UCF last year in 2019 and have high optimism for that in and of itself in addition to how UC performed this year.

                                    Sampson and Fortuna talked on their podcast about how Freeman likes to throw out curveballs every now and again. They mentioned that UCF game and how he came out in a 3-3-5 for the first time that year, and stuck with it mostly ever since. He isn't necessarily bound by a particular scheme. He just prepares for the upcoming game and wants his guys to play fast and not overthink.

                                    It was funny that Fickell and Freeman first inheirited Tommy Tuberville's players upon arrival at UC. Freeman could be ND's HC in waiting or perhaps a future Senator in Ohio. Who knows these days.
                                    It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                    • SIAP, but this is a must-read article about Freeman's defense, why it shifted towards the 3-3-5 approach, and why it is so successful:

                                      (HINT: We need lockdown CB's if we want to see Kyle Hamilton win the Heisman as a defensive player)

                                      https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...dinator-scheme

                                      If you’ve followed college football for the last few seasons, you know about the “3 Safety” defense that’s en vogue. No, that’s not just “Big Nickel” personnel—that’s a whole new defensive structure. Known best for pushing Matt Campbell’s Iowa State program into BIg 12 relevance, a similar three-down, three-high structure was featured by Brett Venables’ Clemson defense in last season’s playoff. Baylor, like most of the Big 12, copied Iowa State’s three-down, 3 Safety approach to handle dynamic Air Raid offenses—and Phil Snow did it so well, Matt Rhule brought him along to Carolina, where Snow began installing that defense in the NFL.

                                      There are differences in all of these approaches. Clemson, Baylor, and Iowa State would change the number of their down linemen, the depth of their safeties, and their pre-snap disguises to fit their particular needs and their particular athletes. That’s what good defensive coordinators do.

                                      But there remains a family resemblance, if not evident in the structure, then evident in the philosophy behind the approaches. No matter the details, the fundamental value of three-high structures remained: Low box counts encouraged quarterbacks to hand the ball off, but two-gapping defensive linemen and aggressive linebackers forced running backs to take wide, time-consuming paths outside of the box—where those safeties were ready to close downhill and make tackles in space. Common throwing windows in three-receiver sets or isolated backside receivers suddenly fell to number disadvantages, as the outside safeties on the hashes denied slants and glances. Drop 8 coverages suffocated the space in which the Air Raid offensive thrives, creating tight window throws ripe for PBUs and interceptions.

                                      This defense represented the cutting edge of college football X’s and O’s and will continue to remain at the forefront of innovation. But the next wave started in Cincinnati, Ohio and is coming to South Bend, Indiana, where Bearcat defensive coordinator Marcus Freeman was just hired for the same job at Notre Dame.

                                      Freeman’s defense has been a revelation for the Bearcats. They were second in EPA/play allowed this season (only behind Wisconsin) and fourth in success rate, all while playing a full AAC schedule and Georgia in the Peach Bowl. They did it all without a 4-star on the defensive depth chart, let alone a 5-star.

                                      And they did it with three safeties on the field.

                                      Well, wait. Not like that. Like this.

                                      Even though the Iowa State defense isn’t putting numbers where we expect them to, the levels of the defense are still distinct. There are clearly down defensive linemen, linebackers, and then defensive backs.

                                      Cincinnati’s defensive levels are all out of whack. This is the point.

                                      There’s the mug linebacker in the B-gap, not on the line of scrimmage, but not off of it either. There’s a traditional linebacker, then a deeper linebacker/overhang player in no man’s land. There’s a boundary safety playing low at the sticks and a deep safety skewed toward the two-receiver side.

                                      That these players are in these weird spots isn’t even the best part. Who they are is even more exciting. The Bearcats had a 5-foot-10, 205-pound Jarell White at the overhang; a 6-foot-1, 210-pound Bryan Cook as the low safety; and a 6-foot, 200-pound Darrick Forest at deep safety. Those are safety body types—and there are three of them on the field.

                                      And at the snap, they fly.

                                      Freeman’s defense contests everything. They blitz, they spin, they rush gaps, they twist and stunt. They don’t want to limit big plays by dropping their three safeties deep—they want to use them to create TFLs, hurry throws, hit quarterbacks, and generate turnovers.

                                      We can see the immediate difference in how Cincinnati defends the run. Unlike the three-down approaches from Iowa State and Baylor, which want to use two-gapping defensive linemen to dominate the A- and B-gaps and force running backs outside of the tackle box, Cincinnati wants to use their undersized and speedy defenders to punish runners that try to get outside of the tackle box.

                                      These overhang defenders play on the fringe of the box to serve as outside contain, while playing with depth to potentially rotate to deep coverage at any time. Meanwhile, the Bearcats typically play with at least one linebacker mugged into the line of scrimmage, changing their front from a three-man to a four-man surface, but obscuring from the offensive line the identity of their fourth defensive lineman until the final second. The Bearcats rarely two-gap, as you must do in the traditional 3 Safety approach—instead they slant with their interior defensive line to penetrate against pullers and generate confusion against zone.

                                      With a mug linebacker stepping into the line, the Bearcats’ overhang comes free right up the gut against zone flow.

                                      The threat of the mug linebacker creates the opportunities for run blitzes from the overhang defenders. Freeman loves to bring the weak overhang defender because he isn’t too worried about routes from the isolated X receiver when he has a man coverage specialist like Ahmad “Sauce” Gardner to eliminate opponents in press coverage. The Bearcats can then work their linebackers and overhangs back to the weak side to account for the lost number, as the strongside defensive end now has outside contain.

                                      Notre Dame fans will immediately see how players like Kyle Hamilton can be utilized in this approach. At 6-foot-4 and 215 pounds, Hamilton’s ability to fill intermediate zones, play with speed into the boundary, and wreak havoc on blitzes will be unlike anything we’ve seen in a Freeman defense.

                                      The aggressive slanting of the defensive line on these rotations can solve the problem altogether by freeing up the defensive line. The Bearcats have a tremendous “Big End” in Elijah Ponder, a 6-foot-3, 275-pound defensive lineman who can leap across multiple gaps at the snap and fight power with power in the trenches. Ponder and potential top-50 pick in 2022 Myjai Sanders dominate interior gaps when they catch offensive linemen by surprise, creating immediate TFL opportunities.

                                      Against different offenses, Cincinnati will bounce that defensive front from the base Tite front to a bear front, a 2-4-5 look, and a true over front—whatever it takes to get heads in gaps and players in the backfield.

                                      The Bearcats play with three down linemen, but they end up with four line-of-scrimmage defenders against most rushing attacks—and with at least one off-ball linebacker free to chase flow and aggressive overhangs crashing down against QB keeps or quick stretch action, there was no more effective “funnel” than the one that belonged to Marcus Freeman’s Bearcats this season. They rarely got outflanked, and if they were beaten, they were simply outmuscled—and even that was a tough task, despite the smaller athletes they fielded. The team obsessed over tackling and lionized rallying effort—they had to in order to survive as such an undersized run defense, and survive they did. They were 41st in rushing EPA allowed, 40th in success rate allowed, and ninth in rushing explosive rate.

                                      Against the pass? First in EPA allowed. Second in success rate. Twelfth in explosive rate.

                                      Now that’s the goods.

                                      With an extra coverage body on the field at all times and only three hand-in-dirt defensive linemen as their base structure, Freeman’s defense enjoys the same luxury that the 3 Safety defense does: at any time they can run Drop 8 and flummox Air Raid approaches. Freeman’s defense also has plenty of two-high coverages in his playbook that he can use to match routes, help support his outside corners, and keep numbers over both sides of the formation. All similar advantages to the 3 Safety approach.

                                      But that’s not what Freeman wants to do; it’s not what he wants to be. He doesn’t want to offer free releases to outside receivers with corners lined up off the ball. He doesn’t want to lose a potential box defender by putting him on a deep zone drop or letting him play in conflicting run/pass reads. He wants to attack.

                                      So he does. The Bearcats run single-high coverages a stunning 68% of the time—that’s an NFL-like number. Even more impressive is how little they disguise their intentions: more than 50% of their total snaps showed a single-high safety and then played a single-high coverage: Cover 1 or Cover 3.

                                      This is an NFL-like approach because it requires NFL-caliber play from your outside cornerbacks. They must line up in press coverage and win on vertical routes without much safety help—especially so under Freeman, who lets his deep safety play aggressively downhill to support his overhangs. There are no sneaky scheme shenanigans or clever numbers manipulations here. Freeman needs players who win.

                                      In Cincinnati, he got them into the building and he developed them. Key players on 2020’s defense are still holdovers from the Tommy Tuberville recruiting era: 2-star Elijah Ponder, star safety James Wiggins (3-star), and 3-star linebacker Joel Dublanko all play key roles on Freeman’s defense, and Ponder and Wiggins have both evolved into NFL-caliber players under his eye. To the existing roster, Fickell and Freeman prioritized “Hometown Heroes” and attacked the Cincinnati area over the last four years, delivering the highest-ranked recruiting class in Bearcat history in 2020—then doing it again in 2021. Only 31 years old when he took the Cincinnati job and 10 years removed from his own recruiting process, Freeman’s ability to connect with players is the difference. When 4-star linebacker and Florida native Melvin Jordan flipped from Florida State to Cincinnati earlier this year, he cited Freeman’s passion and understanding as the reason why he switched.

                                      Freeman will cast his recruiting net wider at Notre Dame and have more opportunities to flip top Florida, Alabama, and California products—but staying in the Midwest mattered to him, and the recruiting foothold Freeman has there remains a key part of his identity and approach.

                                      No scheme solves every problem, so no rising star of a coach can be just a chalkboard guy. Freeman’s success at Notre Dame, if it can be boiled down to one tipping point, will ride on his ability to recruit and develop cornerbacks who can win on the outside in isolated man coverage; safeties who can do the same in the slot. While Notre Dame certainly has the pedigree of a blue-chip school, the recruiting disparity of recent season glares when the Irish face off against perennial contenders such as Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, and Michigan. Since 2016, the Irish’s recruiting classes have ranked 10th, 10th, 15th, 18th, and ninth in the nation. But those are rookie numbers in this championship-contending racket, and Freeman’s arrival in South Bend comes with the belief that he can pump those numbers up.

                                      There is perhaps no more promising and exciting young coach in college football than Freeman—both for the players he brings to your program and the way he gets them on the field. The demand for Freeman reflects that, but the patience he showed in waiting for the right job reflects his understanding of his situation. If he does this right, he has a chance to be the head coach of a Power 5 program—maybe even the one in Notre Dame—before he turns 40 years old. It would be an astounding achievement, but an appropriate one for a coach and person of his caliber.

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                                      • Thats a scary tipping point to bet on. If that was the case I could see why LSU would have been far more attractive than ND. Recruiting one on one level corners isnt exactly our calling card.
                                        Prehistoric

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                                        • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                                          Thats a scary tipping point to bet on. If that was the case I could see why LSU would have been far more attractive than ND. Recruiting one on one level corners isnt exactly our calling card.
                                          The good news is that Freeman is a great recruiter, a great identifier of talent and developmental prospects, AND he's worked in tandem on all of that with Mickens previously.

                                          No one predicted Sauce Gardner being one of the best cornerbacks in the country, let alone as an under-recruited true freshman, and yet he was one of PFF's highest-graded CB's two years ago. Identified by Freeman and Mickens, developed by Freeman and Mickens.

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                                          • The key to CB recruiting is to recruit a bunch of athletic 5'11" to 6'1" WRs and teach them to play corner.

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                                            • Originally posted by NDdomer2 View Post
                                              Thats a scary tipping point to bet on. If that was the case I could see why LSU would have been far more attractive than ND. Recruiting one on one level corners isnt exactly our calling card.
                                              But could you imagine if Freeman can do it? I'd like to find out.

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                                              • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                The key to CB recruiting is to recruit a bunch of athletic 5'11" to 6'1" WRs and teach them to play corner.
                                                That's the problem. None of them want to play defense.

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                                                • Originally posted by InKellyWeTrust View Post
                                                  But could you imagine if Freeman can do it? I'd like to find out.
                                                  I want to see it happen to. I just hope he has some built in scheme adjustments to tailor to us maybe not having those guys right off the bat.
                                                  Prehistoric

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                                                  • Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
                                                    The good news is that Freeman is a great recruiter, a great identifier of talent and developmental prospects, AND he's worked in tandem on all of that with Mickens previously.

                                                    No one predicted Sauce Gardner being one of the best cornerbacks in the country, let alone as an under-recruited true freshman, and yet he was one of PFF's highest-graded CB's two years ago. Identified by Freeman and Mickens, developed by Freeman and Mickens.
                                                    It will interesting to see what Mickens and Freeman can do with some of these young DB's with a full offseason.

                                                    Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                    The key to CB recruiting is to recruit a bunch of athletic 5'11" to 6'1" WRs and teach them to play corner.
                                                    Jojo Johnson, Chance Tucker, and Ramon Henderson are all legit fast track guys that played both ways in HS. You could also add a guy like Cam Hart to that mix as he was a two way player, initially recruited as a WR. He just doesn't have that track speed pedigree of the others.

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                                                    • Wonder how many CBs are in the portal that are good man up.
                                                      I used to be D-BOE34 but I can't login for some reason. Will someone donate some vBucks?

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                                                      • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                        The key to CB recruiting is to recruit a bunch of athletic 5'11" to 6'1" WRs and teach them to play corner.
                                                        Or running backs.

                                                        Kevaire Russell comes to mind right off the bat. I think you see this at the G5 schools and FCS schools out of necessity more than Power Five, but it doesn't mean it can't be done.
                                                        It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.

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                                                        • And until the results are consistent, I'd also like to see us recruit to a larger number of CB's. Meaning, expect to have a larger portion of the 85 man limit dedicated to DB's.

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                                                          • CB recruiting probably has one of the lowest hit rates for everyone in CFB. It’s become incredibly hard as offenses get more difficult and WRs better. Physical talent can’t keep up in CBs they way say a DE with a OT. Put it this way, Shaun Wade will be a first round pick and probably gets smoked again tonight. Just a incredibly volatile and increasingly difficult position

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                                                            • It was reported by many than Freeman informed his players at Cincy that he would be leaving for the LSU job. Then ND contacted him & flipped him. Does that mean they waited until after his LSU interview to offer him the job? I wonder b/c I still don’t see ND getting in a bidding war. Not b/c they can’t afford it but they seem so concerned w/ “setting precedent” on future hires.

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                                                              • Originally posted by Irishize View Post
                                                                It was reported by many than Freeman informed his players at Cincy that he would be leaving for the LSU job. Then ND contacted him & flipped him. Does that mean they waited until after his LSU interview to offer him the job? I wonder b/c I still donít see ND getting in a bidding war. Not b/c they canít afford it but they seem so concerned w/ ďsetting precedentĒ on future hires.
                                                                The Football Scoop report has been debunked by 247 UC, ND and LSU sites I believe. Still a good story lol.

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                                                                • Here's a good read from Jamie U at ISD.

                                                                  https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/14029...dapt-and-excel

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                                                                  • Originally posted by Dale View Post
                                                                    CB recruiting probably has one of the lowest hit rates for everyone in CFB. Itís become incredibly hard as offenses get more difficult and WRs better. Physical talent canít keep up in CBs they way say a DE with a OT. Put it this way, Shaun Wade will be a first round pick and probably gets smoked again tonight. Just a incredibly volatile and increasingly difficult position
                                                                    I think the talking heads are trending Wade down. I am pretty sure I heard/read one of them opine on his difficulties when he isn't in the slot. That stuff is all way over my head though.
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                                                                    • Originally posted by Rogue219 View Post
                                                                      Or running backs.

                                                                      Kevaire Russell comes to mind right off the bat. I think you see this at the G5 schools and FCS schools out of necessity more than Power Five, but it doesn't mean it can't be done.
                                                                      Yup! Also, RBs with good hips or dual threat QBs from HS.

                                                                      Bottom line is that short of a couple true 5-star corners there are simply no guarantees in CB recruiting. You need to recruit a ton of numbers and then coach them to play the position and see who sticks. Most of the athletes with the requisite athleticism to play the position are offensive players in HS.

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                                                                      • FWIW, everyone's favorite (Driskell) is reporting that Freeman might be able to convince Griffith to stay now that Joseph is gone. Take it with a grain of salt...

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                                                                        • Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
                                                                          FWIW, everyone's favorite (Driskell) is reporting that Freeman might be able to convince Griffith to stay now that Joseph is gone. Take it with a grain of salt...

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                                                                          Driskell is the new Loy.

                                                                          There, I've said it.

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                                                                          • Originally posted by IrishLax View Post
                                                                            Yup! Also, RBs with good hips or dual threat QBs from HS.

                                                                            Bottom line is that short of a couple true 5-star corners there are simply no guarantees in CB recruiting. You need to recruit a ton of numbers and then coach them to play the position and see who sticks. Most of the athletes with the requisite athleticism to play the position are offensive players in HS.
                                                                            This is why I still hold on to [unreasonable?] hope that Cam Hart is going to be an animal at CB when they give him an extended shot.

                                                                            Smooth WR athleticism, naturally good hips, great size for a CB at 6-2... hoping Mickens uses a full spring session to springboard the development of a couple of guys.

                                                                            Hart and Henderson both taking off would be the dream, based on size/athleticism combos.

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                                                                            • Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
                                                                              FWIW, everyone's favorite (Driskell) is reporting that Freeman might be able to convince Griffith to stay now that Joseph is gone. Take it with a grain of salt...

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                                                                              It's not just Driskell. Griffith may be a kid who can be convinced to return.
                                                                              "Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"

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                                                                              • Originally posted by ulukinatme View Post
                                                                                Driskell is the new Loy.

                                                                                There, I've said it.
                                                                                Nah. Tom has gotten much better. IMO. They are no ISD, but Tom is no Driskell.

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                                                                                • Originally posted by BeauBenken View Post
                                                                                  It's not just Driskell. Griffith may be a kid who can be convinced to return.
                                                                                  So Allen and Griffith both had problems with Joseph?

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                                                                                  • Originally posted by ThePiombino View Post
                                                                                    FWIW, everyone's favorite (Driskell) is reporting that Freeman might be able to convince Griffith to stay now that Joseph is gone. Take it with a grain of salt...

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                                                                                    I noticed when I looked yesterday that Freeman followed Griffith. I thought maybe he was just following all the players, but he was one of only a few players he followed to that point.

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                                                                                    • Originally posted by ab2cmiller View Post
                                                                                      So Allen and Griffith both had problems with Joseph?

                                                                                      I don't think it's necessarily problems with Joseph, but Griffith may be someone who needs a fresh start and now that there is a new DC and scheme, maybe he doesn't need to leave to find that now.
                                                                                      "Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's *** by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather take his word for it?"

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                                                                                      • Can he convince Derrick Allen to come back too??

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                                                                                        • Would like Jack Lamb as well. He would be a perfect outside LB in a 3-3-5 scheme

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                                                                                          • Originally posted by IrishLion View Post
                                                                                            This is why I still hold on to [unreasonable?] hope that Cam Hart is going to be an animal at CB when they give him an extended shot.

                                                                                            Smooth WR athleticism, naturally good hips, great size for a CB at 6-2... hoping Mickens uses a full spring session to springboard the development of a couple of guys.

                                                                                            Hart and Henderson both taking off would be the dream, based on size/athleticism combos.
                                                                                            I don’t think it’s unreasonable until he gets a full camp as the guy, to see what he can do with it. It’s always sounded like BK and staff were forcing reps on him because they liked what they saw. He’s a guy that I think could do really well under Freeman. Because if he doesn’t have it at CB, maybe he can flourish as one of the S or overhang defenders.
                                                                                            Last edited by Luckylucci; 01-11-2021, 09:53 PM.

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                                                                                            • Originally posted by Dale View Post
                                                                                              The Football Scoop report has been debunked by 247 UC, ND and LSU sites I believe. Still a good story lol.
                                                                                              Ahh. Thank you for the clarification. I had not heard that. Listened to The Shamrock today and there was no mention of it.

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                                                                                              • I don’t want to take anything away from Lea because he was an amazing DC, but I can’t remember being this excited over a coaching hire ever. Would love to see another haul like Lynch, Tuitt, and Ishaq with Freeman, just spread it out over the position groups. Gotta have Dudes to win big games. The Bama game 11 days ago and today proves that. Anxious to see where we can go with this home run hire!

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                                                                                                • Originally posted by yankeeND View Post
                                                                                                  I donít want to take anything away from Lea because he was an amazing DC, but I canít remember being this excited over a coaching hire ever. Would love to see another haul like Lynch, Tuitt, and Ishaq with Freeman, just spread it out over the position groups. Gotta have Dudes to win big games. The Bama game 11 days ago and today proves that. Anxious to see where we can go with this home run hire!
                                                                                                  Iím sorry but I really hope we donít sign 3 guys like that. Only 1 of those dudes won anything for ND. Hopefully we sign the next Okwara, Hayes, Kareem, and Ade.

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                                                                                                  • For real. That 2016 haul >>>> the 2011 one

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                                                                                                    • Originally posted by Luckylucci View Post
                                                                                                      Iím sorry but I really hope we donít sign 3 guys like that. Only 1 of those dudes won anything for ND. Hopefully we sign the next Okwara, Hayes, Kareem, and Ade.
                                                                                                      Oh I definitely donít want those personalities, but more the profile.

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